More Trektardism

[Darth Ruinus]

On another note. Remember the time those idiots tried to use the "Millenium Falcon" easter egg from First Contact to "prove" SW ships can't defeat the borg. I was just watching TPM and was reminded of E.T. appearing in the senate. There's canon proof of intergalactic trips in SW!!!

Not only that, but apperantly the Republic already has territory in this galaxy!!!!

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holy shit ET travelled here during the last few decades, I wonder what tech the SW galaxy has now?

By the way, who does JMSpock think he is fooling? Isnt he saying that there is no real "proof" for same day intergalactic travel in SW?

[Darth Servo]

By the way, who does JMSpock think he is fooling? Isnt he saying that there is no real "proof" for same day intergalactic travel in SW?

Yes, thats exactly what he's saying. "All those 'other side of the galaxy' statements are clearly figurative, just like they are in Trek. We don't know how far it is from Coruscant to Tatooine, but based on the 'one parsec' trip from Tatooine to Geonosis in AOTC that took all day and into the night, they can't be across the galaxy from each other. All the official maps are wrong. Coruscant can't be near the galactic core, the star density is too low." ad nauseum.

[Darth Ruinus]

By the way, who does JMSpock think he is fooling? Isnt he saying that there is no real "proof" for same day intergalactic travel in SW?

Yes, thats exactly what he's saying. "All those 'other side of the galaxy' statements are clearly figurative, just like they are in Trek. We don't know how far it is from Coruscant to Tatooine, but based on the 'one parsec' trip from Tatooine to Geonosis in AOTC that took all day and into the night, they can't be across the galaxy from each other. All the official maps are wrong. Coruscant can't be near the galactic core, the star density is too low." ad nauseum.

You forgot, Anakin held out for a whole week with his lungs on fire, and Leia and Han were stuck in that shield generator base for a whole week too.

[Lord Poe]

You forgot, Anakin held out for a whole week with his lungs on fire, and Leia and Han were stuck in that shield generator base for a whole week too.

Holy crap, I completely forgot about that!

Of course, I guess SW humans are genetically born to withstand multiple amputations and immolation for weeks instead of minutes or hours...

[Yuri2356]

Holy crap, I completely forgot about that!

Of course, I guess SW humans are genetically born to withstand multiple amputations and immolation for weeks instead of minutes or hours...

Well, when you're born with a steel spine, I guess you can take a lot of punishment.

[Peptuck]

You forgot, Anakin held out for a whole week with his lungs on fire, and Leia and Han were stuck in that shield generator base for a whole week too.

Holy crap, I completely forgot about that!

Of course, I guess SW humans are genetically born to withstand multiple amputations and immolation for weeks instead of minutes or hours...

In that case, there's no way the Trek forces can stand a chance against such obviously superior enemies! What manner of freakishly powerful weaponry must they use to defeat enemies who can survive being set on fire and are born with steel spines?

[lord Martiya]

I think that a full salvo 457mm caliber guns of the Yamato will be adequate to kill one stormtrooper, but I can be wrong.

[Kane Starkiller]

If you thought that pictures showing turbolasers bullseying R droid units will convince the Trekkies think again. Here is one from starfleetjedi and their ST.com thread:

However imagined that pityful excuse must be on crack. They couldn't even make most of the bolts hit the ship.
Aiming for small specs on the back of the ship would be stupid. Especially since the TF ship started to fire on the yatch even before the droids were out. Let's again notice that the accuracy didn't change at all from before and after the presence of the droids on the hull.
This is just such a stupid claim, it's pathetic one could actually believe in that nonsense even one second.

Let's recap the events shall we. The battleship opens fire and after a few moments the shield generator is hit directly thus disabling the shields on the yacht. After the repair crew approaches the generator in hopes of fixing it they are picked off one by one.
If after all of this you conclude that TF objective was to disable the ship and prevent the shield generator to come back online you are obviously a fanatic warsie. See some of the shots also missed and unless they display 100% accuracy then we can't possibly conclude that they intentionally aimed at the droids right? Because, as we all know, when you aim at something your accuracy will ALWAYS be 100%. It was blind dumb luck that Trade Federation just happened to hit the shield generator dead on and then pick off the droids again with dead on hits. Yeah that's it. Star Wars accuracy sucks.

