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Technically, it would be a lightscythe. Reaper refers to the person wielding the scythe. And while a scythe can be used as a weapon, you would be better off with, say, a sword or an axe. The Grim Reaper, after all, isn't a soldier. It's a farmer. Of souls.Lord Relvenous wrote:What is really ridiculus is the lightreaper. Really? A lightreaper? Now that's just stupid. It's already bad enough enough to assume that any effective medieval weapon would rock as a light weapon, but the reaper isn't even a real weapon! It's a symbol, not a combat item, and just because the Grim Reaper wields it does not make it uber-awesome.
cackle cackle cackleTechnically, it would be a lightscythe. Reaper refers to the person wielding the scythe. And while a scythe can be used as a weapon, you are right that you would be better off with, say, a sword or an axe. The Grim Reaper, after all, isn't a soldier. It's a farmer. Of souls.Lord Relvenous wrote:What is really ridiculus is the lightreaper. Really? A lightreaper? Now that's just stupid. It's already bad enough enough to assume that any effective medieval weapon would rock as a light weapon, but the reaper isn't even a real weapon! It's a symbol, not a combat item, and just because the Grim Reaper wields it does not make it uber-awesome.
cackle cackle cackleAs I recall, that's in the RotS novellisation. The 'Accuracy dispute' seems to question that; maybe it's in that 'Agents of Chaos' book. And, for that matter, given that it has name and appearance in common, if it does not resist energy in some funky way, why shouldn't it be real Electrum?nightmare wrote:Luckily it has only the name and color in common with real electrum. Ah, and where's the quote from? The movie doesn't agree with the novel in this scene.NecronLord wrote:Provided you coated it with 'electrum' (The list of things that'll block lightsabers is sometimes embarassing) or phrik or some such to prevent it simply being chopped in two.
Already covered by others.Lightwhip
Type: Flexible, wave-guide energy lash
Difficulty: Very Difficult
Skill: Lightwhip
Damage: 5D
Notes: If character misses base difficulty by 10+, whip strikes wielder. If character beats
base difficulty by 20+, the whip may wrap around the target doing 5D+/-Control damage
per round.
Due to merged physical/energy nature, when used against an armored target, use
Physical Armor -1D or Energy Armor, whichever is greater. Due to energy cocoon, may
be used to parry lightsabers, and even ensnare them. Must roll lightsaber Vs lightwhip
damage to see if they damage each other.
The lightwhip is the prized weapon of many Sith and Dark Jedi, but only a scant
handful of Jedi. Similar in many respects to the Force Lash, the Lightwhips were
harnessed energy coiled around incredibly strong, 2.5 to 4.5m long (length varies between
users, and is based, in part, on the builder's height), alloy whips. They can easily cut
through the strongest metals in the hands of a skilled user. Because the lightwhip is
flexible and unwieldy, it is very dangerous to the beginner, and those without any formal
training are as much a danger to themselves as they to others. In the hands of a skilled
user, however, the lightwhip is capable of deflecting blaster bolts and solid projectiles, in
addition to its formidable capabilities.
Not as retarded as the lightwhip and sounds cool at first. Still a LIGHT BOOMERANG ?? WTF were the designers thinking.Light Boomerang
Type: Energy field assisted boomerang
Difficulty: Variable (see below)
Skill: (A) Light Boomerang
Ranges: 2-10 (moderate)/20 (difficult)/60 (very difficult)
Damage: 5D
Notes: If throw or catch difficulty missed by >10, the boomerang either actives too early
(causing damage to user's hand), or isn't caught (inflicting damage randomly). Requires
the Light Boomerang Combat Force power to use.
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The light boomerang was at one time a highly prized weapon, used primarily by
Jedi who enjoyed showing off or where on the front lines of the Sith conflicts. Today,
there are none believed to still exist, and only a scant handful of scholars know of it's
existence. Like the light whip and force lash, it uses crystal, wave-guide and mirror
technology to create an energy field around the actual weapon. For safety reasons, it may
only be activated telekinetically, otherwise the user's hand would be instantly removed.
Once thrown, the Jedi would be able to guide his weapon against several targets in one
throw. Attempting to use this weapon without intense training is suicidal.
Sounds like those wrist blades built into the Protoss Zealot battle armour. This might actualy be of some use.Light Claws
Type: Energy-blade claws
Difficulty: Moderate
Skill: Melee Weapons: Lightclaws
Damage: 2D (It is believed that some models where as powerful as true lightsabers)
Notes: The Jedi may add the Damage + Control to their Climbing. They may also be used
to deflect blaster bolts.
