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Clone Sergeant wrote:

Srynerson wrote:

Clone Sergeant wrote:ARC-170 wing flaps:

Link

The pic speaks for itself. Most likely there to improve maneuverability when operating in an atmosphere.

The official site covers this (yes, they help with atmospheric flight; they also serve as radiators and deflector shield conduits): http://www.starwars.com/databank/starsh ... ter/?id=eu

I know what S-foils are and what function they serve on the ARC-170. I am talking about the flaps on the rear edge of the fighter's wing. Did you even look at the linked picture I posted? You can clearly see that the rear edge of that wing has a flap elevated.

Yes, I looked at the picture you posted. And yes, there is something that looks like an aileron, however the picture also prominently shows the s-foil. You did not specify that you were referring only to the aileron-like structure. You merely referred generically to "flaps", which is a term many people use to casually describe s-foils. I believed that I was offering a helpful link. Excuse me all to hell for not intuiting your meaning.

Clone Sergeant wrote:Thank you for reminding me of the correct term, aileron was the word I couldn't remember when I was writing my original post.

I apologize if I wasn't being clear. However, the ins and outs of Star Wars technology has been discussed at length on this board. I think that it really isn't that much of a stretch to assume I was simply referring to the blatantly aerodynamic feature at the rear edge of the wing (albeit with an incorrect term) and not the split wing which bears little to no resemblance to a terrestrial aircraft's braking flaps anyway.

Sorry, I overreacted. It's been a bad day.

Srynerson wrote:

Clone Sergeant wrote:Thank you for reminding me of the correct term, aileron was the word I couldn't remember when I was writing my original post.

I apologize if I wasn't being clear. However, the ins and outs of Star Wars technology has been discussed at length on this board. I think that it really isn't that much of a stretch to assume I was simply referring to the blatantly aerodynamic feature at the rear edge of the wing (albeit with an incorrect term) and not the split wing which bears little to no resemblance to a terrestrial aircraft's braking flaps anyway.

Sorry, I overreacted. It's been a bad day.

Don't worry about it.

Striderteen wrote: Does anyone have any additional information on these speeder bike troops? They don't appear to be BARC troopers.

RotS:VD

The trooper closest to the camera is "Commander Neyo"- his helmet has an enhanced breath filter. No further information. They could've been her officers.

I'm not sure if this has already been said but it seems that main guns on a Venator can be dialed down so that they don't instakill a shieldless capship (from the "broadside scene" (as it seems unlikely that either a Providance class had much better armor or that Mol Cal ship had much stronger guns then the Venator)).

Lord Revan wrote:I'm not sure if this has already been said but it seems that main guns on a Venator can be dialed down so that they don't instakill a shieldless capship (from the "broadside scene" (as it seems unlikely that either a Providance class had much better armor or that Mol Cal ship had much stronger guns then the Venator)).

The ROTS ICS mentions power settings. This makes sense, since Palpatine was aboard the Invisible Hand.

Jim Raynor wrote:

Lord Revan wrote:I'm not sure if this has already been said but it seems that main guns on a Venator can be dialed down so that they don't instakill a shieldless capship (from the "broadside scene" (as it seems unlikely that either a Providance class had much better armor or that Mol Cal ship had much stronger guns then the Venator)).

The ROTS ICS mentions power settings. This makes sense, since Palpatine was aboard the Invisible Hand.

I figured it would, but more to do with the scale of those settings then their existance (after the Invisible Hand didn't blow even after it was hit several times with mainguns).

Shouldn't it be possible to find out the shield strength of the mining droids on Mustafar? When Vader surfs on one it is half submerged in the lava and the shield is glowing a lot.

In a previous discussion about Samus from Metroid it was mentioned that by looking at the color of lava you could see how hot it was and by knowing that you can see how much energy would be transferred. Assuming the droid isn't hotter than it's possible for Vader to stand there without melting his boots some kind of indication on droid shield strangth could be calculated, right?

McNum wrote:Assuming the droid isn't hotter than it's possible for Vader to stand there without melting his boots...

Throw in the likelihood of using the Force to minimise negative effects of being so close to lava, and the normal melting point of Anakin's boots gets turned pretty much into a non-factor.

Lord of the Farce wrote:

McNum wrote:Assuming the droid isn't hotter than it's possible for Vader to stand there without melting his boots...

Throw in the likelihood of using the Force to minimise negative effects of being so close to lava, and the normal melting point of Anakin's boots gets turned pretty much into a non-factor.

True enough, but the droid itself still didn't melt, although it clearly didn't feel comfortable down there.

Lord Revan wrote:I'm not sure if this has already been said but it seems that main guns on a Venator can be dialed down so that they don't instakill a shieldless capship (from the "broadside scene" (as it seems unlikely that either a Providance class had much better armor or that Mol Cal ship had much stronger guns then the Venator)).

A little of both and possibly from category 3: the angle that the turbolaser hits the ISD in the slo mo video makes it look like it pierces the reactor, if the Death Star is any example, that's a bad thing (tm.) Being able to target systems with that amount of precision and do that severe amount of damage speaks quite a bit about the potential dangers of point blank range fighting.

Since this is Mike's thread and by its nature I hope he doesn't take this as TN, but here goes:

We now have staggering evidence that the Death Star was planned to be built by the Empire all along and in fact it was built prior to the Rebellion, and not in response to it.