And, of course, we see the level of energy provided by these cannons.
We also need to remind them that when the shields were down, the ship was still rocked by explosions. The flak, the same explosions rocking the ship the same exact way when she had her shields up.

Naturally after insisting that dead on hits against shield generator and the repair team were just luck he can go on to pretend that those droid blasting shots were full powered so he can claim that Trade Federation cannons are weak.

[Stark]

Bracketing the ship to control it's direction and near-misses to drain it's shield = fanatic. I hear if things don't happen the way some ST guy thinks it should, then it's obviously a huge failure.

PS, when targetting repair droids and attempting to disable, clearly full-power fire should be used. After all, if you miss the 1m tall target, you want the whole ship destroyed to hide your embarrassment.

[PeZook]

PS, when targetting repair droids and attempting to disable, clearly full-power fire should be used. After all, if you miss the 1m tall target, you want the whole ship destroyed to hide your embarrassment.

Don't you know? Navies of the world fire ASMs at freighters they are trying to stop! It's the only way to be sure.

You know, I've got this vision, where a Trektard sees a video of a Burke-class firing a machinegun burst across the bow of a small pirate speedboat in order to stop it. He then concludes that, therefore, the firepower of a Burke-class destroyer is so very small it won't scratch the paint on his fancy cruise liner. Also, they can't shoot - they didn't hit the speedboat, right? He then proceeds to crow about how his hi-tech cruise liner would spank the US Navy silly.

The logic is the same, ain't it?

[lord Martiya]

I think so. And that they don't know anything of naval interdiction, warfare and weaponry, and because this they are a good reading when you need to laugh.

[Vympel]

Naturally after insisting that dead on hits against shield generator and the repair team were just luck he can go on to pretend that those droid blasting shots were full powered so he can claim that Trade Federation cannons are weak.

What do you expect from twits? I mean, it's not like Amidala was on the ship, and they needed her to sign the treaty and end the debate in the Senate throughout the whole damn movie ... oh, wait, that's exactly what happened.

It's about scoring cheap points in service of their religion. That's how the wanker can make a smarmy comment about "the energy of those cannons", ignoring inconvenient facts like Avenger blasting asteroids, heck, even Slave I smashing asteroids in AotC, with a straight face and not (apparently) realize he's a silly twat.

[Mad]

Bracketing the ship to control it's direction and near-misses to drain it's shield = fanatic. I hear if things don't happen the way some ST guy thinks it should, then it's obviously a huge failure.

Heh, that reminds me of a debate way back on SB.com on turbolaser accuracy with someone who actually wanted me to prove that bracketing a target ship was a tactic used in Star Wars (the debate was on whether or not the Devastator was attempting to "box in" the Tantive IV to make its disabling shot easier).

When I quoted some X-Wing novels that showed just that, he told me to prove that capital ships can do it, since apparently I only proved that starfighters can attempt to box in their targets with those quotes.

[Darth Servo]

I think so. And that they don't know anything of naval interdiction, warfare and weaponry, and because this they are a good reading when you need to laugh.

As I said, they clearly learned military tactics and strategy from watching Star Trek. Afterall, thats where they got their science education, right? Trek is the most scientifically realistic show on TV, right? So they would pay equal attention to military matters too.

As I believe Mike has pointed out before: first rule of Trekkie combat, blow up whatever it is you're trying to capture.

[Peptuck]

Bracketing the ship to control it's direction and near-misses to drain it's shield = fanatic. I hear if things don't happen the way some ST guy thinks it should, then it's obviously a huge failure.

Heh, that reminds me of a debate way back on SB.com on turbolaser accuracy with someone who actually wanted me to prove that bracketing a target ship was a tactic used in Star Wars (the debate was on whether or not the Devastator was attempting to "box in" the Tantive IV to make its disabling shot easier).