This is an unusual weapon, used mainly by Dark Jedi Assassins. They may be
concealed in the sleeves of a tunic or robe. Each claw emits a pair of blades about a meter
long. They may also be used to help climbers.
Lightarrows ? Did the RPG designers watch too many cartoons ?Lightarrows (lightbows)
Skill: Bows (as for bow/crossbow type)
Power used: Force archery
Difficulty: as per bow type +5 (no possibility to accidentally damage yourself, though)
Damage: 3D [+ 1/2 Control]
Notes: you can't parry with arrows (obviously), but you can shoot them to deflect shots
aimed at anyone (using 1/2 of Sense). Also, when deflecting a shot aimed at him, a Jedi
may shoot at the attacker deflecting blaster bolt in flight and hitting him with his arrow.
However, this stunt is pretty difficult to pull off (add +5 to deflect difficulty and +10 to
attack difficulty). Also, the Jedi may try to control where the shot will go, but this is
terribly difficult, even for experienced Jedi (use 1/4 of Control and add +5 to "to hit"
difficulty for deflected shot). Also, if the Jedi deflects a shot aimed at a target outside of
short range, he must use TK to speed the arrow up (make a Moderate telekinesis roll).
Please note that this gives no increase in damage, as it is not Strength-based...
Description: Lightarrows must be made using Ilum crystals (no place for power source),
and the lightblade is rather weak and short (about 3-5 centimeters). Lightbows (as they
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were called by ignorants) were mainly used by Factotums for target protection (esp. if the
target did not want a Jedi protection, so nobody could be near him and deflect the bolt
with his saber). Some warriors also used them, but this was very rare... The most famous
lightbow-using Jedi was Tell, a blind Warrior with no hands. He used a crossbow with a
special durraloy bow, which had a pull of over 500 kgs. He cocked and aimed it with
telekinesis... And he used lightbolts only for target protection, because arrows shot from
his crossbow were so powerful he had no need of some lightblade fixed on them...
What- The- FCCK?The most famous
lightbow-using Jedi was Tell, a blind Warrior with no hands. He used a crossbow with a
special durraloy bow, which had a pull of over 500 kgs. He cocked and aimed it with
telekinesis... And he used lightbolts only for target protection, because arrows shot from
his crossbow were so powerful he had no need of some lightblade fixed on them...
Well at least there's no 'Light Armour'! (Lol Pun)Cao Cao wrote:Light bows?
If you're going to use one of those.. why not just use a blaster?
As for the rest.. have EU writers been playing too much Phantasy Star Online or what? I'm surprised there's not some sort of light-claymore too.
Ngghhhraaar!Starglider wrote:Urge to burn... entire EU... rising....
Most of her body, just like Vader, according to Betrayal. She's pretty much a torso as well.Knife wrote:What are you saying? That her lungs were FUBARed too?General Schatten wrote:Well she was Vader's Apprentice for a short time, and luke did nearly kill her by blasting her with an X-Wing.Tanasinn wrote:I find the Vader-esque panel on Lumiya's chest just as stupid as her shitty weapon.
And as an aside, I hate all the anti-lightsaber armor wank. It's just bullshit. If I recall correctly, at least Cortisis was brittle and made completely impratical regular armor. Pretty sure it had to be weaved into a mail and had like no resistance to blasterfire. So that was the trade off. Effective against lightsabers but not against anything else.Betrayal pg 410 wrote: "I lived, but it cost me. Cost me more than half of my body, inf act. My limbs, some of my organs..." She looked down at herself. "Cybernetic replacements."
Are you sure it was an X-Wing blast and not her eviscerating herself with that retarded lightwhip?Lord_Xerxes wrote:Most of her body, just like Vader, according to Betrayal. She's pretty much a torso as well.Knife wrote:What are you saying? That her lungs were FUBARed too?General Schatten wrote: Well she was Vader's Apprentice for a short time, and luke did nearly kill her by blasting her with an X-Wing.
It's such a phenomenally retarded idea. I'm incredulous that someone actually sat down and thought, "Light-crossbow? Firing little lightsaber bolts? Which you have to fucking wind up after every shot? Pre-Roman Empire technology in an age of rapid-fire highly destructive energy weapons? Fuck yeah!". I'm even more shocked that someone published this dreck, rather than having their pen taken away from them.Cao Cao wrote:Light bows?
If you're going to use one of those.. why not just use a blaster?
