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Zablorg wrote:I'm noticing a pattern with her mindset. White males, you see, being the apparent majority, are allowed to be portrayed as evil scumbags from time to time. But when you have a minority, such as a woman or a black person portrayed as bad people than it stops being a message about bad people and starts being a message about bad people who are women and black.
That's a standard adjunct of the victim mentality. The victim is morally sanctified by their victim status. As a victim they can do nothing wrong: anything bad they do is the result of how they've been opressed, and any abuse they direct toward the "victimizer" is heroic rebellion.

Similarly, the "victimizer" can do nothing right. The only moral thing they can do is sit there and take the abuse that is percieved as their rightful comeuppance, and agree that they're horrible people. Anything else is them opressing the victim.

You can see how this might be an attractive philosophy for people who think of themselves as victims. It makes them feel entitled to special treatment, gives them a perfect moral get out of jail free card for any questionable actions, and allows them to pin the responsibility for everything that goes wrong in their life on someone else.
Zixinus wrote:I wonder if she has a deficient sex-drive or something. I mean, doesn't she think that woman can lust after a man without pressure? The very notion seems unthinkable.
I'm going to paraphrase something Darth Wong said in another thread. Imagine you had a disease that made chocolate taste like shit to you. If you were a rational person you might wonder at why everybody likes something you hate. But if you were an arrogant person you would conclude that chocolate really must taste like shit to everyone and they're just pretending it tastes good for some reason, and you've discovered the big secret of chocolate.

I hate to sound like I'm stereotyping but you notice a lot of these rad fems seem to have had bad experiences with men in their lives. They take those bad experiences and extrapolate a universal human condition out of them. If you look at rad fem rhetoric it's full of broad-brush generalizations where they take things that are true in some cases (porn depicts women in degrading situations, prostitutes are exploited victims) and insist that they're true in all cases.
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One can only wonder how she reacted to "Heart of Gold," which was an episode that was almost entirely about a brothel of whores taking on a powerful, mysgonistic, dominating male land baron and winning.

Not to mention that I spotted at least two outright lies in her post, both regarding Mal's "unprovoked" punching of Simon in the pilot.

I'm tempted to do a detailed, by-character breakdown of her analysis of male versus female speaking parts as well, which might be enlightening as to who is talking the most - especially when one factors in that one of the female characters is an "actions speak louder than words" sort, another spends a good quarter of the pilot unconscious, and a third only enters the storyline halfway through the pilot, also spends most of it unconscious, and is an insane, gibbering wreck who can barely form a coherent sentence.
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I do hope she'll write up a reaction to Heart of Gold. It'll be hilarious to see how she spins that one into sexism and anti-feminism. Maybe she'll just keep citing the fact that they're whores.
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This reminds me, in a way, of the guy who was fervently opposed to Nineteen Eighty-Four because it promoted Communism... :roll:

These radical feminists never quite cease to amaze me, in a profoundly negative way. Their irrational and fanatical beliefs in vast conspiracies against themselves and the general evilness (biological or conditioned) of the male sex are for all intents and purposes perfectly comparable to those of Nazis and other fringe racist lunatics. I do wonder sometimes what the emergence of such movements says about our culture...

On the actual topic, has the fact by any chance escaped her that Joss Whedon's series all promote feminism, multiculturalism and homosexual rights? That women are consistently shown to be morally and intellectually superior to men in them? That the Religious Right is consistently portrayed as an enemy? That Buffy, Angel and Firefly all have homosexual/bisexual protagonists?

In short, is she being intentionally dishonest or just delusional?



(Then again, her definition of rape probably says it all... :roll: )
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loomer wrote:I do hope she'll write up a reaction to Heart of Gold. It'll be hilarious to see how she spins that one into sexism and anti-feminism. Maybe she'll just keep citing the fact that they're whores.
Weak, foppish women who can't solve their problems saved by violent men who are paid in sex. They're just swapping one male master for another.

