PS3=Longterm Gaming Wii=Gimmick Discuss

Resinence · Post by **Resinence** » 2007-06-10 03:30am

To be fair, the whole concept of playing games with a wiimote is utterly rediculous to some people. And they will NEVER like it, it just won't happen. Not defending 18, just saying. Personally I can't think of anything more fun than blowing away zombies in RE4 with a wiimote, infact I might buy a Wii just for RE4 and Metroid.

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2007-06-10 03:54am

Resinence wrote:To be fair, the whole concept of playing games with a wiimote is utterly rediculous to some people. And they will NEVER like it, it just won't happen. Not defending 18, just saying. Personally I can't think of anything more fun than blowing away zombies in RE4 with a wiimote, infact I might buy a Wii just for RE4 and Metroid.

And some people find the concept of playing games with a controller as opposed to a mouse and keyboard completely ridiculous. I'm not sure what your point is, other than spouting the obvious.

Lazarus · Post by **Lazarus** » 2007-06-10 07:00am

The 360 does have some reliability problems for sure, I bought mine second hand and its scratched my Gears disc which won't play anymore. I sent off for the labels to switch it out, but haven't gotten round to actually arranging pickup because I've been pretty busy, and it works with my other games. However, I'd still heartily recommend it, but then there's just no appeal in the PS3 for me. None of the game series', save for Killzone, interest me, I'm convinced blu-ray is the losing side in the format war...

As far as I'm concerned, the Wii is great for a casual gamer. If you're not a casual gamer, you're much better off with a 'proper' console - two of my friends have Wii's, and both say they've gotten bored with them and have gone back to their 360's (except for playing with friends, where the Wii is still better). The Wii gaming catalogue says it all really, the amount of 'fluff' games that provide amusement but little more is much greater, while there are less 'serious' titles.

Shroom Man 777 · Post by **Shroom Man 777** » 2007-06-10 07:07am

I'd like to have a Wii in the near future. Or a 360, since last I checked, 360 games can be pirated, and pirated games are the lifeblood of the Philippine gaming community

And damn, it seems like almost every argument 18 gets into ends up the same way.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2007-06-10 07:08am

Lazarus wrote:I'm convinced blu-ray is the losing side in the format war...

Not to drift off topic, but it actually isn't: it's winning.

From The Digital Bits:

HIGH-DEF MARKET SHARE - BRD VS HD-DVD SOFTWARE SALES (5/27/07 - Nielsen/VideoScan):

Week Ending 5/27
Blu-ray Disc: 69
HD-DVD: 31

Year to Date
Blu-ray Disc: 67
HD-DVD: 33

Since Inception
Blu-ray Disc: 58
HD-DVD: 42

Movie titles only (videogame titles not included) - Includes HD-DVD/DVD Combo Format

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2007-06-10 07:52am

Lazarus wrote:The 360 does have some reliability problems for sure, I bought mine second hand and its scratched my Gears disc which won't play anymore. I sent off for the labels to switch it out, but haven't gotten round to actually arranging pickup because I've been pretty busy, and it works with my other games. However, I'd still heartily recommend it, but then there's just no appeal in the PS3 for me. None of the game series', save for Killzone, interest me, I'm convinced blu-ray is the losing side in the format war...

Ironically, while I've had a noisy/hot 360 swapped myself, I find the reports of 360 'unreliability' on the net to be seriously exaggerated. Early faults that have been fixed are still waved about like they're relevant, which I think is quite misleading.

The wiimote is really the heart of the Wii split: regular nongamers love it, as complex controller layouts were a serious barrier to entry to people who don't already have the skill. Gamers hate it, because it's not what their skill is built for, and leans toward nonstandard games.

Xisiqomelir · Post by **Xisiqomelir** » 2007-06-10 12:14pm

Stark wrote:Ironically, while I've had a noisy/hot 360 swapped myself, I find the reports of 360 'unreliability' on the net to be seriously exaggerated.

You should read more enthusiast forums then.

Stark wrote:Early faults that have been fixed are still waved about like they're relevant, which I think is quite misleading.

What fixes? Every SKU is still on the same process as before.

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2007-06-10 01:23pm

People said the PSP would be around forever and the DS was a gimmick.

