Korto wrote:Oh, for god's sake, court-martial the idiot for treason, for giving aid and comfort to the enemy, because that's what he did. Anti-US groups would make a meal over like this. Even if the case falls through, it might drive home how important this whole "Hearts and Minds" thing is supposed to be.
Seconded.
This fuckhead just got at least 3 people killed and is probably going to be responsible for quite a few more before this runs it course. Let's not forget, they're still pissy over the cartoons. And that was comparatively, quite minor.
Korto wrote:Oh, for god's sake, court-martial the idiot for treason, for giving aid and comfort to the enemy, because that's what he did. Anti-US groups would make a meal over like this. Even if the case falls through, it might drive home how important this whole "Hearts and Minds" thing is supposed to be.
Seconded.
This fuckhead just got at least 3 people killed and is probably going to be responsible for quite a few more before this runs it course. Let's not forget, they're still pissy over the cartoons. And that was comparatively, quite minor.
Bullshit. Yes, he was stupid. Yes it was a huge mistake. Yes he should be punished. But he DID NOT get anybody killed by this act. The people that can't fucking control themselves killed those people. Islam is not just a book. It is not just what is in the book. He didn't shoot fucking Islam, he shot a fucking book.
And, yes and lets NOT forget that these people are still upset about a cartoon. A CARTOON. These people, these radical Islamic fundamentalists or whatever are fucking ridiculous. Their actions are their own just like any one else's.
It's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark... and we're wearing sunglasses.
Hit it. Blank Yellow (NSFW)
What he should have done, is considered for half a fucking second the consequences of his actions.
Sadly, it would appear that he didn't and as a consequence, he's set back relations (not that it's particularly hard), caused riots (again, not particularly hard) and due to those factors, people have died.
Did he directly cause this? No.
Should he have been able to see this coming? Hell yes. What the fuck did he think the Islamic world's reaction would have been. The same people who went ballistic over a cartoon. Maybe he should have thought of what would have happened in his shitty, Bumfuck Nowhere, redneck hicksville hometown if some durned Mexican had shot up a bible.
It's a simple case of a stupid fuckhead doing something that he really should have known better than to do, and they need to mount his hide on the barndoor as an example to the other troops and also to try and recover a bit of the opinion that has been lost in the eyes of the people who live in the occupied territory.
And this is why this should have been covered up, and the soldier punished quietly.
Instead, the media screeches their head off about it, and three people are dead.
Is what he did stupid? Yes. He should have known better than to do something that would inflame volatile Muslims in anger over the desecration of their holy book. Does he deserve to be punished? Hell yes
On the other hand, the Media should have known better than to tell everyone about it, thus waving this red flag in front of these muslims who then proceeded to riot over it. I suppose ratings and big stories are more important than trying to avoid inciting rioting that ends in deaths, huh?
I consider every party involved in this - soldier, rioters, media - all to be shitheads who have made reprehensibly poor choices.
"The 4th Earl of Hereford led the fight on the bridge, but he and his men were caught in the arrow fire. Then one of de Harclay's pikemen, concealed beneath the bridge, thrust upwards between the planks and skewered the Earl of Hereford through the anus, twisting the head of the iron pike into his intestines. His dying screams turned the advance into a panic."'
KlavoHunter wrote:And this is why this should have been covered up, and the soldier punished quietly.
Instead, the media screeches their head off about it, and three people are dead.
Is what he did stupid? Yes. He should have known better than to do something that would inflame volatile Muslims in anger over the desecration of their holy book. Does he deserve to be punished? Hell yes
On the other hand, the Media should have known better than to tell everyone about it, thus waving this red flag in front of these muslims who then proceeded to riot over it. I suppose ratings and big stories are more important than trying to avoid inciting rioting that ends in deaths, huh?
I consider every party involved in this - soldier, rioters, media - all to be shitheads who have made reprehensibly poor choices.
I'm sorry, but when did the Iraqi police become part of the media? That's who found the book. This was coming down with or with out CNN trying to jack it's ratings. The difference is report it as it's happening or report it after the fact. Do you think that either one would make a difference in the decision for the nut jobs to riot?
It's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark... and we're wearing sunglasses.
Hit it. Blank Yellow (NSFW)
weemadando wrote:What he should have done, is considered for half a fucking second the consequences of his actions.
Sadly, it would appear that he didn't and as a consequence, he's set back relations (not that it's particularly hard), caused riots (again, not particularly hard) and due to those factors, people have died.
Did he directly cause this? No.
Should he have been able to see this coming? Hell yes. What the fuck did he think the Islamic world's reaction would have been. The same people who went ballistic over a cartoon. Maybe he should have thought of what would have happened in his shitty, Bumfuck Nowhere, redneck hicksville hometown if some durned Mexican had shot up a bible.
It's a simple case of a stupid fuckhead doing something that he really should have known better than to do, and they need to mount his hide on the barndoor as an example to the other troops and also to try and recover a bit of the opinion that has been lost in the eyes of the people who live in the occupied territory.
Of course he should have used his brain, that's not in doubt from anyone, but to blame these deaths on this single man is ridiculous. It's like you are absolving the people that actually COMMITTED MURDER because some one was being insensitive and they had their feelings hurt. I'm sorry? When is that acceptable?
If this was an Iraqi Police sniper and he was using the U.S. flag for target practice and U.S. citizens killed some people while rioting about it, there is no way in hell the blame would get back to the cop. We would be putting it squarely on the shoulders of the people that couldn't control themselves in the mob.
And to some how twist this into him committing treason? Come on.
It's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark... and we're wearing sunglasses.
Hit it. Blank Yellow (NSFW)
I'm not saying that the people who flipped out and killed people should be absolved of anything, I'm saying that the reason for them flipping and killing people was this guys actions and he should have seen this shit coming.
Treason, maybe a little steep (actually a lot steep), but the point remains that they need to do everything short of actually crucifying this guy to make a point that this is the kind of retarded shit that you just don't EVER do.
havokeff wrote:Of course he should have used his brain, that's not in doubt from anyone, but to blame these deaths on this single man is ridiculous. It's like you are absolving the people that actually COMMITTED MURDER because some one was being insensitive and they had their feelings hurt. I'm sorry? When is that acceptable?
You sound exactly like every flag-waving Budweiser-drinking Bush-voting idiot who screamed in righteous outrage when people accurately characterized 9/11 as the inevitable blowback for American policies in the Middle East. "How dare you say it's our fault! It's the fault of the people flying those planes!" That objection DOES NOT REFUTE THE CLAIM, moron.
"It's not evil for God to do it. Or for someone to do it at God's command."- Jonathan Boyd on baby-killing
"you guys are fascinated with the use of those "rules of logic" to the extent that you don't really want to discussus anything."- GC
"I do not believe Russian Roulette is a stupid act" - Embracer of Darkness
"Viagra commercials appear to save lives" - tharkûn on US health care.
This is not a question of right or wrong. Everyone posting on this forum knows it. But you are assuming the same rational mentality from what amounts to be an islamic mob. Forget about moral high ground here. Your country is basicaly trying to get a bunch of crazies to stand down. And to do that you reduce number of terrorists spawning every day. Needless to say this kind of provocative activity only does the reverse.
What this soldier did was essentialy handing over some Aks and RPGs to pissed off insurgents. If that is not treason then what is ?
I have to tell you something everything I wrote above is a lie.
