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Isolder74 wrote: We do not know how long they were attached to the Star Destroyer or how long the chase actually took. We do know that by the time they left the side of the Avenger that they were no longer in the Hoth System but were in the Anoat system. Here Han says that its pretty far indicating that it will take a while to get there. It is highly possible that the ship did have a back up Hyperdrive that can only go so far and because its minimal in nature takes a while to get anywhere with it hence why its not much good for distances very long.

Perhaps the Star Wars equivalent of a balloon spare. It gets you going but not very well and will die fairly quickly.

The fact that Leia doesn't know where they are sorta implies at least one jump was made while they were attached.

Darth Ruinus wrote:Well, all the stuff he pointed out have already been explained by other here, the only inconsistency I never got, was how Han got from Hoth to Bespin, with no Hyperdrive. Can someone field this one?

It's explained very simply in "The NEW Essential Guide to Star Wars Chronology" That Han had a weaker backup hyperdrive just for these problems. And with Han's career choice it seems very likely that he would indeed have one of those

Tychu wrote:

Darth Ruinus wrote:Well, all the stuff he pointed out have already been explained by other here, the only inconsistency I never got, was how Han got from Hoth to Bespin, with no Hyperdrive. Can someone field this one?

It's explained very simply in "The NEW Essential Guide to Star Wars Chronology" That Han had a weaker backup hyperdrive just for these problems. And with Han's career choice it seems very likely that he would indeed have one of those

And Knowing Han his backup might have been messed with to make room for more normal hyperdrive goodies meaning that it works even less then the standard model would.

Lord Insanity wrote: Is there any good reason we should not assume "sub-light" engines only means way slower than hyperdrive and not actually slower than light. After all "lightspeed" means hyperdrive in the Star Wars lexicon so its not really any stretch to say "sub-light" only means sub-hyperdrive. All SW ships could have something analogous to warp drive as part of their main sub-light engines. While this would still be pittifully slow compared to hyperdrive it allows for a several hundered lightyear range between the systems in question. It also has a root in canon observation, that being "starlines" (real space FTL acceleration) preceding the jump to "lightspeed".

Well... you essentially hit on Mad theory about the "sublight" acceleration portion being past c.
The problem is that every technical comment we received in the official literature refers to sublight drives as the ion drives.

I don't see why you need to reinterpret the meaning of words just to get a fitting theory when the classic backup hyperdrive already works as an explanation. I'm perfectly willing to accept that "lightspeed" is used as shorthand for all speeds >c, like we use "supersonic" for all speeds over sound, but to make "sublight" mean "actually, lightspeed, but slower than normal light speed, while still being faster-than-light" just so you won't have to admit that the Falcon has an itty-bitty backup hyperdrive stowed in a nook somewhere is preposterous.

PainRack wrote:Well... you essentially hit on Mad theory about the "sublight" acceleration portion being past c.
The problem is that every technical comment we received in the official literature refers to sublight drives as the ion drives.

I don't think that was my theory...

Bounty wrote:I don't see why you need to reinterpret the meaning of words just to get a fitting theory when the classic backup hyperdrive already works as an explanation. I'm perfectly willing to accept that "lightspeed" is used as shorthand for all speeds >c, like we use "supersonic" for all speeds over sound, but to make "sublight" mean "actually, lightspeed, but slower than normal light speed, while still being faster-than-light" just so you won't have to admit that the Falcon has an itty-bitty backup hyperdrive stowed in a nook somewhere is preposterous.

Because part of the TESB radio drama says that the trip was made via sublight.

I don't think that was my theory...

It wasn't? Oops.............

Because part of the TESB radio drama says that the trip was made via sublight.

You wouldn't happen to have a quote?

Besides secondary lit, is there any reason not to assume Bespin the planet might have been in the Anoat system? Presumably Han was looking at his logs in relation to the Anoat system and Lando popped up as being on Bespin.

The Avenger might have given the Falcon a lift to the outskirts of the system and then Han and co. could have limped at sublight in to the system itself with no hyperdrive.

Just a thought: where does the theory of the Stardestroyers jumping [from wherever the Falcon hooked on] to "near Bespin" come from??

As I understood it Han makes the quip that "Stardestroyers dump their garbage right before going to lightspeed, we'll just detach and float off [with the garbage]"
To me this precludes the Stardestroyers from jumping somewhere else to dump rubbish.

Couple other things: Doesn't [when Han is flicking through some screen or something and makes the exclamation 'Lando'] Leia make the statement that she's never heard of a system called 'Lando', does this not suggest that they have some method to choose which star system they try and reach? If so they therefore seem to have at minimal some form of >C travel.
I could have sworn I've seen somewhere that either Bespin was part of the Anoat system [with Hoth in it] or that the Anoat system was somehow twinned with the system that has Bespin in it. (I'll see if I can find wherever I saw this).

s there any reason not to assume Bespin the planet might have been in the Anoat system?

Because it's consistently referred to as being in the Bespin system?

Just a thought: where does the theory of the Stardestroyers jumping [from wherever the Falcon hooked on] to "near Bespin" come from??