See? It's a game anyone can play! :)
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Stark wrote:Weak, foppish women who can't solve their problems saved by violent men who are paid in sex. They're just swapping one male master for another.

See? It's a game anyone can play! :)
I found a comment on the original page that I think worthy of reposting:
phargle wrote:Howdy!

I'm a fan of counter-intuitive thinking, so I was intrigued by your post when I was directed to it by someone who disagrees with your conclusion. What you've presented is obviously well-researched - I was particularly amused by the verbal analysis, which appears to have revealed some subconscious archetyping on the part of the script-writers. You got me thinking: what sort of plot would you find to not be anti-feminist? Every plot of which I can conceive can be construed as hateful to women from the perspective of your blog post:

"Pretty girls fight evil and save the day." -> "Why do female heroes have to be reduced to eye candy?"

"Ugly lesbians fight evil and save the day." -> "Whedon has created his female heroes as carictures of everything men find hateful, and through that correlates the image of strong, heroic women with what men find hateful."

"Neutral-looking women of no apparent sexual orientation fight evil and save the day." -> "The female leads are all stripped of their female characteristics and fade into the scenery, essentially putting them into the kabuki role of female servitude in which they should be neither seen nor heard."

"No women are in the show at all." -> "Buffy presents a world in which women have been wiped out, and the guys run around wisecracking and fighting evil and having a grand old time. They are winking at genocide."

. . . do you see where I'm coming from? As much as I love counter-intuitive thinking, I wonder if your admitted biases have put you in a position where everything is anti-feminist, nothing is pro-feminist, and anti-women subplots can be found lurking behind every bush. If there's a plot that would pass your scrutiny, I'm curious what it would be.

Thank you for your time.
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Darth Hoth wrote:I found a comment on the original page that I think worthy of reposting:
It's mainly notable for actually staying up, as usually the crazy author cheerfully and unashamedly deletes anything even slightly critical.
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Stark wrote:
loomer wrote:I do hope she'll write up a reaction to Heart of Gold. It'll be hilarious to see how she spins that one into sexism and anti-feminism. Maybe she'll just keep citing the fact that they're whores.
Weak, foppish women who can't solve their problems saved by violent men who are paid in sex. They're just swapping one male master for another.

See? It's a game anyone can play! :)
Additionally, she'll probably spend most of the time harping about how the baron is a sexist asshole who thinks women are nothing but property and sex toys. Mal's decision to avoid fighting him and simply evacuating the women will be distorted as some sort of pissing match with Inara or Mal wanting to claim all the whores as his own or some similarly insane bullshit, rather than sound, practical thinking and self-preservation.

She'll ignore the male prostitutes entirely. :P The mistress of the house, rather than being strong and unwilling to roll over and die for someone else's convenience (evidenced by her taking the whore house from its previous manager and refusing to run away and abandon what she'd worked for), will be portrayed as a vicious attack against feminists by Joss Whedon because she slept with Mal.

I simply can't wait for her review of Our Mrs. Reynolds. Let's see, Saffron portrays HERSELF as a simpering, submissive, and subservient sex slave (except for the wedding ceremony, we have no idea if the Triumph colony actually treats women this way; we only have her word on it.) in order to gain the trust of the crew and in an attempt to seduce and disable Mal. Zoe doesn't like her, mostly because of her behavior toward Wash. Wash thinks she's just innocent and, when she DOES attempt to seduce him, he bemusedly refuses, stating that he's faithful to his wife and that she'd kill him if he ever did cheat on her. Mal refuses to take advantage of her until she pressures him into it, and is immediately knocked out by the narcotic on her lips. Shepherd Book tells Mal that he's going to "the special hell, reserved for child molestors and people who talk in the theater" if he takes sexual advantage of her and does everything he can to be kind to her. Kaylee I don't remember interacting with her much. Jayne, being the simplest member of the crew and always one to respond to his most primitive urges, DOES try to trade his favorite gun to Mal for her. I expect this to be played up by the feminazi, and Mal's refusal to treat Saffron as property will likely be ignored entirely. Inara is just weird.

