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Sure, that's cool. And by cool, I mean fucking ridiculous.

Once again, I'll leave it where I left it. While your description sounds very nice, it is also overpowered. No matter the semantics, you still have a WMD which requires water and can be transported without detection.

Oh, and theatre shields can hold off the firepower of a dozen Imperial warships including a SSD, and that's sure as hell not focused "over the surface of a planet." Remember Hoth?

Thirdfain wrote:
Oh, and theatre shields can hold off the firepower of a dozen Imperial warships including a SSD, and that's sure as hell not focused "over the surface of a planet." Remember Hoth?

A blast this big would melt its way under the shield perimeter and cause massive shock damage regardless of that. The Empire couldn't do that at Hoth because of the whole take prisoner's requirement.

This is up to the GMs.

I say this is powergaming- near-BDZ level tech, and easy to import and implement the only defense would be horrifically exclusionary, and economically damaging, import and customs policies.

As I've been handed the game to oversee, the explosion will not be the level Beowulf wants it to be. No. Not when you can import it undetected.

Though Sea Skimmer is right. If it was TT-level, it would have smashed through shields on the surface like a machinegun through butter. What a pity I've moderated it down to levels that would equate the level of damage Thirdfain described.

SirNitram wrote:

Beowulf wrote: I did mention it. You said no Little Doctors, So I said, fine, I'll just use a bunch of really really large bombs instead. You made no further comment on it.

I was waiting for those magic things called details.

Well... You didn't ask for specific details.

The princple behind the bomb is a straightforward extension of what I utilize for power. The water is mostly so that I don't have to lug a couple thousand tons of material to the site.

So you can bomb any world you want without detection? Denied. Would you like a special Moderation font around that? People won't be allowed to set off explosions that big without detection.

*Points to the water meter man.* You were saying something about detection? My point is that the bomb is hard to detect, not impossible.

Note that I did spend several posts setting this up, and the bomb isn't especially portable. It can be detected of course, but who's going to pay any attention to a bunch of electronic parts. Remember, transported in pieces, requiring a lengthy setup time.

I even gave very specific measurements of the size of the tank used, and the water held in the tank.

And I can give you a bunch of rules and say-sos for a Gridfire Incursor, would you mind terribly if I unleashed one on your capital?

I would mind terribly, but I'd insist that you actually have a reason for it. And I'd accept the effects. Of course, all you'd do is piss off my military, for the very good reason that my command facilities are *not* on my capital...

And really, isn't it better that it takes a while to actually set off the bomb, or would you rather that I send in a kamikaze ship with a planetcracking bomb. I could very well do that. It wouldn't be significantly larger than a cruiser, if that, and would be well capable of out putting at least 1e39J

Yes, you could. That ship could be intercepted. Thirdfain's post stands as canon. Massive devastation, tens of millions dead. The planet is still livable. The shields held over the Ark.

That is my decision as moderator.

*watches SirNitram go "Tralalalala, I don't care about science." and put fingers in ears.*

And the only reason why I decided on that size was because thirdfain insisted on it being over the horizon from the seat of government.

Beowulf wrote:

SirNitram wrote:

Beowulf wrote: I did mention it. You said no Little Doctors, So I said, fine, I'll just use a bunch of really really large bombs instead. You made no further comment on it.

I was waiting for those magic things called details.

Well... You didn't ask for specific details.

So you just gave yourself uber-bombs that can't be detected. No. Denied. Moderated down. However you wish to phrase it.

The princple behind the bomb is a straightforward extension of what I utilize for power. The water is mostly so that I don't have to lug a couple thousand tons of material to the site.

So you can bomb any world you want without detection? Denied. Would you like a special Moderation font around that? People won't be allowed to set off explosions that big without detection.

*Points to the water meter man.* You were saying something about detection? My point is that the bomb is hard to detect, not impossible.

The point is I denied this.

Note that I did spend several posts setting this up, and the bomb isn't especially portable. It can be detected of course, but who's going to pay any attention to a bunch of electronic parts. Remember, transported in pieces, requiring a lengthy setup time.