The Falcon hooked up somewhere outside the Hoth system's asteroid belt, which it reached on sublight. It detached in the Anoat system. Unless Han thought it'd be funny to just hang on to the ISD for months or years whil it shuffled to Anoat on sublight is rertarded. The ISD did at least one jump (maybe even with a garbage dump, who knows?) to get to Anoat, period.

And unless you honestly believe that Anoat and Bespin are within spitting distance despite Han's comments, or that the Falcon did a leisurely cruise of a few months to get to Bepsin with Fett patiently following it and not once calling for an easy-to-set Imperial ambush, the backup hyperdrive is the only sane (and canonically-supported) theory.

Because it's consistently referred to as being in the Bespin system?

*sigh* besides the secondary lititure......It was never called the Bespin system in the movies that I'm aware of.

PainRack wrote: The problem is that every technical comment we received in the official literature refers to sublight drives as the ion drives.

I would say that classifies as a good reason to discount "sub-light as really meaning sub-hyperdive" completely. Thus making Bounty correct in that a backup hyperdrive is the only good explanation.

Knife wrote:

Because it's consistently referred to as being in the Bespin system?

*sigh* besides the secondary lititure......It was never called the Bespin system in the movies that I'm aware of.

For some reason I took "secondary literature" as literally being books, but of course the games fall under this too. Mea culpa.

Bounty wrote:...the backup hyperdrive is the only sane (and canonically-supported) theory.

Bounty wrote:Mea Culpa

So have I. I obviously wasn't explicit with my questions. I was trying to argue for a backup hyper drive of some sort.
Specifically here:

The_Saint wrote:...does this not suggest that they have some method to choose which star system they try and reach? If so they therefore seem to have at minimal some form of >C travel.

My final point was that I thought I've seen somewhere a quote about the ANoat system (with Hoth) and another system [with Bespin] being abnormally close together that they are shown as [relative to any other two star systems] as being right next to each other. Wherever I saw it it would most definitely fall into "other literature", possibly rpg gaming or a map in a novel.

Bounty wrote:

Because part of the TESB radio drama says that the trip was made via sublight.

You wouldn't happen to have a quote?

Sadly...... SB archives seem to have deleted the relevant thread.

Ben's exact quote is:
"I don't remember ever _owning_ a droid." (Which is technically true. He was issued droids during the Clone Wars, but he didn't own them.)

It's already established he's not exactly being the most forthcoming in that sequence. What they think he's going to go:

Ben: "Why hello there R2."

Luke: "You know him."

Ben: "Yes he's your father's astromech droid who saw everything, and never had a memory wipe, who you can download all the gritty details from."

Yeah, that'd have been just brilliant.

FOG3 wrote: Ben: "Yes he's your father's astromech droid who saw everything, and never had a memory wipe, who you can download all the gritty details from."

Yeah, that'd have been just brilliant.

Actually wasn't he technically Padme's droid, on loan to Anakin to keep him out of trouble?

Darwin wrote:

FOG3 wrote: Ben: "Yes he's your father's astromech droid who saw everything, and never had a memory wipe, who you can download all the gritty details from."

Yeah, that'd have been just brilliant.

Actually wasn't he technically Padme's droid, on loan to Anakin to keep him out of trouble?

Padme gave R2 to Anakin after he was knighted (the exchange is shown in Clone Wars: Season 2, IIRC).

The ownership issue was a white lie by Kenobi (he *technically* never owned one? Yes, *technically* he never did but in practice he was the caretaker for at least one), but regardless, how's he going to recognise one particular droid out of the tens of thousands - or more - of that particular model? He should have been more suspicious about R2 claiming to "know" him, but it's not inconceivable that the thought of this R2 and that R2 from decades earlier being one and the same just never occurred to him.

Bounty wrote:The ownership issue was a white lie by Kenobi (he *technically* never owned one? Yes, *technically* he never did but in practice he was the caretaker for at least one), but regardless, how's he going to recognise one particular droid out of the tens of thousands - or more - of that particular model? He should have been more suspicious about R2 claiming to "know" him, but it's not inconceivable that the thought of this R2 and that R2 from decades earlier being one and the same just never occurred to him.

But once he knew that this was Leia's Droid you'd have to figure that he had to think this must be the R2-D2 that I knew then. After all he did say that R2 should be able to get into the entire Imperial Network with confidence.

After watching The message Obi One had to know this was The R2 he knew.

Isolder74 wrote:But once he knew that this was Leia's Droid you'd have to figure that he had to think this must be the R2-D2 that I knew then. After all he did say that R2 should be able to get into the entire Imperial Network with confidence.

After watching The message Obi One had to know this was The R2 he knew.

Remember the very thoughtful look on ObiWan's face? He knew then and there that this was R2, and that the Force had brought Leia's message to Luke, not him. The twins had to be brought together.

That is assuming that it wasn't already too late for Leia. Perhaps he knew that Luke would soon be leaving to save leia all along when he left Luke with Han in the control room.

Obi Wan wrote:"Stay and watch over the droids. They must bew delivered safely or other star systems will suffer the same fate as Alderaan. Your destiny lies on a different path then mine. The Force will be with you always."

How can there be inconsistencies in Star Wars?

Didn't Lucas plan all of the stories out in advance back in the early 70's?







PS: I'd have something better to contribute, but I'm already involved in a more energetic version of a thread like this in two other forums.