Nazi concentration camp guard found in Atlanta

Adrian Laguna · Post by **Adrian Laguna** » 2007-10-03 11:07am

Illuminatus Primus wrote:I'm appalled by this apologists' crowd's lack of any discernable ethical clarity. Can we really find it that difficult to hold fucking SS Nazi concentration camp guards accountable? Jesus

I do not see why a guard would be any more accountable than the German populace as a whole. If we're talking about standing around and doing nothing. It hardly matters whether you are passively accepting the situation in the comfort of home or doing so at the camp's gate. Now, if we're talking about a guard actively engaged in the abuse of prisoners then that's certainly higher in the scale of guilt.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2007-10-03 11:08am

Adrian Laguna wrote:
Illuminatus Primus wrote:I'm appalled by this apologists' crowd's lack of any discernable ethical clarity. Can we really find it that difficult to hold fucking SS Nazi concentration camp guards accountable? Jesus
I do not see why a guard would be any more accountable than the German populace as a whole. If we're talking about standing around and doing nothing. It hardly matters whether you are passively accepting the situation in the comfort of home or doing so at the camp's gate. Now, if we're talking about a guard actively engaged in the abuse of prisoners then that's certainly higher in the scale of guilt.

Ah yes, of course. I know that if I were ever imprisoned in a concentration camp and I tried to escape, I would be worried about being caught by the "general population" just as much as I worry about benig caught by the guards. Right?

WRONG. You're an imbecile.

Adrian Laguna · Post by **Adrian Laguna** » 2007-10-03 11:13am

Darth Wong wrote:Ah yes, of course. I know that if I were ever imprisoned in a concentration camp and I tried to escape, I would be worried about being caught by the "general population" just as much as I worry about benig caught by the guards. Right?

WRONG. You're an imbecile.

Okay point. Now, why hasn't anyone attacked the scenarios I posted earlier? I would honestly like to hear if there's a flaw in my reasoning, it just wouldn't do to be running around with faulty ideas.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2007-10-03 01:42pm

Adrian Laguna wrote:
Illuminatus Primus wrote:I'm appalled by this apologists' crowd's lack of any discernable ethical clarity. Can we really find it that difficult to hold fucking SS Nazi concentration camp guards accountable? Jesus
I do not see why a guard would be any more accountable than the German populace as a whole. If we're talking about standing around and doing nothing. It hardly matters whether you are passively accepting the situation in the comfort of home or doing so at the camp's gate. Now, if we're talking about a guard actively engaged in the abuse of prisoners then that's certainly higher in the scale of guilt.

I don't know, maybe because he was trained to loose dogs on people they were exterminating to keep them in line and were personally cognizant of what was going on since they worked there every fucking day? Are you a fucking moron? At the camp gate YOU ARE PARTICIPATING PERSONALLY IN EXTERMINATING PEOPLE.

Am I personally responsible executing and torturing detainees in CIA black sites because Crawford Caligula permits it and got elected while I was young and alive in America equal to that of a CIA guard there who sics dogs on illegally and unethically detained people? Jesus.

fgalkin2 · Post by **fgalkin2** » 2007-10-03 02:06pm

Adrian Laguna wrote:
Illuminatus Primus wrote:I'm appalled by this apologists' crowd's lack of any discernable ethical clarity. Can we really find it that difficult to hold fucking SS Nazi concentration camp guards accountable? Jesus
I do not see why a guard would be any more accountable than the German populace as a whole. If we're talking about standing around and doing nothing. It hardly matters whether you are passively accepting the situation in the comfort of home or doing so at the camp's gate. Now, if we're talking about a guard actively engaged in the abuse of prisoners then that's certainly higher in the scale of guilt.

"Passively accepting" my ass. He was actively training vicious attack dogs to tear human beings to pieces if they try to avoid the fate of being gassed, starved to death, worked to death, medically experimented upon, etc., and escape.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Adrian Laguna · Post by **Adrian Laguna** » 2007-10-03 03:14pm

Eh, I was making a reference to the scenarios I posited earlier. Which I noted do not apply to this guy. The overall point being that not all guards need necessarily be held accountable for anything. Mr. Attack Dog is not one of them. Maybe I should make another thread.

fgalkin2 · Post by **fgalkin2** » 2007-10-03 03:20pm

P.S. If you think that this fine upstanding gentleman used his dog-handling skills for "merely" guading the prisoners, or that he was "passively accepting" what was going on, you are sadly mistaken. Attack dogs were used to drive prisoners to the gas chambers.

Here's a testimony of an eyewitness at Treblinka

Abraham Goldfarb wrote:On the way to the gas chambers Germans with dogs stood along the fence on both sides. The dogs had been trained to attack people; they bit the men's genitals and the women's breasts, ripping off pieces of flesh. The Germans hit the people with whips and iron bars to spur them on so that they pressed forward into the "showers" as quickly as possible. The screams of the women could be heard far away, even in the other parts of the camp. The Germans drove the running victims on with shouts of: "Faster, faster, the water will get cold, others still have to go under the showers!" To escape from the blows, the victims ran to the gas chambers as quickly as they could, the stronger ones pushing the weaker aside.

Source

Then, of course, there is the infamous Irma Grese, who enjoyed setting attack dogs on prisoners just for the hell of it.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Adrian Laguna · Post by **Adrian Laguna** » 2007-10-03 03:24pm

Okay, new thread.

Oh and the guy in question can rot in hell. The apologist thing was inspired by this thread, but does not apply to the guy being discussed.

Big Orange · Post by **Big Orange** » 2007-10-04 06:53am

Frank Hipper wrote: Thanks, Alice; the incompleteness of that set, especially when we're talking about fucking Dachau, leaves me completely unsurprised.

Remember R.M. Schultz?

Adrian Laguna wrote: The people ordering the deaths are higher ranked than filing clerks, all the clerks do is pass the orders along and then archive them.

Like lobbing artillery shells or bombs to intentionally kill women, children and babies? The SS officers assigned to the maladministration of the Holocaust were serving a highly integral role in the systematic and institutional mass murder.