I even gave very specific measurements of the size of the tank used, and the water held in the tank.

And I can give you a bunch of rules and say-sos for a Gridfire Incursor, would you mind terribly if I unleashed one on your capital?

I would mind terribly, but I'd insist that you actually have a reason for it. And I'd accept the effects. Of course, all you'd do is piss off my military, for the very good reason that my command facilities are *not* on my capital...

And really, isn't it better that it takes a while to actually set off the bomb, or would you rather that I send in a kamikaze ship with a planetcracking bomb. I could very well do that. It wouldn't be significantly larger than a cruiser, if that, and would be well capable of out putting at least 1e39J

Yes, you could. That ship could be intercepted. Thirdfain's post stands as canon. Massive devastation, tens of millions dead. The planet is still livable. The shields held over the Ark.

That is my decision as moderator.

*watches SirNitram go "Tralalalala, I don't care about science." and put fingers in ears.*

*Watches Beowulf go "Tralalalaa, I don't care what the Mod says, I can do whatever I want...*

Second strike. Want to see what happens on the third?

SirNitram wrote:

Beowulf wrote:Well... You didn't ask for specific details.

So you just gave yourself uber-bombs that can't be detected. No. Denied. Moderated down. However you wish to phrase it.

So you can bomb any world you want without detection? Denied. Would you like a special Moderation font around that? People won't be allowed to set off explosions that big without detection.

*Points to the water meter man.* You were saying something about detection? My point is that the bomb is hard to detect, not impossible.

The point is I denied this.

The electronics that make up a DC power core are fairly specific, and can't be easily reshaped or reconfigured to look very different. If players feel that it would not be difficult at all to detect those systems, then they can feel free to do so. I will point out that it was not very difficult to figure out what I was doing, considering that some people did message me and guess what the hell I was up to. Thirdfain wanted a fucking unreasonable WMD, so he got what was coming to him.

Crazy question: What would happen if you pointed this thing at the ground?
It probably wouldn't destroy the planet (that is forbidden), so it has to stop somewhere. But what stops it? My guess is the initial energy release kills the generator before it can activate all of the material. This would likely be the case here. Assuming that the effect must be continuously generated and that it propogates at the speed of light, you only have enough time for light to reach the reactant and bounce back before your generator is destroyed and the device fizzles (relatively speaking - you still have some sort of explosion). This doesn't happen with power plants because in a plant the reaction is deliberately throttled back to safe levels. But once you deliberately set out to create an explosion, this outcome is assured. Therefore, very large explosive devices working under this principle are impossible at this time.

Beowulf wrote:The electronics that make up a DC power core are fairly specific, and can't be easily reshaped or reconfigured to look very different. If players feel that it would not be difficult at all to detect those systems, then they can feel free to do so. I will point out that it was not very difficult to figure out what I was doing, considering that some people did message me and guess what the hell I was up to. Thirdfain wanted a fucking unreasonable WMD, so he got what was coming to him.

You're going to get what's coming to you. Perhaps you need a fundamental reminder: This is the STGOD. The Moderator's call is final. My call has been made. Maybe your explosion was inefficient for whatever reason. Maybe something went wrong. I don't care. My ruling stands. Unless you want me to enforce my moderator powers IC, with the force I reserved for such.

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Raxmei wrote:Crazy question: What would happen if you pointed this thing at the ground?
It probably wouldn't destroy the planet (that is forbidden), so it has to stop somewhere. But what stops it? My guess is the initial energy release kills the generator before it can activate all of the material. This would likely be the case here. Assuming that the effect must be continuously generated and that it propogates at the speed of light, you only have enough time for light to reach the reactant and bounce back before your generator is destroyed and the device fizzles (relatively speaking - you still have some sort of explosion). This doesn't happen with power plants because in a plant the reaction is deliberately throttled back to safe levels. But once you deliberately set out to create an explosion, this outcome is assured. Therefore, very large explosive devices working under this principle are impossible at this time.

