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Stas Bush wrote: The French phased Clem class out when the De Gaulle arrived. Crossroadia might have not been so fortunate, or it might have bought a SLEP-overhauled Clem class from San Dorado. Brazil still operates the Clem class.

With modern fighters, the Clem class can be a deadly weapon. It's 260 m deck is enough to operate MiG-29K for example.

Hey, if we're running with Clems for Crossroadia, I ain't arguing.

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:The UK always faces pressure to cut just about anything. They would be lucky to even have a single ship operating in 20 years time. These days their ability to even maintain their welfare state is a joke, even more so by their reluctance to do substantial required finanical reform.

That makes the real-world British more like our PeZookians, rather than our Shroomanians.

Lonestar wrote:Hey, if we're running with Clems for Crossroadia, I ain't arguing.

I'm just sick of everyone and his dog throwing around 100 ton carriers, almost all the time the "Nimitz" design, as if they were toys poofed out of nowhere, putting no thought into the development tree (project heritage and such). Moreover, this world does reflect IRL in some ways, so that Clem designs, CVA-01 and other smaller carriers do have logical foundations to stand on. Smaller nations shouldn't throw Nimitzes around.

Moreover, building a capable group with small carriers is quite a task in itself and nations which do it well can be rewarded. Even a single small carrier, but with a modern airgroup, is a serious argument.

Wilkens is correct in that naval power takes time to build up, and most of us put thought into the designs and the tech tree (at least me, Pezook, Langley and Siege).

Having some refreshing wind and realistic navies compared to "HEY I'M CZECHMATE AND HERE'S MY KITTY HAWK 350M MONSTER!!!" is good. And Czech, don't take that as an insult, this has been the problem of many players (including Baerne, for example).

Stas Bush wrote: I'm just sick of everyone and his dog throwing around 100 ton carriers, almost all the time the "Nimitz" design, as if they were toys poofed out of nowhere, putting no thought into the development tree (project heritage and such). Moreover, this world does reflect IRL in some ways, so that Clem designs, CVA-01 and other smaller carriers do have logical foundations to stand on. Smaller nations shouldn't throw Nimitzes around.

Fun Fact, wwwaaaaaayyyyy back in the "Post the history of your country here!" thread, I alluded to the "Joint MESS CVN program" in the early '70s, which is what I've intrepeted as the design basis for modern Nimitz-family CVNs.

Wilkens is correct in that naval power takes time to build up, and most of us put thought into the designs and the tech tree (at least me, Pezook, Langley and Siege).

Hey man, the construction pace of the ODN has been by far the slowest of the MESS countries, and maybe slower than most other countries as well. Not a single STAR DDGN(besides the two purchased second hand) has entered comission, for example, and I do crazy shit like "One of my two CVNs is going into the yards for 18 months for a life extension program" and explicitly mention that it will not be availible for operations.

How many other people here can say that?

I didn't actually put much thought into my navy, to be honest.

It went something like this:

"I don't need to project power ; My navy needs to defend the Med and occasionally engage in some relief mission or embassy evacuation. So it needs, at most, helicarriers."

Then I decided to form two Wasp groups and have plenty of SSKs and mid-sized patrol boats.

I never thought where the Wasps would come from, though presumably they were bought from a producer like Wilkonia. Same goes for the upcoming Colosus carriers, which I will buy from Byzantium.

PeZook wrote:I didn't actually put much thought into my navy, to be honest.

It went something like this:

"I don't need to project power ; My navy needs to defend the Med and occasionally engage in some relief mission or embassy evacuation. So it needs, at most, helicarriers."

Then I decided to form two Wasp groups and have plenty of SSKs and mid-sized patrol boats.

I never thought where the Wasps would come from, though presumably they were bought from a producer like Wilkonia. Same goes for the upcoming Colosus carriers, which I will buy from Byzantium.

That would have worked if not for one thing: Carrier groups do not to approach within 1000km of the coast to launch cruise missile strikes. The US Navy strategy in the 70-80s was to force the Soviet Navy and Air Force into a battle far away from its shores and launch attacks 2500km away.

That's pretty much why the Soviet Navy itself, and the Russian Navy, saw need for carriers to protect its sub groups and to bring the battle to th enemy. Your navy and navy is too awefully short ranged for that sort of thing and thus at best good for rear side action.

It makes me wonder where Shroomania got its Nimitz carriers from. Joint partnership with Byzantium? Joining in on the MESS carrier program?

EDIT:

Byzantium has always been about self-sufficiency in making its military kickass. Perhaps Shroomania could've tagged along in jointly making badass weapons systems on a regional scale.

