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Re: [Official Thread] 2012 US PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION
Posted: 2012-09-20 05:53pm
by Dalton
Regarding House and Senate races, things are looking uglier for the GOP there as well. All in all, a gloomy forecast for Mitt, He Who Borrowed Boehner's Orange-Glo Tan
Re: [Official Thread] 2012 US PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION
Posted: 2012-09-20 05:54pm
by weemadando
I think the problem with Romney is that the oligarchs made the mistake of choosing one of their own as a frontman for once, not someone who could at least pretend to be something other than an objectionably rich, pretentious, uncaring, amoral schmuck.
Re: [Official Thread] 2012 US PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION
Posted: 2012-09-21 05:03am
by bobalot
There's talk
floating around the internet that
Mitt Romney donned "brown face" at a Univision forum.
This is him earlier today (in the same clothes)
and this is him today (right)
To be fair, it's very possible it was the make up artist. It could also be spray on tan.
Re: [Official Thread] 2012 US PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION
Posted: 2012-09-21 11:33am
by Zaune
I can't wait to see what happens when he starts trying to improve his standing with black voters.
Re: [Official Thread] 2012 US PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION
Posted: 2012-09-21 12:46pm
by Mr Bean
Zaune wrote:I can't wait to see what happens when he starts trying to improve his standing with black voters.
He has no intention of courting the Black Vote, he got
zero percent in not one but two polls. Sure those polls had a one to two percent margin of error but it follows a trend that he might be the first Republican to get less than two percent of the Black vote, something even George Wallace managed to get.
Re: [Official Thread] 2012 US PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION
Posted: 2012-09-21 02:22pm
by Mr Bean
Re: [Official Thread] 2012 US PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION
Posted: 2012-09-21 02:23pm
by Flagg
Well, Governor Blackface has finally released his 2011 taxes and a "summary" of his tax rates from 1990 to 2009. Classic Friday afternoon news dump.
Re: [Official Thread] 2012 US PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION
Posted: 2012-09-21 05:24pm
by Crossroads Inc.
In other news, Obama is doing something SHOCKING, something unheard of!
He is
Actually attacking Mittens using his own
gaffs and words!
WOODBRIDGE, Va.—President Barack Obama took another shot at Mitt Romney's suggestion that 47 percent of Americans have a "victim" mentality, casting his opponent as out of touch with the country.
"I don't believe we can get very far with leaders who write off half the nation as victims who will never take responsibility," Obama declared at a rally here.
The president also defended his suggestion before a Univision forum yesterday, in which he said he'd learned "you can't change Washington from the inside." Obama said that he meant the only real change comes from outside Washington—and mocked Romney for twisting his comments.
"My opponent got really excited. He stood up at a rally and proudly declared, 'I'll get the job done from the inside,'" Obama said. "What kind of inside job is he talking about? ... We don't want an inside job in Washington. We want change in Washington. ... That can't happen if you've written off half the country."
It was the second time in 24 hours that Obama took a shot at Romney's "47 percent" comment, which was captured in a secretly taped video of the Republican candidate speaking at a Florida fundraiser in May. The video, leaked to Mother Jones magazine, showed Romney saying that Obama's supporters—which he estimated to be about 47 percent of the country—view themselves as victims and are reliant on government handouts.
Romney has downplayed his comments, suggesting he was just talking about the political landscape of the race. During his appearance at the Univision forum, Romney insisted he was running to represent "100 percent of America."
But the GOP candidate's remarks have clearly given an opening to Obama, who wove in multiple references to the video throughout his appearance in Virginia, a hotly contested battleground state.
A Washington Post poll released earlier this week found Obama had significantly expanded his lead in the state, edging out Romney by 8 points—52 percent to 44 percent.
At least 11,000 people turned out to see the president here—spreading across the outfield of a minor-league baseball stadium. Echoing his speech at the Democratic National Convention, Obama repeatedly insisted he needed another term to accomplish the "change" he promised as a candidate in 2008.
"We've always said that change takes more than one term or even one president. It certainly takes more than one party," Obama said, insisting he would work with Republicans if they were willing.
