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I think i'll jump on this bandwagon...

Humans are omnivores, so PETA are working against the natural order of the species.

Does the organization have to do anything, or just flaunt their defiance of the PETA???

I'm personally too lazy to participate in much, but I do believe that the PETA give vegetarians a very bad name.

3rd Impact wrote:I think i'll jump on this bandwagon...

Humans are omnivores, so PETA are working against the natural order of the species.

You live in a cave with a medium size social group that practice polygyandry with a rigid male dominance structure, do you?
So do you use Oldowan tools or just eat your kills without skinning?

Simon H.Johansen wrote:Does the organization have to do anything, or just flaunt their defiance of the PETA???

I'm personally too lazy to participate in much, but I do believe that the PETA give vegetarians a very bad name.

Nah, just flaunt their defiance of PETA and mock them on the basis of their complete stupidity and ignorance.

innerbrat wrote:

3rd Impact wrote:I think i'll jump on this bandwagon...

Humans are omnivores, so PETA are working against the natural order of the species.

You live in a cave with a medium size social group that practice polygyandry with a rigid male dominance structure, do you?
So do you use Oldowan tools or just eat your kills without skinning?

Huh?

PETA IS working against natural processes of the food chain. Humans are the main predatory animal in most areas of the world, and in those areas, if humans never hunted (responsibly and ethically, that is) or ate animals, then the ecosystem would most likely collapse.

All members please check the first post. I have added a member list, if you are a member, and your name is not added, please tell me. If you are not a member, and wish to become a member, tell me also please.

Hmmm... interesting, I'll just follow the crowd and join. And yes, humans are suppose to eat meat.

You should just make it the Anti-Idiot League. Then maybe I'd consider joining.

I'll join.

NF_Utvol wrote:

innerbrat wrote:

3rd Impact wrote:I think i'll jump on this bandwagon...

Humans are omnivores, so PETA are working against the natural order of the species.

You live in a cave with a medium size social group that practice polygyandry with a rigid male dominance structure, do you?
So do you use Oldowan tools or just eat your kills without skinning?

Huh?

PETA IS working against natural processes of the food chain. Humans are the main predatory animal in most areas of the world, and in those areas, if humans never hunted (responsibly and ethically, that is) or ate animals, then the ecosystem would most likely collapse.

The ecosystem has ALREADY collapsed in the late Pliestocene, due to the overhunting of megaherbivores *(read: mammoths, Irish elk, South Amercian marsupials etc) by humans. Not to mention the desertification of the Amazon Basin and major areas of Africa because of overintensive animal farming. Don't start on the 'natural order of things' crap with me, because there is no natural order.

Omnivores means we can eat meat, It doesn't mean we have to.

NF_Utvol wrote:All members please check the first post. I have added a member list, if you are a member, and your name is not added, please tell me. If you are not a member, and wish to become a member, tell me also please.

::jumps and waves hands::

Put me on the list!

Definately in!

innerbrat wrote:The ecosystem has ALREADY collapsed in the late Pliestocene, due to the overhunting of megaherbivores *(read: mammoths, Irish elk, South Amercian marsupials etc) by humans. Not to mention the desertification of the Amazon Basin and major areas of Africa because of overintensive animal farming. Don't start on the 'natural order of things' crap with me, because there is no natural order.

Omnivores means we can eat meat, It doesn't mean we have to.

Uhm, last time I talked to a group of biologists about this, that isn't what they have said, and isn't what I have observed. In the rural area I live in, as well as the rest of the rural eastern United States, humans are the main predatory animals. As long as laws are abided by and animals are not overhunted, then it is all just fine. In fact, without hunting, the deer and elk populations as well as the small game populations would explode. There would be overpopulation and the spread of disease. Food sources would not last through the winter and the majority of the herds would be killed. The winter in Tennesse can be very harsh, and if animals run out of the fairly small food source of hardwood mast, then they will die, and without controled hunting, they WILL run out of this food supply. Currently, there is no other way to get around this. Don't give me the 'NO natural order of things' crap, because in this area, you are wrong, plain and simple, no argument about it. There is still an ecosystem, and it is very well balanced here. Now, I am not speaking for the entire world, because there are areas where humans have screwed things up. But not here. We have successfully maintained a healthy level of large game populations for the last 40 years, ever since deer rose back to a sustainable level through conservation and re-introduction.

ATTN NEW MEMBERS:

Please put 'Member of the Anti-PETA Anti-Facist League' in your sig.

NF_Utvol wrote:ATTN NEW MEMBERS:

Please put 'Member of the Anti-PETA Anti-Facist League' in your sig.

Is "Member AP/AFL" acceptable?

I wonder what PETA people think about guide dogs, since many of them believe you are not supposed to have any pets at all. I realize a guide dog is not a pet, but it come close.

*Parachutes into thread
and proceeds to hijack it
with several divisions
of fallschirmjaeger*

"Anti-Fascist League, eh?"

TrailerParkJawa wrote:I wonder what PETA people think about guide dogs, since many of them believe you are not supposed to have any pets at all. I realize a guide dog is not a pet, but it come close.