Stas Bush wrote:

Lonestar wrote:There is an important "past tense" choice of words there.

The French phased Clem class out when the De Gaulle arrived. Crossroadia might have not been so fortunate, or it might have bought a SLEP-overhauled Clem class from San Dorado. Brazil still operates the Clem class.

Or it could just be whatever he wants it to be, because he couldn't find a better picture other than "lolcarrier" and/or didn't know any better...

Do I actually have XM29 OICWs and H&K G36s now because the soldiers in a few pictures I posted had them? No, because, while I have something similar to an OICW, it has an integrated PDW rather than a full-blown assault rifle, to cut down on weight, and the ammunition is proximity fuzed rather than airbursting (or whatever you'd call that shit.) And while my rifles bear a superficial resemblance to G36s, they're a totally different calibre.

But hey, feel free to continue pointlessly picking apart a throwaway picture.

Shady's BnL headquarters is so totally the Combine Citadel from Half Life 2.



Hell, those Combine Civil Protection and Overwatch troops could be BnL's rent-a-cops decked out in standard menacing Zorian gear.

I'm so calling dibs on that building right the fuck now...

Too late.

Zor wrote:Union Press

BnL opens new world Headquarters



BnL World Headquarters, Port Victory

Mang, all you guys are just following the trend, I had the first MegaBuilding LONG before anyone else

Ryan Thunder wrote:

Stas Bush wrote:

Lonestar wrote:There is an important "past tense" choice of words there.

The French phased Clem class out when the De Gaulle arrived. Crossroadia might have not been so fortunate, or it might have bought a SLEP-overhauled Clem class from San Dorado. Brazil still operates the Clem class.

Or it could just be whatever he wants it to be, because he couldn't find a better picture other than "lolcarrier" and/or didn't know any better...

Do I actually have XM29 OICWs and H&K G36s now because the soldiers in a few pictures I posted had them? No, because, while I have something similar to an OICW, it has an integrated PDW rather than a full-blown assault rifle, to cut down on weight, and the ammunition is proximity fuzed rather than airbursting (or whatever you'd call that shit.) And while my rifles bear a superficial resemblance to G36s, they're a totally different calibre.

But hey, feel free to continue pointlessly picking apart a throwaway picture.

Well it is a little late for that now.. Since Stas posted I guess I'm stuck with the clems weather I want them or not. The Irony is I have planned to reposition Crossroadia as a considerable Naval power. What with being right in the middle of the two largest landmasses and all. Of course I can't complain, his post at least gives me a SHRED of legitimacy as far as my carriers go.. I guess I am going to have to go out of my way constantly saying I am updating these ships.

But yeah, this all boils down to me picking a picture, because it "looked" good, and not having anyidea how old the ships in it were... But oh well...

Shroom Man 777 wrote:Too late.

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I meant the actual Combine Citadel, you smarmy bastard.

You just came into the game a couple of days ago... dude.

Zor's been posting that dumb phallic compensatory construct citadel of his ever since... ever.



EDIT:

That was for Crossroads, not Ryan.

Shroom Man 777 wrote:You just came into the game a couple of days ago... dude.

Zor's been posting that dumb phallic compensatory construct citadel of his ever since... ever.



EDIT:

That was for Crossroads, not Ryan.

Well, just for the record, I had the CCCT in the FIRST SDnet world game... Just saying

Yeah, and it did NOTHING! It just FLOATED AROUND there on your ISLAND.

But yeah, in this game Crossrodia and Shroomania should have awesome shipping trade and stuff between each other. Rite?

Shroom Man 777 wrote:Yeah, and it did NOTHING! It just FLOATED AROUND there on your ISLAND.

But yeah, in this game Crossrodia and Shroomania should have awesome shipping trade and stuff between each other. Rite?

Hey man, what did you expect it to DO?Its an Arcology, a City in a building, designed for sustainability and stuff, it houses 50,000 residence and 100,000 workers.. And the new government buildings, what more you want

But you are right on the shipping stuff, after all the funeral stuff is worn off I am going to be holding a massive World gathering for industrial leaders and we can work out new shipping lanes and trade deals.

How many Zeps can I put you down for order? ;P

Ryan Thunder wrote: Or it could just be whatever he wants it to be, because he couldn't find a better picture other than "lolcarrier" and/or didn't know any better...

Do I actually have XM29 OICWs and H&K G36s now because the soldiers in a few pictures I posted had them? No, because, while I have something similar to an OICW, it has an integrated PDW rather than a full-blown assault rifle, to cut down on weight, and the ammunition is proximity fuzed rather than airbursting (or whatever you'd call that shit.) And while my rifles bear a superficial resemblance to G36s, they're a totally different calibre.

