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Actually, that video was shot in May, as I recall. Not that four months makes much difference; Romney is still fucking doomed.Flagg wrote:A video from 14 years ago that's totally discredited by Obama's 8 years of public service vs a video from last week where a guy clearly states what he wants to do and how he views anyone who won't vote for him? Yeah Mitt, that's gonna work.
I just don't believe it. Not yet anyway. He can turn this around by continuing to gin up the race based welfare lies. Will it be enough for him to win is the real question. I think it could be with the voter suppression in swing states along with getting the GOP base out, assuming any of them are still fired up by November, which they could be if Romney gets them into frothing at the mouth "Git that n*****!" mode.Dalton wrote:Romney is still fucking doomed.Flagg wrote:A video from 14 years ago that's totally discredited by Obama's 8 years of public service vs a video from last week where a guy clearly states what he wants to do and how he views anyone who won't vote for him? Yeah Mitt, that's gonna work.
Its not your lack of faith in the American electorate that I find so grating. It is the almost constant sense of DOOM™ and "Romney campaign is going to unleash DOOM™ strategy, which will DOOM™ Obama!"Lord MJ wrote:I wont apologize for my lack of faith in the American electorate.I mean we got the Tea Party into Congress in 2010 after all.
Obama just started capping 50% in national polls, and the Romney campaign is taking a steaming dump that's a month premature. I'm not that worried.Flagg wrote:I just don't believe it. Not yet anyway. He can turn this around by continuing to gin up the race based welfare lies. Will it be enough for him to win is the real question. I think it could be with the voter suppression in swing states along with getting the GOP base out, assuming any of them are still fired up by November, which they could be if Romney gets them into frothing at the mouth "Git that n*****!" mode.Dalton wrote:Romney is still fucking doomed.Flagg wrote:A video from 14 years ago that's totally discredited by Obama's 8 years of public service vs a video from last week where a guy clearly states what he wants to do and how he views anyone who won't vote for him? Yeah Mitt, that's gonna work.
Yeah, the Romney campaign tried to "reboot" itself on Monday and that got swept aside in the shitstorm that came from this video being leaked. It really looks like he's circling the drain. As long as Obama doesn't somehow look like the secret Muslim socialist the Right likes to paint him as in the debates he should be fine.Dalton wrote:Obama just started capping 50% in national polls, and the Romney campaign is taking a steaming dump that's a month premature. I'm not that worried.Flagg wrote:I just don't believe it. Not yet anyway. He can turn this around by continuing to gin up the race based welfare lies. Will it be enough for him to win is the real question. I think it could be with the voter suppression in swing states along with getting the GOP base out, assuming any of them are still fired up by November, which they could be if Romney gets them into frothing at the mouth "Git that n*****!" mode.Dalton wrote: Romney is still fucking doomed.
They began shifting off the economy message to go for a broader-scope attack, and that video came at the exact right time to slam them into full spin mode...which isn't exactly working well, as Mitt has apparently doubled-down on those comments in the public sphere, from what I recall. Fuck, his chief strategist is apparently quite loathed even within the campaign itself. It's quite interesting to see, in a trainwreck sense.Block wrote:Yeah, the Romney campaign tried to "reboot" itself on Monday and that got swept aside in the shitstorm that came from this video being leaked. It really looks like he's circling the drain. As long as Obama doesn't somehow look like the secret Muslim socialist the Right likes to paint him as in the debates he should be fine.
I think you answered your own question here. Kerry's campaign didn't self-destruct the way that McCain's did and Romney's seems to be going but it did fail to present Kerry as a desirable candidate and did a horrible time of countering the swiftboaters, flip-flopper and other things which is a pretty damning failure of a campaign.Block wrote:Did Kerry's campaign really come apart? Wasn't it torpedoed by some of the vilest attacks yet seen and a refusal to hit back?
There was some careful omissions by the Romney campaign concerning that video:Flagg wrote:A video from 14 years ago that's totally discredited by Obama's 8 years of public service vs a video from last week where a guy clearly states what he wants to do and how he views anyone who won't vote for him? Yeah Mitt, that's gonna work.
Anyway, I can't see a video this old being as effective as what Romney said just a relatively short time ago (especially at a fund-raiser).In rest of '98 clip, Obama speaks of 'competition' and 'the marketplace'
By Michael O'Brien, NBC News
Updated 11:29 p.m. — Mitt Romney's campaign this week has pounced on a 14-year-old clip of Obama speaking about "redistribution" in October 1998 at a conference in Chicago, in which the future president seems to extol the virtues of redistributing wealth.