And of course, she was doing all of this deliberately so as to hijack the ship and have it "salvaged", demonstrating all the while that she is intelligent, resourceful, and strong of will. This will be ignored in favor of complaining about the subservient role she pretended to be in, or harping about how she's just another dishonest, evil woman in Joss Whedon's universe of female oppression. :roll:
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What would she make of the original story having the baron's wife as the one so desperate for an heir?
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Obviously, the baron's wife is yet another example of a subservient woman desperate to please her abusive husband and is indicative of Joss Whedon's sick, sick fantasies.

I mean, don't you get that? :P
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Swindle1984 wrote:The Black Guy tells Mal that he's going to "the special hell, reserved for child molestors and people who talk in the theater" if he takes sexual advantage of her and does everything he can to be kind to her.
Fixed it for you.
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I -- I'm surrounded tonight by people of extraordinary courage, and I know a thing or two about courage myself because I read a book with some courage in it one time. And it sounds really like a lot of work so I’ll just keep writing.

I write. The most courageous thing I've ever done is something called a press junket, which is actually pretty courageous, believe me, because they ask you the same questions over and over and over and over and over and over. I've done as many as 48 in a day, these interviews, and they really -- they don’t come up with the fresh stuff. So, there is one question that I've been asked almost every time I’ve been interviewed. So I thought tonight, briefly, I would share with you one question and a few of my responses. Because, when you're asked something 500 times, you really start to think about the answer. So now, I will become a reporter. It’s going to be amazing, the transformation.

So, Joss, I, a reporter, would like to know, why do you always write these strong women characters?

I think it’s because of my mother. She really was an extraordinary, inspirational, tough, cool, sexy, funny woman and that’s the kind of woman I've always surrounded myself with. It’s my friends, particularly my wife, who is not only smarter and stronger than I am but, occasionally taller too. But, only sometimes, taller. And, I think it -- it all goes back to my mother.

So, why do you write these strong women characters?

Because of my father. My father and my stepfather had a lot to do with it, because they prized whit and resolve in the women they were with above all things. And they were among the rare men who understood that recognizing somebody else’s power does not diminish your own. When I created Buffy, I wanted to create a female icon, but I also wanted to be very careful to surround her with men who not only had no problem with the idea of a female leader, but, were in fact, engaged and even attracted to the idea. That came from my father and stepfather -- the men who created this man, who created those men, if you can follow that.

So, why do you create these strong, how you say, the women -- I’m in Europe now, so, it’s very, it’s international -- these -- I don’t know where though -- these strong women characters?

Well, because these stories give people strength, and I've heard it from a number of people, and I've felt it myself, and its not just women, its men, and I think there is something particular about a female protagonist that allows a man to identify with her that opens up something, that he might -- an aspect of himself -- that he might be unable to express -- hopes and desires -- he might be uncomfortable expressing through a male identification figure. So it really crosses across both and I think it helps people, you know, in -- in that way.

So, why do you create these strong women characters?

Cause they’re hot.

But, these strong women characters…

Why are you even asking me this?! This is like interview number 50 in a row. How is it possible that this is even a question? Honestly, seriously, why are you -- why did you write that down? Why do you -- Why aren’t you asking a hundred other guys why they don’t write strong women characters? I believe that what I am doing should not be remarked upon, let alone honored and there are other people doing it. But, seriously, this question is ridiculous and you just gotta stop.

So, why do you write these strong women characters?

Because equality is not a concept. It’s not something we should be striving for. It’s a necessity. Equality is like gravity, we need it to stand on this earth as men and women, and the misogyny that is in every culture is not a true part of the human condition. It is life out of balance and that imbalance is sucking something out of the soul of every man and women who’s confronted with it. We need equality, kinda now.

So, why do you write these strong female characters?

Because you’re still asking me that question.

Thank you very much for including me tonight.

Thank you all.
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Let's Watch A Girl Get Beaten To Death. This is not my blog, but I don’t have a blog, or a space, and I’d like to be heard for a bit.