But hey, feel free to continue pointlessly picking apart a throwaway picture.

I don't trust anything your deranged little mind posts as an image, especially considering your bobbleheaded "armored security" guards you decided to bring to a fucking funeral.

As for the throwaway picture, it wasn't just the Clem(which, as Stas has pointed out, is still in service in Brasil), it was the escorts that made me chuckle. I came to the conclusion that said carrier must be of a similar vintage.

Now go run along and create another super choppa with 155mm cannon that is also ASW-capable that you need as a landlocked country because of a river.

Crossroads Inc. wrote:But you are right on the shipping stuff, after all the funeral stuff is worn off I am going to be holding a massive World gathering for industrial leaders and we can work out new shipping lanes and trade deals.

And fishing deals!

How many Zeps can I put you down for order? ;P

Shroomania has zeps and airships of all shapes, forms and sizes with Canissia. But I guess if Crossroadia and Shroomania worked together on a MASSIVE TRANS-ATLANTIC ZEPPELIN-CATAMARAN for MASSIVE WIN, and PROFIT, we'd be cool with that also!

Shroomania and Crossroadia need to do sustainable tuna farming off our coasts. In light of the impending fisheries disaster.

Lonestar wrote:I don't trust anything your deranged little mind posts as an image, especially considering your bobbleheaded "armored security" guards you decided to bring to a fucking funeral.

1. The Supreme Leader's body guard (stupidly) doesn't take orders from the Supreme Leader as anything more than suggestions.
2. They are to protect him at all costs, regardless of his protestations regarding "public image" and "absurdity".
3. Ryan's using this most recent incident as an excuse to can the lot of them and get a real SS that understands the meanings of the words "subtle" and "inconspicuous".

As for the throwaway picture, it wasn't just the Clem(which, as Stas has pointed out, is still in service in Brasil), it was the escorts that made me chuckle. I came to the conclusion that said carrier must be of a similar vintage.

Obviously this would be disadvantageous to the player in question, would it not? So you could, y'know, ask him if that's really what he meant it to be, and if not, suggest something else.

Now go run along and create another super choppa with 155mm cannon that is also ASW-capable that you need as a landlocked country because of a river.

I don't have any ASW helicopters, never mind ASW air-mobile howitzers...

Ryan Thunder wrote: Obviously this would be disadvantageous to the player in question, would it not? So you could, y'know, ask him if that's really what he meant it to be, and if not, suggest something else.

"If the enemy is doing something stupid, don't interrupt him."

Lonestar wrote:

Ryan Thunder wrote: Obviously this would be disadvantageous to the player in question, would it not? So you could, y'know, ask him if that's really what he meant it to be, and if not, suggest something else.

"If the enemy is doing something stupid, don't interrupt him."

1. It's a roleplay, you idiot, and an open-ended one at that. Not some goddamned wargame.
2. If that's not what he intended, don't fucking try to pretend it was. The only exception I can think of to this is if they're doing something totally unreasonable and refuse to retcon it. Sort of like what I did with Beowulf in the Costas.

Shroom Man 777 wrote:

Crossroads Inc. wrote:But you are right on the shipping stuff, after all the funeral stuff is worn off I am going to be holding a massive World gathering for industrial leaders and we can work out new shipping lanes and trade deals.

And fishing deals!

Of course! Good to se even with the Dear Leader of SHroomania gone, the nation continues to look to its allies for furthering trade!

Shroom Man 777 wrote:

How many Zeps can I put you down for order? ;P

Shroomania has zeps and airships of all shapes, forms and sizes with Canissia. But I guess if Crossroadia and Shroomania worked together on a MASSIVE TRANS-ATLANTIC ZEPPELIN-CATAMARAN for MASSIVE WIN, and PROFIT, we'd be cool with that also!

Shroomania and Crossroadia need to do sustainable tuna farming off our coasts. In light of the impending fisheries disaster.

AHA! so its Canissia that I shall have to corner the Zepplin market from! <shakes angry fist>
OK now that that is out of my system... We dont want to get too crazy with how big we make a Zep, Ive been sticking with pretty reasonable sizes, so far my largest model is purely for Cargo shipping containers. That said I would still be up to working on something with you, Ill work up a reasonable post in a bit.

Note that that latest post was all Fingolfin's fault.

Shroom Man 777 wrote:Note that that latest post was all Fingolfin's fault.

Hey! You were the one who wrote it!