Yet NBC News has obtained the entirety of the relevant remarks, which includes additional comments by Obama that weren't included in the video circulated by Republicans. That omission features additional words of praise for "competition" and the "marketplace" by the then-state senator.
In the whole clip, Obama says:
I think the trick is figuring out how do we structure government systems that pool resources and hence facilitate some redistribution because I actually believe in redistribution, at least at a certain level to make sure that everybody's got a shot. How do we pool resources at the same time as we decentralize delivery systems in ways that both foster competition, can work in the marketplace, and can foster innovation at the local level and can be tailored to particular communities.
Obama continues in a few words after that to describe the use of tax credits in setting public housing development policy in Chicago as an example before concluding.
The video circulated by Republicans, which has used as fodder for an attack on Obama, includes a longer reflection by Obama about talking about how government action can be effective. But the clip has been cut short after the word "shot;" Obama's words about competition, the marketplace and innovation are omitted from the clip.
Romney has nonetheless seized upon this clip as his campaign looks to regain its footing after the release of a surreptitiously-recorded video of the GOP presidential nominee speaking at a private fundraiser in May. Romney's campaign has been bogged down in criticism from conservatives and Democrats alike since the release of the clip, in which Romney talks about how he couldn't count on the support of 47 percent of Americans, since they pay no taxes, and are "dependent" on government.
The Republican candidate has used it as campaign fodder as recently as Wednesday.
"This is how America works. It does not work by a government saying, become dependent on government. Become dependent upon redistribution. That will kill the American entrepreneurship that’s lifted our economy over the years," Romney told donors at a fundraiser this afternoon in Atlanta. "The question of this campaign is not who cares about the poor and the middle class? I do. He does. The question is who can help the poor and the middle class? I can! He can’t!"
That was the first election I have ever not voted for someone in. Yeah, the Kerry campaign came across as weak and ineffectual. I wasn't going to vote for Bush, but couldn't bring myself to pull the lever for that tool either.Dark Hellion wrote:I think you answered your own question here. Kerry's campaign didn't self-destruct the way that McCain's did and Romney's seems to be going but it did fail to present Kerry as a desirable candidate and did a horrible time of countering the swiftboaters, flip-flopper and other things which is a pretty damning failure of a campaign.Block wrote:Did Kerry's campaign really come apart? Wasn't it torpedoed by some of the vilest attacks yet seen and a refusal to hit back?
I can understand your annoyance at doomsaying. On the other hand, I find that people in Democratic circles seem to be doing an awful lot of self-congratulation right now, and I am a firm believer that he who counts his chickens before they're hatched is a fool. The time for triumphalism is after one has already triumphed. All these stupid "picture memes" going around Facebook calling Mitt Romney's campaign a failure only breed a dangerous sense of confidence.D.Turtle wrote:Its not your lack of faith in the American electorate that I find so grating. It is the almost constant sense of DOOM™ and "Romney campaign is going to unleash DOOM™ strategy, which will DOOM™ Obama!"Lord MJ wrote:I wont apologize for my lack of faith in the American electorate.
Cutting down on the DOOM™, would be enough. All the campaign minutiae can still be interesting (and highly entertaining, and might actually have some effect on the result), and I have no problem with bringing that out. But the constant sense of DOOM™ is just ...
Oh: DOOM™
About the undecideds: The number of truly undecided people is tiny (less than 2% in some polls). This election is going to be decided by turnout of ones (strong and weak) supporters (and the turned out vote being counted), and not on convincing undecideds.
I don't think Obama has the election in the bag. He currently has a small advantage, but thats it. I hate the implied hyper-competence of Republicans that shines through in most of MJ'S posts about the election. They are simply humans, with all that entails.Darth Wong wrote:I can understand your annoyance at doomsaying. On the other hand, I find that people in Democratic circles seem to be doing an awful lot of self-congratulation right now, and I am a firm believer that he who counts his chickens before they're hatched is a fool. The time for triumphalism is after one has already triumphed. All these stupid "picture memes" going around Facebook calling Mitt Romney's campaign a failure only breed a dangerous sense of confidence.
Both.Crossroads Inc. wrote:Which is more sad... That this was a "mistake" and no one bothered to fix it before he went out.
Or, that he ACTUALLY Made himself look darker to somehow try to appeal to Latinos?
The Daily Show took this and knocked it out of the park last night.Max wrote:You only vote for Obama if you don't pay income taxes and feel you're entitled to everything
Here's hoping this bites him in the ass somehow, but people who vote for Romney (for the most part, not all) probably already feel this way. My dislike for this man has reached a low I didn't think was possible...