Making yet another reference to Romney's "47 percent" remark, Obama acknowledged that half the country didn't vote for him four years ago—and that half the country might not support him again in November. But he explained he was not running "to create Democratic jobs or Republican jobs" but rather "American jobs," and that he wasn't running to improve circumstances in "blue states" versus "red states." Obama insisted he's running to represent all Americans—whether he wins someone's vote or not.
"I still believe we are not as divided as our politics suggest," Obama said. "I still believe we have more in common than the pundits tell us."
To his supporters, he added, "I still believe in you, and I'm asking you to keep believing in me."
Seriously how many times have we all seen something some one on the right has said that the left could use to Destroy them, and they usually totally ignore it.
Well Obama must have got some sort of Spine implant to actually use Mittens words like this
Re: [Official Thread] 2012 US PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION
Posted: 2012-09-21 08:41pm
by Dalton
Early voting has started in a number of states. Given the current poll numbers, well...
Re: [Official Thread] 2012 US PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION
Posted: 2012-09-22 05:01am
by SirNitram
Flagg wrote:Well, Governor Blackface has finally released his 2011 taxes and a "summary" of his tax rates from 1990 to 2009. Classic Friday afternoon news dump.
I love how R-Money actively manipulated his taxes to pay his '13%' pledge. Of course, once the last vote is cast, he'll probably fire off an amendment to the IRS and get the full amount extra back.
Re: [Official Thread] 2012 US PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION
Posted: 2012-09-22 11:21am
by Darth Holbytlan
Reid responded to the release of Romney's tax 2011 tax return:
Harry Reid press release wrote:Reid Statement On Governor Romney’s Tax Returns
September 21, 2012
Washington, D.C.—Nevada Senator Harry Reid issued the following statement after Mitt Romney released today one year worth of tax returns, showing he paid a lower tax rate than most middle class Americans:
"The information released today reveals that Mitt Romney manipulated one of the only two years of tax returns he's seen fit to show the American people – and then only to 'conform' with his public statements. That raises the question: what else in those returns has Romney manipulated? We already know Romney has money in tax havens in Switzerland, Bermuda and the Cayman Islands. What we don't know is why he refuses to be straight with the American people about the choices he's made in his financial life. When will the American people see the returns he filed before he was running for president? Governor Romney is showing us what he does when the public is looking. The true test of his character would be to show what he did when everyone was not looking at his taxes.
"It's also galling to see the creative accounting Mitt Romney applied to his own tax returns only days after learning of his insulting comments that seniors, soldiers and hard-working parents don't pay enough taxes. Once again, we see Mitt Romney is out of touch with middle class families, who don't have the luxury of accounting wizards and foreign tax shelters. It's obvious he believes in two sets of rules: one for him, and one for the middle class. He says he wants to be president for only half the people but he acts like he only cares for the top two percent. Despite the fiscal cliff looming in just over three months, Mitt Romney refuses to explain the details of his tax policy. Will the policies he proposes benefit all Americans, or only multi-millionaires like him?"
Re: [Official Thread] 2012 US PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION
Posted: 2012-09-22 11:42pm
by Eframepilot
Dalton wrote:Early voting has started in a number of states. Given the current poll numbers, well...
In Iowa, Democrats have requested early voting ballots over Republicans by a ratio of six to one. Not a good sign for Romney...
Re: [Official Thread] 2012 US PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION
Posted: 2012-09-23 01:43am
by TimothyC
Eframepilot wrote:Dalton wrote:Early voting has started in a number of states. Given the current poll numbers, well...
In Iowa, Democrats have requested early voting ballots over Republicans by a ratio of six to one. Not a good sign for Romney...
Would you be so kind as to link to a source and any historic trend data?
Re: [Official Thread] 2012 US PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION
Posted: 2012-09-24 02:45pm
by Dalton
Hm. Mitt is making hay out of Obama referring to forthcoming issues in the Middle East as "bumps in the road" and that he will provide "real leadership". Somehow I doubt that this Pee-Wee Herman tactic will have any effectiveness given his past history of "I know you are but what am I" attacks.
Re: [Official Thread] 2012 US PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION
Posted: 2012-09-24 08:11pm
by Kuja
Dalton wrote:Hm. Mitt is making hay out of Obama referring to forthcoming issues in the Middle East as "bumps in the road" and that he will provide "real leadership". Somehow I doubt that this Pee-Wee Herman tactic will have any effectiveness given his past history of "I know you are but what am I" attacks.