The generator must completely enclose the material be converted. The conversion does take some time, so it doesn't get bounced back immediately. So I guess planetkilling devices are out. The principle seems to work perfectly well in my missiles...

And Nitram? It would have had to have absolutely miserable efficiency for it to have had the effects shown. By this I mean only .01% efficiency. That said, the likelyhood of me ever using a device like this again is near nil.

That explanation works well enough as a rationalization. Since you're not going to get the yield you want, you might as well figure out a plausible reason why it didn't happen.

Why must the material be completely enclosed?

Beowulf wrote:And Nitram? It would have had to have absolutely miserable efficiency for it to have had the effects shown. By this I mean only .01% efficiency. That said, the likelyhood of me ever using a device like this again is near nil.

I see the word 'no' doesn't penetrate that skull of yours. Will IC moderation in the form of massive damage to your infrastructure do the job?

Hey, Phongn- the goings on at the meeting on Maralsartel are:

A: JUST leaving the mouths of delegates for discussion. There is no alliance at this point.

B: NOT things you would know about. This is a private diplomatic meeting behind closed doors, and by behind closed doors, I mean the fuckin janitor has been brainscanned by a P-12.

Thirdfain wrote:Hey, Phongn- the goings on at the meeting on Maralsartel are:

A: JUST leaving the mouths of delegates for discussion. There is no alliance at this point.

B: NOT things you would know about. This is a private diplomatic meeting behind closed doors, and by behind closed doors, I mean the fuckin janitor has been brainscanned by a P-12.

We can assume Phong's comes at some IC point after the meeting is over. STGOD time is nothing if not flexible.

I have actually been thinking of proposing a sort of Quadruple Entente for some time, though the geographical layout means that the Central Powers would work just as well. However, yes, this post was intended for completion sometime after your conference completed.

Shall we continue with the negotiations...

Raxmei wrote:That explanation works well enough as a rationalization. Since you're not going to get the yield you want, you might as well figure out a plausible reason why it didn't happen.

Why must the material be completely enclosed?

ooc: because then other players don't have to deal with headaches, like me turning their extremely dense armor into material for my missile warhead... (oops? was that your ship?)

ic: because the nature of the field requires it to be totally enclosed or nearly so.

Nitram: I'm reserving the right to utilize that weapon again, if necessary, such as if some people decided to gang up on me in a 4 front war, even though there really could only be a single front considering my position in the galaxy, and they force me to do as Stormbringer did.

As for why it failed to work correctly, well... It was somewhat jerry-rigged.
And note that it would have taken several weeks to assemble the device, and fill it. Thirdfain was seemingly quite willing to allow me to do as I wished with the device, and he had plenty of time to figure out what was going on, and have the device stopped. But he decided against it, indeed was quite willing to see the effects upon his capital world.

And again, it's not impossible to detect. If I hadn't filled it with water, I'd still require thousands of tons of material to fill it with to get the desired yield.

Beowulf wrote:Nitram: I'm reserving the right to utilize that weapon again, if necessary, such as if some people decided to gang up on me in a 4 front war, even though there really could only be a single front considering my position in the galaxy, and they force me to do as Stormbringer did.

It will have the same efficiency as it had in Thirdfain's post.

I have actually been thinking of proposing a sort of Quadruple Entente for some time, though the geographical layout means that the Central Powers would work just as well. However, yes, this post was intended for completion sometime after your conference completed.

That's cool, though the Alliance may very well fail to come through.

Beowulf wrote:ooc: because then other players don't have to deal with headaches, like me turning their extremely dense armor into material for my missile warhead... (oops? was that your ship?)

Oops, you just took a bite out of extremely worthless explosive-reactive armor.

What do all you people have against fish people?

Alyrium Denryle wrote:What do all you people have against fish people?

Quiet fish-stick!

Stormbringer wrote:

Alyrium Denryle wrote:What do all you people have against fish people?

Quiet fish-stick!

Silence Shark-Bait!