Last month seventeen year old Dua Khalil was pulled into a crowd of young men, some of them (the instigators) family, who then kicked and stoned her to death. This is an example of the breath-taking oxymoron “honor killing”, in which a family member (almost always female) is murdered for some religious or ethical transgression. Dua Khalil, who was of the Yazidi faith, had been seen in the company of a Sunni Muslim, and possibly suspected of having married him or converted. That she was torturously murdered for this is not, in fact, a particularly uncommon story. But now you can watch the action up close on CNN. Because as the girl was on the ground trying to get up, her face nothing but red, the few in the group of more than twenty men who were not busy kicking her and hurling stones at her were filming the event with their camera-phones.

There were security officers standing outside the area doing nothing, but the footage of the murder was taken – by more than one phone – from the front row. Which means whoever shot it did so not to record the horror of the event, but to commemorate it. To share it. Because it was cool.

I could start a rant about the level to which we have become desensitized to violence, about the evils of the voyeuristic digital world in which everything is shown and everything is game, but honestly, it’s been said. And I certainly have no jingoistic cultural agenda. I like to think that in America this would be considered unbearably appalling, that Kitty Genovese is still remembered, that we are more evolved. But coincidentally, right before I stumbled on this vid I watched the trailer for “Captivity”.

A few of you may know that I took public exception to the billboard campaign for this film, which showed a concise narrative of the kidnapping, torture and murder of a sexy young woman. I wanted to see if the film was perhaps more substantial (especially given the fact that it was directed by “The Killing Fields” Roland Joffe) than the exploitive ad campaign had painted it. The trailer resembles nothing so much as the CNN story on Dua Khalil. Pretty much all you learn is that Elisha Cuthbert is beautiful, then kidnapped, inventively, repeatedly and horrifically tortured, and that the first thing she screams is “I’m sorry”.

“I’m sorry.”

What is wrong with women?

I mean wrong. Physically. Spiritually. Something unnatural, something destructive, something that needs to be corrected.

How did more than half the people in the world come out incorrectly? I have spent a good part of my life trying to do that math, and I’m no closer to a viable equation. And I have yet to find a culture that doesn’t buy into it. Women’s inferiority – in fact, their malevolence -- is as ingrained in American popular culture as it is anywhere they’re sporting burkhas. I find it in movies, I hear it in the jokes of colleagues, I see it plastered on billboards, and not just the ones for horror movies. Women are weak. Women are manipulative. Women are somehow morally unfinished. (Objectification: another tangential rant avoided.) And the logical extension of this line of thinking is that women are, at the very least, expendable.

I try to think how we got here. The theory I developed in college (shared by many I’m sure) is one I have yet to beat: Womb Envy. Biology: women are generally smaller and weaker than men. But they’re also much tougher. Put simply, men are strong enough to overpower a woman and propagate. Women are tough enough to have and nurture children, with or without the aid of a man. Oh, and they’ve also got the equipment to do that, to be part of the life cycle, to create and bond in a way no man ever really will. Somewhere a long time ago a bunch of men got together and said, “If all we do is hunt and gather, let’s make hunting and gathering the awesomest achievement, and let’s make childbirth kinda weak and shameful.” It’s a rather silly simplification, but I believe on a mass, unconscious level, it’s entirely true. How else to explain the fact that cultures who would die to eradicate each other have always agreed on one issue? That every popular religion puts restrictions on women’s behavior that are practically untenable? That the act of being a free, attractive, self-assertive woman is punishable by torture and death? In the case of this upcoming torture-porn, fictional. In the case of Dua Khalil, mundanely, unthinkably real. And both available for your viewing pleasure.