As for the rest.. have EU writers been playing too much Phantasy Star Online or what? I'm surprised there's not some sort of light-claymore too.
...wait a tick, that's one of the few things that actually makes some sense. A Jedi with either a big sheet of dense metal or one of those Gungan shields in addition to a lightsabre would be REALLY dangerous. And stormtroopers had lightsabres and shields in early artwork for Star Wars.If I ever see two characters dueling with lightsabres and shields, I will personally hunt and kill the author.
It's not the credibility I'm worried about - it's a science fiction universe turning into some sort of Fantasy with spaceships deal. It's probably me just being paranoid, though.Anguirus wrote:...wait a tick, that's one of the few things that actually makes some sense. A Jedi with either a big sheet of dense metal or one of those Gungan shields in addition to a lightsabre would be REALLY dangerous. And stormtroopers had lightsabres and shields in early artwork for Star Wars.If I ever see two characters dueling with lightsabres and shields, I will personally hunt and kill the author.
Star Wars has always been science fantasy. It has outright magic (renamed to 'The Force'), as well as a black knight, heroic farmboys, glowing swords, princesses and hidden fortresses. If you mean 'more fantasy than sci-fi', I suppose so, though I don't think the specifics of hand-to-hand combat are an issue there - the real problem is the larger scale stuff, particularly the EU authors desperate wish for the SW galaxy to be scaled down to the size of Middle Earth.Spearfish wrote:It's not the credibility I'm worried about - it's a science fiction universe turning into some sort of Fantasy with spaceships deal. It's probably me just being paranoid, though.
Quite the opposite. The idea that lightsabers can casually cleave through anything is unsupported by the films. And a no limits fallacy to boot. In numerous instances in the films, lightsabers are significantly impeded by solid materials, including the railings of the Emperor's Throne Room in Return of the Jedi, Lord Vader's armour in The Empire Strikes Back, the Floors of the Naboo reactor room in The Phantom Menace, the hull of Lord Dooku's starship in Attack of the Clones. Although all these could be considered to be some kind of effects flaw (notably the one in Return of the Jedi, which definately looks like it), it was [url=ttp://www.starwars.com/databank/technology/el ... ff/?id=bts]decided[/url] (according to the sources we have) deliberately by the design team of Revenge of the Sith that electrostaves of the Magna Guards should be lightsaber resistant.Lord_Xerxes wrote:And as an aside, I hate all the anti-lightsaber armor wank. It's just bullshit. If I recall correctly, at least Cortisis was brittle and made completely impratical regular armor. Pretty sure it had to be weaved into a mail and had like no resistance to blasterfire. So that was the trade off. Effective against lightsabers but not against anything else.
Not as retarded? That's the most retarded of the whole bunch. At least the others will sort of work as weapons and are just stupid, but this fucker's going leave you defenceless while you concentrate on guiding your would-be batarang, not to mention cut your hand off, or worse, when it comes back.Sarevok wrote:Not as retarded as the lightwhip and sounds cool at first. Still a LIGHT BOOMERANG ?? WTF were the designers thinking.
Back in the day, vibro weapons were the standard SW high-tech melee weapon. There are all kinds of them in the canon, vibro-knives in particular, along with laser knives. But I guess they were just too boring and non-shiny for the wank-loving EU authors.Dooey Jo wrote:Personally, I wonder why there aren't more light knives. I guess they would be too useful...
Behold the Shoto mini-lightsaber. Best used for fighting other lightwank weapons of course.Dooey Jo wrote:and the shorter, light-wakizashi, commonly used in the special Jedi skill, Force-seppuku
You forgot, that mini-lightsaber is made of "mass" whereas the other, green lightsaber is made of "energy".Starglider wrote:
Behold the Shoto mini-lightsaber. Best used for fighting other lightwank weapons of course.
PainRack wrote:You forgot, that mini-lightsaber is made of "mass" whereas the other, green lightsaber is made of "energy".
mini-lightsaber is made of "mass"
What??mini-lightsaber is made of "mass"
Those do look like an accident waiting to happen, as well as missing half the point of tonfa (as I understand them), in that they don't work as forearm guards/for parrying because lightsaber hilts don't stop lightsaber blades.Dooey Jo wrote:with the light-tonfa
In the Front Mission series of games, mechs can be equipped with a rocket powered tonfa to add power to punches.
Whoever wrote that has never played Front Mission.Starglider wrote:Incidentally I now have to give Squaresoft the award for the most retarded melee weapon ever invented:In the Front Mission series of games, mechs can be equipped with a rocket powered tonfa to add power to punches.