The plans were acquired in AOTC by Dooku to give to "my Master" (Sideous), and 3 years later there is already something under construction and under the control of the Empire as of the end of the film (if not all along).

This refutes some neocon thinking that the Death Star was built only as a reluctant and forced defensive measure by the Empire to stop "terrorists" (the Rebel Alliance threat). During ROTS the "Rebels" (a handful of fearful Senators who planned to do nothing for the present time except go along with whatever Palpy said to prevent them getting wiped out) were so unimportant that their scenes were all cut from the theatrical film.

Palpatine knew about Anakin's slaughter of the Tuskens. This was revealed either when they were still on the Invisible Hand or when they are in Palpatine's office. Anakin was guilty about executing Dooku and Palpatine pointed to the Tusken incident to sort of allay Anakin's guilt about taking revenge. It could indicate that either the slaughter is relatively common knowledge or that Palpatine was somehow knowledgeable about it and Anakin was too guilt-ridden to notice. The first explanation is a little shaky. The Jedi order won't let him have a wife but they'll eventually look past his slaughter of Sand people? Either they don't think much of Tuskens, or Anakin got off fairly lightly because he's the Chosen One. The second explanation as to why Palpatine knew about the incident would support the idea that he orchestrated Shmi's kidnapping in order to expedite Anakin's fall to the Dark Side.

applejack wrote:Palpatine knew about Anakin's slaughter of the Tuskens. This was revealed either when they were still on the Invisible Hand or when they are in Palpatine's office. Anakin was guilty about executing Dooku and Palpatine pointed to the Tusken incident to sort of allay Anakin's guilt about taking revenge. It could indicate that either the slaughter is relatively common knowledge or that Palpatine was somehow knowledgeable about it and Anakin was too guilt-ridden to notice. The first explanation is a little shaky. The Jedi order won't let him have a wife but they'll eventually look past his slaughter of Sand people? Either they don't think much of Tuskens, or Anakin got off fairly lightly because he's the Chosen One. The second explanation as to why Palpatine knew about the incident would support the idea that he orchestrated Shmi's kidnapping in order to expedite Anakin's fall to the Dark Side.

"Remember what you told me about your mother and the Sandpeople?"

Or Anakin told him and him alone, apart from his wife.

Ah, sorry about that. This is what I get for watching the movie only once...

LordOskuro wrote:The much speculated memory wipe performed on 3PO might not be as thorough as it seems, since later on 3PO remembers his first job, keeps his personality, and his relationship with R2.

And they can't program false memories?

Darth Servo wrote:And they can't program false memories?

I find it more likely that they left some of his non-sensitive memories behind, rather than taking the time to write up a script for false memories; after the wipe he had big gaps, but he wasn't brand-new. Maybe.

Axis Kast wrote:Super Battle Droids are apparently extremely strong; one is able to easily heft and toss R2-D2 while in the hanger bay of General Grevious' flagship, despite the probability that an astromech droid is considerably heavy.

Ooh, yeah.
Can anyone remember if there's anywhere else in the six movies where there's a scene that might help us to figure out how heavy R2 is?

Cykeisme wrote:Can anyone remember if there's anywhere else in the six movies where there's a scene that might help us to figure out how heavy R2 is?

Luke having to strain just to tip R2 upright on Dagobah might be a good place to start.

Yeah, that's a good indicator.

Those SBDs are pretty strong. It's up to Mike, but I think this is worth popping into the Revelations page

Axis Kast wrote:Super Battle Droids are apparently extremely strong

More a nitpick than anything, but although lifting R2 with a single hand might seem quite a feat for a human, I don't think modern day mechanical robot arms would have much trouble doing it. I don't see evidence of the SBDs' arms being stronger than any other mechanical arm or manipulator (Excluding those not designed for moving objects, like 3PO's).

The arm needs to be attached to a robot. A modern robot capable of doing it would be bigger and not as mobile as SBD. And the SBD was built for shooting things mainly not arm wrestling.

More a nitpick than anything, but although lifting R2 with a single hand might seem quite a feat for a human, I don't think modern day mechanical robot arms would have much trouble doing it. I don't see evidence of the SBDs' arms being stronger than any other mechanical arm or manipulator (Excluding those not designed for moving objects, like 3PO's).

Of course.

However, as The Shadow pointed out, the size differential question remains. A SBD is likely smaller than the contemporary equivalent of a similarly-capable load lifter.

Of course, Battle Droids are, in general, stonger than humans. Even the seemingly frail examples seen in TPM hefted blaster weapons considerably heavier than those ported by organic troops of human size.

Of course, Battle Droids are, in general, stonger than humans. Even the seemingly frail examples seen in TPM hefted blaster weapons considerably heavier than those ported by organic troops of human size.

It should be noted that Senator Amidala was able to competantly weild and fire one of those weapons with one hand in AOTC.

This has been covered already, but a Super Battle Droid's ability to lift an astromech with one hand has a lot more to do than the strength of the arm alone (which is still pretty impressive, in itself).

Regardless, it sets a lower limit on the physical capabilities of an SBD. That's the point.

It should be noted that Senator Amidala was able to competantly weild and fire one of those weapons with one hand in AOTC.

That doesn't mean it still takes considerable strength. The gun is built for a droid hand; not a human hand, and is clearly bulky.