Don't write things off too soon, especially if you're a stupid frat boy.

VF5SS · Post by **VF5SS** » 2007-06-10 05:52pm

The PSP may be no DS in terms of popularity, but it's still going strong with some of its other great features such as the ability to emulate the world!

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2007-06-10 07:21pm

VF5SS wrote:The PSP may be no DS in terms of popularity, but it's still going strong with some of its other great features such as the ability to emulate the world!

Except you now have to downgrade the firmware to run homebrew, then re-flash the firmware to the current version to play actual games, which makes it quite a pain.

Meanwhile, all I do is plug in my M3 and my DS is running SNES emulators.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2007-06-10 07:30pm

Yeah, I don't think something's really a feature if the parent company actively attempts to prevent it.

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2007-06-10 10:48pm

"Longterm gaming" seems to be a retroactive excuse for forking over huuge amounts of money for a system that isn't useful for much than backwards compatability at this point. Considering all the revisions and updates the PS2 went through in its career (several at least, ,ending wth the slimline but I also have one of those old clunky boxlike ones too) buying it within the first year or two seems kinda pointless (unless as Mike says, you're doing it for status.)

Sony hasn't impressed me yet enough to want to fork over the money (and I'm not GOING to unless they pcik up some of the series I like following) so I'll wait there. Microsoft has fucked me over so many times in the past with my computer that I'm not about to trust them in console gaming (I never even once considered buying an Xbox, and unless there's something really REALLY good on 360 that I want to play, which so far looks to be Magna Carta 2, I'm not gonna bother.)

I'm most inclined to go for a Wii, but I am waiting on the game lists there too.

REally, I'm happy playing my PS2 still. There are lots of games still in the pipline I want (Persona 3 looks very nice) and I have e mtric buttload of PS2 and PSX games to play. I'm not exactly hurting for options.

What always and and always will win me over is the games, and the games aren't a big issue for any of the platforms yet.

VF5SS · Post by **VF5SS** » 2007-06-10 11:48pm

Praxis wrote: Except you now have to downgrade the firmware to run homebrew, then re-flash the firmware to the current version to play actual games, which makes it quite a pain.

The Open firmware doesn't have this problem.

jegs2 · Post by **jegs2** » 2007-06-11 01:44pm

My niece and nephew received a WII for Christmas. My wife seemed to enjoy playing it, but she's a big fan of the Final Fantasy series, which only Playstation seems to carry right now. That said, can't see plopping down 600 bucks for a video game console, so our PS2 will do fine for now. I tried out the WII, playing both the new Zelda game and the Medal of Honor (I think - it was a WW2 kill Nazis game), and I was disappointed. Since my wife likes Zelda stuff, I bought her a Zelda game and a Gamecube off of eBay.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2007-06-11 02:31pm

To be honest, I have a negative reaction whenever I hear the term "serious gamer". To me, "serious gaming" is like "serious masturbating"; it just sounds ridiculous.

Erik von Nein · Post by **Erik von Nein** » 2007-06-11 06:43pm

Darth Wong wrote:To be honest, I have a negative reaction whenever I hear the term "serious gamer". To me, "serious gaming" is like "serious masturbating"; it just sounds ridiculous.

Try talking to one for any amount of time about video games; it IS just as ridiculous.

Covenant · Post by **Covenant** » 2007-06-11 06:50pm

Darth Wong wrote:To be honest, I have a negative reaction whenever I hear the term "serious gamer". To me, "serious gaming" is like "serious masturbating"; it just sounds ridiculous.

There's a difference between people who play casual party games and people who like to play games that are more 'serious', but I think the term refers to people who are 'hardcore' or 'pr0' or l33t' gamers and such, and they're just pitiful, especially since they dress up these mediocre skill level games they play with a kind of mindless perfectionism that is hardly 'serious'. Games with deep strategy can still be fun and easy to pick up and don't need to be considered 'serious', while a lot of 'serious' gamers are just ones who play relatively shallow strategy games a whole hell of a lot.