When I quoted some X-Wing novels that showed just that, he told me to prove that capital ships can do it, since apparently I only proved that starfighters can attempt to box in their targets with those quotes.

Christ on a cracker, don't these people realize that you can limit an enemy's movement with just about any kind of ranged, direct fire weapon on any kind of ship in the first place? if they can do it with the fixed, wing-mounted laser cannons on an X-Wing, then doing it with the large number of rotating turrets on a warship would be trivially easy.

Hell, we can do that now with modern weapons. That's what "suppressive fire" is used for.

[Peptuck]

Trek is the most scientifically realistic show on TV, right?

So scientifically realistic it has its own pantheon of deities!

[lord Martiya]

And a character called Apollo who want be worshipped.

[Darth Servo]

Hell, we can do that now with modern weapons. That's what "suppressive fire" is used for.

But "suppressive fire" doesn't happen on Trek, so its obviously a rather primitive strategy, right? Hell, the fact that a comparatively stone-age civilization like SW would use it only further proves this.

[ArcturusMengsk]

More confirmation of the speed of hyperdrive can be found here:

A 22-year-old Tem Chesko speaks with the mine operator on Cirus II, who tells him that he should arrive back on his home planet within two weeks. Tem gets onto the ship, takes off and relaxes, when suddenly it's hit by an asteroid. The collision takes out the ship's hyperdrive and comlink, preventing Tem from contacting anyone. He calculates the distance to the nearest planet as ten parsecs, meaning he wouldn't arrive there in anything under 60 years.

Even without hyperdrive, Star Wars vessels can travel at greater than half the speed of light.

[ArcturusMengsk]

More confirmation of the speed of hyperdrive can be found here:

A 22-year-old Tem Chesko speaks with the mine operator on Cirus II, who tells him that he should arrive back on his home planet within two weeks. Tem gets onto the ship, takes off and relaxes, when suddenly it's hit by an asteroid. The collision takes out the ship's hyperdrive and comlink, preventing Tem from contacting anyone. He calculates the distance to the nearest planet as ten parsecs, meaning he wouldn't arrive there in anything under 60 years.

Even without hyperdrive, Star Wars vessels can travel at greater than half the speed of light.

Ghetto edit:

At the age of 86, laying in his bed, Tem asked Millie to kill him, and handed her his laser knife; Tem tells Bezzem that that was the hardest day of his life. Bezzem asks how he could still be here and what happened to Millie, and Tem answers both questions by revealing Millie's inner workings transplanted into his chest.

More confirmation of the general superiority of Star Wars medical equipment.

[Peptuck]

Bracketing the ship to control it's direction and near-misses to drain it's shield = fanatic. I hear if things don't happen the way some ST guy thinks it should, then it's obviously a huge failure.

PS, when targetting repair droids and attempting to disable, clearly full-power fire should be used. After all, if you miss the 1m tall target, you want the whole ship destroyed to hide your embarrassment.

What pisses me off about this idiotic logic is that trektards will say that this is a sign of low weapons power, when they themselves routinely crow about how phasers have variable yields and settings.

[Darth Servo]

What pisses me off about this idiotic logic is that trektards will say that this is a sign of low weapons power, when they themselves routinely crow about how phasers have variable yields and settings.

The person holding the weak hand rarely has issues with double standards.

[Chardok]

Jesus fuck this can't STILL be going on. It was 140+ pages when I was here like two weeks ago! I refuse to go back to that horrible place.

[Aratech]

Jesus fuck this can't STILL be going on. It was 140+ pages when I was here like two weeks ago! I refuse to go back to that horrible place.

Its only gonna get worse. My debates with Spock are in the 48+ page region right now. With school and everything it takes me a full week to get my response together. Somehow, Spock is able to respond in full, within 3-4 hours. Either he's in high school, has no life/employment, or has one of those weird jobs that allows for surfing the web at work. Of course, part of it might have something to do with the fact that I go through and try to research and cite my sources, whereas he seems to have a problem with burden of proof.

[Peptuck]

When you consider the near-religious fantacism of trektards like Spock and how they have no problem pulling their responses out of their asses and not providing real proof, it makes sense.