It’s safe to say that I’ve snapped. That something broke, like one of those robots you can conquer with a logical conundrum. All my life I’ve looked at this faulty equation, trying to understand, and I’ve shorted out. I don’t pretend to be a great guy; I know really really well about objectification, trust me. And I’m not for a second going down the “women are saints” route – that just leads to more stone-throwing (and occasional Joan-burning). I just think there is the staggering imbalance in the world that we all just take for granted. If we were all told the sky was evil, or at best a little embarrassing, and we ought not look at it, wouldn’t that tradition eventually fall apart? (I was going to use ‘trees’ as my example, but at the rate we’re getting rid of them I’m pretty sure we really do think they’re evil. See how all rants become one?)

Now those of you who frequent this site are, in my wildly biased opinion, fairly evolved. You may hear nothing new here. You may be way ahead of me. But I can’t contain my despair, for Dua Khalil, for humanity, for the world we’re shaping. Those of you who have followed the link I set up know that it doesn’t bring you to a video of a murder. It brings you to a place of sanity, of people who have never stopped asking the question of what is wrong with this world and have set about trying to change the answer. Because it’s no longer enough to be a decent person. It’s no longer enough to shake our heads and make concerned grimaces at the news. True enlightened activism is the only thing that can save humanity from itself. I’ve always had a bent towards apocalyptic fiction, and I’m beginning to understand why. I look and I see the earth in flames. Her face was nothing but red.

All I ask is this: Do something. Try something. Speaking out, showing up, writing a letter, a check, a strongly worded e-mail. Pick a cause – there are few unworthy ones. And nudge yourself past the brink of tacit support to action. Once a month, once a year, or just once. If you can’t think of what to do, there is this handy link. Even just learning enough about a subject so you can speak against an opponent eloquently makes you an unusual personage. Start with that. Any one of you would have cried out, would have intervened, had you been in that crowd in Bashiqa. Well thanks to digital technology, you’re all in it now.

I have never had any faith in humanity. But I will give us props on this: if we can evolve, invent and theorize our way into the technologically magical, culturally diverse and artistically magnificent race we are and still get people to buy the idiotic idea that half of us are inferior, we’re pretty amazing. Let our next sleight of hand be to make that myth disappear.

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Oh come on, she probably just saw the "What is wrong with women?" there and didn't have to read anything past that.
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Joss Whedon, Equality Now Tribute Address wrote: So, why do you create these strong women characters?

Cause they’re hot.
Poor Joss, he just can't win. Portraying strong women makes him a chauvanistic asshole who thinks women are nothing more than "sexy", and portraying weak women makes him an abusive asshole.

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But, these strong women characters…

Why are you even asking me this?! This is like interview number 50 in a row. How is it possible that this is even a question? Honestly, seriously, why are you -- why did you write that down? Why do you -- Why aren’t you asking a hundred other guys why they don’t write strong women characters? I believe that what I am doing should not be remarked upon, let alone honored and there are other people doing it. But, seriously, this question is ridiculous and you just gotta stop.
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I read it as something different (though not entirely). Joss is too much of a wuss (he probably needs to force emotional support from his wife to feel strong, naturally) to actually say that to someone. It's more of a wish for the future to be now. Hoping that today the concept of a strong female lead is so common place, so normal that it's not worth discussing. That the divide between male and female characters worth looking up to or using as inspiration is so blurred as to be non existent.

I think. It's Monday and early so I blame that for my inability to think.
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Our batshit feminist has done it again! With... Our Mrs. Reynolds!

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A few nuggets of gold:
If you want to show your encouragement and support for women who defend themselves from men, then write a female character that kills a man who is trying to kill her AND GETS AWAY WITH IT.
I guess Buffy, Willow, that demon chick, Zoe, River, and Inara don't count.
Here the audience is supposed to notice that there are two sorts of men in the world; good men: Mal, and bad men: Jayne. Me? I see two rapists. Only difference is that one is in a two-dollar-shop disguise as a unicorn.
So, uh. That's nice. I guess that's the same way that there are no male feminists in her world. I think I'm in love with her, but I always fall for the crazy ones.
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I don't see much interest: its just "men are bad and everybody that says otherwise is a liar" ad infinitum. Personally, I feel that its like trying to decipher a code to try to follow her logic.
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She completely ignores the fact that Mal DOESN'T WANT the women as her slave. As expectable.