That said, the Wii can be as serious as any platform since it has full internet connectivity. While the singleplayer games are really kid-ish and such, a game like God of War can be just as non-serious as Paper Mario, since the best you can do is play the game well. Does the PS3 have online capacity? I bet it does. I know the XBox is basically built around the idea, which makes it a lot more 'serious business' than a system that has limited access.

Nephtys · Post by **Nephtys** » 2007-06-11 06:50pm

Serious Gamers? Like those Korean superstars that are so serious about their game, that it's not fun in any sense of the word?

Pretty much. 'Serious Gamer' is a concept that seems to aim towards stuff that's not fun, but is of the type of game that someone with a lot more wastable time will get ridiculously good at, thanks to mechanics that are designed to be obtuse. (Ref: WC3/CS/other 'popular' games that are really pretty awful)

As for PS3 and 'Longterm Gaming'... Since when was a new console like a fine wine? Video game systems get /cheaper/ with time. So why make an 'investment', so when you can buy a system later, when it has actual games for it, and is cheaper? No game company is going to say 'Our product is so great, we're jacking up the price. Have fun.'

Nephtys · Post by **Nephtys** » 2007-06-11 06:51pm

On a slightly different note... Covie, I think we are one with the thought process.

Look at our post-times.

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2007-06-11 08:03pm

Nephtys wrote: No game company is going to say 'Our product is so great, we're jacking up the price. Have fun.'

Perhaps not in so many words, but close enough. . .

Post by **Dalton** » 2007-06-11 08:25pm

I have to say, I'm very happy with my Wii and the four or five games I have for it so far. We have friends over all the time, and there's nothing like breaking out Mario Party 8 or Wii Sports and having a great time. And this is before Super Mario Kart and Super Smash Brothers Brawl.

Aside from that, Nintendo is smart: they're not focusing on a limited demographic. My fianceé's parents had a ball with Wii Bowling, and that's after never even having touched the system before.

And that's not to mention the other great first-party games on the system. However, this highlights the one glaring problem with the Wii: third party games on the Wii simply aren't as good.

Also, to those who think the Wii control scheme is a gimmick, just look at the DS. Everyone called the touch-screen a gimmick when it first came out and there was a paucity of games. But now we are seeing a lot of really solid titles and the DS has become the fastest-selling console in Japanese history.

Nephtys · Post by **Nephtys** » 2007-06-11 09:21pm

The DS touch screen does not create by itself, good games. Pointing to sales means jack crap. That clearly means that 50 Cent Bulletproof is a superior game to Master of Orion II

Additional control options can be fun, but they don't turn something mediocre into something awesome.

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2007-06-11 09:31pm

I have a hard time calling the DS a "console". A handheld, yes, but a console? When I think of a console I think of a machine I can plug into a nice big TV and sit comfortably at a distance from while my hands wrap comfortably around the contours of the controller, not a tiny little controller-sized game system that I'm hunched over while squinting at a four-inch screen (or pair thereof). A handheld system game is also going to be much more restricted in scope by the constraining limits of the handheld system.

It seems to me like the 'console' and 'handheld' markets should be considered separately.

Ypoknons · Post by **Ypoknons** » 2007-06-12 09:52am

jegs2 wrote:I tried out the WII, playing both the new Zelda game and the Medal of Honor (I think - it was a WW2 kill Nazis game), and I was disappointed.

I never found those games quite so innovative - with the Wii, the thrill doesn't lie in the tradition precepts of game design, such as graphics and innovation on existing game types. The pleasure lies in moving, imagining you're actually doings something.

Try something different, like Raving Rabbids, Super Money Ball and of course, Wii Sports. Then you'll get something that's more than just an RPG where you stab your hand forward. And get some buddies over too.

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2007-06-12 12:49pm

Uraniun235 wrote:I have a hard time calling the DS a "console". A handheld, yes, but a console? When I think of a console I think of a machine I can plug into a nice big TV and sit comfortably at a distance from while my hands wrap comfortably around the contours of the controller, not a tiny little controller-sized game system that I'm hunched over while squinting at a four-inch screen (or pair thereof). A handheld system game is also going to be much more restricted in scope by the constraining limits of the handheld system.

It seems to me like the 'console' and 'handheld' markets should be considered separately.

You are saying a handheld console isn't a console?