[ PETA mode] Stop enslaving that defenseless animal! I said stop! Look at me when I command you! What are you, blind? *BLAM* *BLAM*[/PETA mode]

MKSheppard wrote:"Anti-Fascist League, eh?"

::B-17 and B-24 bombers proceed to flatten the nearest fascist troop concentration::

NF_Utvol wrote:

Simon H.Johansen wrote:Does the organization have to do anything, or just flaunt their defiance of the PETA???

I'm personally too lazy to participate in much, but I do believe that the PETA give vegetarians a very bad name.

Nah, just flaunt their defiance of PETA and mock them on the basis of their complete stupidity and ignorance.

Does this mean I can be a member just by heckling PETA's occasional weird activities??

TrailerParkJawa wrote:I wonder what PETA people think about guide dogs, since many of them believe you are not supposed to have any pets at all. I realize a guide dog is not a pet, but it come close.

WTF? They're against having pets????
Considering some owners I know cherish their pets more than humans, and some pets have a "royal" life, this is just stupid.

These people ARE weird.

Two things

innerbrat wrote:The ecosystem has ALREADY collapsed in the late Pliestocene, due to the overhunting of megaherbivores *(read: mammoths, Irish elk, South Amercian marsupials etc) by humans.

I doubt that much of this had to do exclusively because of humans who were few in number back then and much of the South American mursupials were wiped out before the arrival of humans and because of the introduction of predatory animals from North America.

second, humans are the main predatory animals in some areas because the natural predatory animals were wiped out by humans.

NF_Utvol wrote: In the rural area I live in, as well as the rest of the rural eastern United States, humans are the main predatory animals. As long as laws are abided by and animals are not overhunted, then it is all just fine. In fact, without hunting, the deer and elk populations as well as the small game populations would explode. There would be overpopulation and the spread of disease. Food sources would not last through the winter and the majority of the herds would be killed. The winter in Tennesse can be very harsh, and if animals run out of the fairly small food source of hardwood mast, then they will die, and without controled hunting, they WILL run out of this food supply. Currently, there is no other way to get around this. Don't give me the 'NO natural order of things' crap, because in this area, you are wrong, plain and simple, no argument about it. There is still an ecosystem, and it is very well balanced here. Now, I am not speaking for the entire world, because there are areas where humans have screwed things up. But not here. We have successfully maintained a healthy level of large game populations for the last 40 years, ever since deer rose back to a sustainable level through conservation and re-introduction.

As AP said, there reason there are no natural predators in that area of the US is because agricultural communites have removed all natural predotrs which would also threat domestic animals. There may be a carfeully maintained ecosystem, but it is not a naturally maintained one if it needs to be regulated by human laws.
Human hunters do not use natural hunting methods - last thing I knew about hunting they were using guns, metal traps and other artifical (i.e not natural) methods. Humans may be a predator, but they're not the natural predator anywhere outside of sub-Saharan Africa, had haven't even been that for many thousands of years.

AP - the human impact on the late Pleistocene extinctions was different in different areas, and may have also been affected by climate, but in North America and Australia there seem to be very strogn correlations between huamn migrations and extinctions.

The reason laws are in place are to keep jerkwads from taking advantage of their ability to overhunt game. Ethical hunters take what only they can eat, and take no more. As long as that happens, then the ecosystem stays balanced, and everythign is fine and dandy.

True, humans might have driven out predators thousands of years ago, but, that gives even more of a reason for humans to remain predatory. It keeps the herbivore population in balance, and keeps disease in the herbivore herds in check.

innerbrat wrote:

NF_Utvol wrote: In the rural area I live in, as well as the rest of the rural eastern United States, humans are the main predatory animals. As long as laws are abided by and animals are not overhunted, then it is all just fine. In fact, without hunting, the deer and elk populations as well as the small game populations would explode. There would be overpopulation and the spread of disease. Food sources would not last through the winter and the majority of the herds would be killed. The winter in Tennesse can be very harsh, and if animals run out of the fairly small food source of hardwood mast, then they will die, and without controled hunting, they WILL run out of this food supply. Currently, there is no other way to get around this. Don't give me the 'NO natural order of things' crap, because in this area, you are wrong, plain and simple, no argument about it. There is still an ecosystem, and it is very well balanced here. Now, I am not speaking for the entire world, because there are areas where humans have screwed things up. But not here. We have successfully maintained a healthy level of large game populations for the last 40 years, ever since deer rose back to a sustainable level through conservation and re-introduction.

As AP said, there reason there are no natural predators in that area of the US is because agricultural communites have removed all natural predotrs which would also threat domestic animals. There may be a carfeully maintained ecosystem, but it is not a naturally maintained one if it needs to be regulated by human laws.
Human hunters do not use natural hunting methods - last thing I knew about hunting they were using guns, metal traps and other artifical (i.e not natural) methods. Humans may be a predator, but they're not the natural predator anywhere outside of sub-Saharan Africa, had haven't even been that for many thousands of years.

AP - the human impact on the late Pleistocene extinctions was different in different areas, and may have also been affected by climate, but in North America and Australia there seem to be very strogn correlations between huamn migrations and extinctions.

Large quote, small question. What, exactly, is unnatual about humans?

Ontop of that, what is unnatual about using the enviroment as tools?