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She completely ignores the fact that Mal DOESN'T WANT the women as her slave. As expectable.
Actually, reading on a bit, she doesn't: she simply describes Mal as an "unicorn".
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In general, this blogger seems to think very little of murdering men. I agree with her that our society is, unfortunately, a patriarchy, however I don't think our definitions of feminism are the same. I'm a feminist who thinks men and women are equal; she thinks that women should be favored in all things.

Case in point: she finds the rather merciless character of Patience to be sympathetic, and wishes that Joss Whedon had had her succeed at cheating Mal. Why? Because Patience is a woman.

No wonder she thinks male feminists are mythological: she's using the wrong definition of feminism. If a male ever truly fit her definition of feminism, i expect he'd have a serious problem with self-hatred.

I wonder if she is the first person *ever* to watch Firefly who thinks that Zoe is JEALOUS of Saffron. :lol:
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A bit later Mal talks about how he likes to wear dresses with Inara. “Like woman,
I am a mystery,” he says of his enjoyment of wearing dresses. Sorry, Joss, score zero for that one. Women aren’t a mystery, WE ARE FULLY CONSCIOUS HUMAN BEINGS.
Fuck that shit. I guess "mystery" and "woman" are mutually exclusive, huh? It's not like to the average male women are shit-hard to read and... and...


You know what, if she thinks labeling "women are a mystery" as sexist, than I seriously think she's mentally challenged.
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(bright, casual) I suppose so. If you take sexual advantage of her, you’re going to burn in a very special level of hell. A level they reserve for child molesters and people who talk at the
theater. (My emphasis.)

Now, that comment right there indicates to me that our dear Mr. Whedon is a porn user. And that it is highly likely that his pornography of choice is Hustler, given that he seems to think it funny to trivialise the sexual abuse of children. How many times has Joss wanked to our degradation in Hustler while chuckling away at Chester the Molester cartoons?
WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK IS PIECE OF FUCKING FUCKED UP FUCKING FUCK???

WHERE does she jump to this conclusion? If there's a connection I'm just not fucking getting it. This essay went from amusing to painful.
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What gets me is that she cannot distinguish character from "innermost feelings of author." Do Wash and Zoe have a perfect relationship? No. Is Wash presented as a paragon of moral virtue? Also no...in fact, almost no one in the show is. While Whedon may often speak through his characters, labeling Wash perverted for a brief appreciation of Saffron's cooking skills, and then by extension attacking Whedon, is so far removed from logical thought that it's almost disorienting.

The show intentionally makes light of Jayne's moral failings from time to time. On numerous occasions the other characters belittle him, or intentionally use him as an example of what not to do. Perhaps in real life, associating with someone like Jayne would be a negative sign, but in the somewhat-lighter world of the show, a character like Jayne is clearly comic relief and not author mouthpiece. This blogger advocates his pre-emptive murder or imprisonment for things he says. But then again, try Googling the women she holds as prime examples of righteous defense against men, and you'll see that whatever else this woman is, she's consistent. Never mind that if she paid any attention to the show, she'd know that if Jayne tried to assault anyone on the ship Mal would throw him out an airlock. If Jayne wasn't on Serenity, he'd probably cause significantly more harm.
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Never mind that if she paid any attention to the show, she'd know that if Jayne tried to assault anyone on the ship Mal would throw him out an airlock.
No, she'd just see that as another symptom of Mal's desire to possess people. His insistence that they are his crew would further her idea that he's an abusive asshole.
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Never mind that if she paid any attention to the show, she'd know that if Jayne tried to assault anyone on the ship Mal would throw him out an airlock.
No, she'd just see that as another symptom of Mal's desire to possess people. His insistence that they are his crew would further her idea that he's an abusive asshole.
As opposed to, maybe, him being protective of them and loyal to them, something that would have been ingrained in him from the war.