"How can Mitt Romney expect to treat with other nations when he struggles to unsterstand his own?"
Re: [Official Thread] 2012 US PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION
Posted: 2012-09-25 08:17am
by jegs2
Got my absentee ballot in, and will likely be voting for Gary Johnson.
Re: [Official Thread] 2012 US PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION
Posted: 2012-09-25 09:47am
by Max
Why send an absentee ballot in for a person who has 0 chance of winning. I mean, it's effectively a non-vote and simply a waste of your time, no?
Re: [Official Thread] 2012 US PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION
Posted: 2012-09-25 11:19am
by Spoonist
Max wrote:Why send an absentee ballot in for a person who has 0 chance of winning. I mean, it's effectively a non-vote and simply a waste of your time, no?
I think the concept is called democracy...
My response would be that if US ever wants to have anything else than a two party system then, yes, people need to vote on the candidate they prefer, not the lesser of two evils.
If this grows that would create a statistical base for a debate on changing the system to something better. Maybe a two-round system like the french to improve democracy and voter turnout.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-round_system
Re: [Official Thread] 2012 US PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION
Posted: 2012-09-25 12:23pm
by Dalton
The more people are forced to believe that their choice is restricted to one of two parties, the less chance a third party has to gain any traction.
Re: [Official Thread] 2012 US PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION
Posted: 2012-09-25 05:52pm
by Dalton
Romney admits Obama never raised taxes
Clearly there's context, but I wonder if Mitt actually knows how to run a campaign.
Re: [Official Thread] 2012 US PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION
Posted: 2012-09-25 06:22pm
by Grandmaster Jogurt
Spoonist wrote:Max wrote:Why send an absentee ballot in for a person who has 0 chance of winning. I mean, it's effectively a non-vote and simply a waste of your time, no?
I think the concept is called democracy...
My response would be that if US ever wants to have anything else than a two party system then, yes, people need to vote on the candidate they prefer, not the lesser of two evils.
If this grows that would create a statistical base for a debate on changing the system to something better. Maybe a two-round system like the french to improve democracy and voter turnout.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-round_system
In addition, even without a change to the current system or rise of a new major party, a surge in support for a third party can have an effect on the current parties' policies. If the Greens get 8% of the vote, that tells the Democrats that they could gain ground by adopting green policies, or if the Libertarians get a large chunk, both parties could take from their platform.
An argument could be made on the merits between a vote between a lesser of two evils and the candidate you actually want, but between the candidate you want and
no vote at all there's no contest.
Re: [Official Thread] 2012 US PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION
Posted: 2012-09-25 06:23pm
by jegs2
Max wrote:Why send an absentee ballot in for a person who has 0 chance of winning. I mean, it's effectively a non-vote and simply a waste of your time, no?
From my own point of view, there is no real difference between Mr. Obama and Mr. Romney, save to which political special interest groups and lobbyists political favors will be owed. Both are
bought and paid for, IMO, and both will continue deficit spending,
continuing to run us off a cliff. So I don't care which of those two clowns win. In a perfect world,
both would lose.
So I choose
neither. At least Gary Johnson has a
plan.
Re: [Official Thread] 2012 US PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION
Posted: 2012-09-25 06:32pm
by UnderAGreySky
Yes, he has a plan.
An insane plan.
"Get the Federal Reserve out of the business of printing money and buying debt through quantitative easing."
Really?! *foreheadslap*
And anyone who thinks Obama and Romney are the same - or more importantly, their administrations will be the same - is delusional or just plain old stupid.
Re: [Official Thread] 2012 US PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION
Posted: 2012-09-25 06:39pm
by jegs2
To be certain, their talking points are different, but both of them would continue deficit spending, foreign interventionism, and the useless, failed, and expensive "war" on drugs. I'm just not enough of a sucker to swallow the talking points hook, line and sinker like so many.
Re: [Official Thread] 2012 US PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION
Posted: 2012-09-25 06:56pm
by Terralthra
jegs2 wrote:To be certain, their talking points are different, but both of them would continue deficit spending, foreign interventionism, and the useless, failed, and expensive "war" on drugs. I'm just not enough of a sucker to swallow the talking points hook, line and sinker like so many.
And those are the only three policy points that matter.