Then again, this stupid feminazi can't even seem to wrap her head around the concept that when you're in the military, you call your superiors "sir" and follow the orders of your superiors, so I'm guessing the slightly more subtle concept of loyalty and comraderie that is part and parcel of being a soldier is completely lost on her.
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Zablorg wrote:
BOOK
(bright, casual) I suppose so. If you take sexual advantage of her, you’re going to burn in a very special level of hell. A level they reserve for child molesters and people who talk at the
theater. (My emphasis.)

Now, that comment right there indicates to me that our dear Mr. Whedon is a porn user. And that it is highly likely that his pornography of choice is Hustler, given that he seems to think it funny to trivialise the sexual abuse of children. How many times has Joss wanked to our degradation in Hustler while chuckling away at Chester the Molester cartoons?
WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK IS PIECE OF FUCKING FUCKED UP FUCKING FUCK???

WHERE does she jump to this conclusion? If there's a connection I'm just not fucking getting it. This essay went from amusing to painful.
I think part of my brain broke trying to understand her thought process here. Seriously, my head started hurting like fuck when I read this and it only gets worse every time I try to make sense of it.

Oh, and of course, Joss is racist because the black guy says the line.

Whiskey, Tango, Foxtrot, interrogative, over. :x
White male husband wishing his black female wife was more submissive and cooked his dinner. Anyone else see a problem with this?
Oh for fuck's sake, spouses do nice things for each other because they love one another, not because one is some sort of slave to the other, you sick, stupid bitch. Somebody get her psychiatric help before she pisses off the wrong asshole and he or she fuck-starts her head.
Here the audience is supposed to notice that there are two sorts of men in the world; good men: Mal, and bad men: Jayne. Me? I see two rapists. Only difference is that one is in a two-dollar-shop disguise as a unicorn.
So, wait, Mal, who gets laid exactly once throughout by the series at the promptings of the woman, is a rapist? Mal, who defends Saffron from Jayne's predations? I suppose if I opened the door for this crazy bitch she'd start shrieking at me that I was making some homo-erotic display of strength and dominance over her?
Given that Mal nobly believes in protecting the female members on board his ship from the ravages of ‘the world’ (read: men), I find it hard to credit that he allows Jayne to stay on board his ship. In this scene Jayne talks of women as sexual and domestic property, obviously unaware that women are human beings. Men who think like this about women ARE DANGEROUS. If Mal did care about the protection of women, he would have spaced Jayne immediately, or at least locked the fucker up.
I must have missed all the times Mal keeps Jayne in check and the time he literally threw Jayne in the airlock to space him for his behavior.

Jayne would be just another thug if he'd stayed with his previous crew; over time, he's picked up something of a conscience and social graces from Mal's crew and while he is still incredibly simple and controlled almost entirely by his most basic urges, he has gotten better as a human being.
On another level, the trading of women and the naming of Phallic weapons, the sharing of homoerotic tales of male violence (Jayne’s story of how he acquired his gun), this is part of the larger romance of the show, the homoerotic, masculine connection between Mal and Jayne.
Ah yes, as soon as a gun appears on screen in the hands of a man, it is a phallic symbol. Nevermind that Zoe's mare's leg is the biggest gun anyone on the ship besides Jayne possesses and she carries it far more often than Jayne carries any of his big guns. I named my semi-automatic AK-47 clone Mathilda; that doesn't mean it has some sort of sexual gratification for me. :shock: As for phallic imagery, if I could kill something at 200 yards with my penis then I wouldn't need a gun, now would I. :roll:

And how the fuck is Jayne's explanation of where he got his gun and why it has sentimental value to him "homoerotic"? Where is she getting this "larger romance of the show" as being some homo-erotic relationship between Mal and Jayne? Jayne is Mal's attack dog, and Mal is the one who keeps him on his leash until he needs him set loose. There is absolutely nothing sexual about their relationship. This woman has more issues than National Geographic.

Seriously, she is nuttier than squirrel shit and is filled with rage and hatred. She needs professional psychiatric help before she hurts somebody.
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