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Darth Raptor wrote:Yeah, I'd like to think we could all refrain from ruining this with petty, personal bullshit. We'd be seeking his council on tanks, not moral philosophy. Shep definitely knows his stuff. I second the motion to recruit NecronLord.

Yes, EU-Fic is greater than any one man.

I don't know if they'd be interested or even available, but Brother-Captain Gaius, Darth Fanboy, Duchess of Zeon, Eleventh Century Remnant, Ford Prefect, Imperial Overlord, phongn and Stark are all worth hitting up.

Comments on these proposals? I have not been around long enough to know them all, and some I know by name only.

I am unsure of some (not because I think they're unworthy or have mixed opinions, but simply can't place enough knowledge with the name), but Fanboy, The Duchess, Eleventh Century, Ford Perfect, Overlord, phongn, Stark should all be consulted. Also Ender, no one has mentioned him, but his tech knowledge is without equal.

I think Darth Wong, Vympel, Sea Skimmer, and Publius deserve mentioning too, though I'm sure they were unmentioned this far only because their selection is so obvious as to not need repeating.

I'm available and interested. The proposal of using Publius's master work as a base and working on generally reconciling the massive amount of stupid in the EU without spending too much time on is definitely the way to go.

Illuminatus Primus wrote:I am unsure of some (not because I think they're unworthy or have mixed opinions, but simply can't place enough knowledge with the name), but Fanboy, The Duchess, Eleventh Century, Ford Perfect, Overlord, phongn, Stark should all be consulted. Also Ender, no one has mentioned him, but his tech knowledge is without equal.

Sounds good to me.

I think Darth Wong, Vympel, Sea Skimmer, and Publius deserve mentioning too, though I'm sure they were unmentioned this far only because their selection is so obvious as to not need repeating.

Those were my thoughts exactly.

There's no shortage of people on this board capable of making valuable contributions. While we are on that subject, Connor deserves a mention.

The trick is finding those with both the time and the inclination.

The posters I mentioned aren't exactly PSW regulars. All but BCG, phongn and Stark (I believe) are writers, but they would be invaluable as fluff writers and quality control. I can vouch for their talent and, in the case of Fanboy, Duchess and Remnant, their familiarity with SW, for whatever that's worth. Ford Prefect and Imperial Overlord are just good writers in general. Which also brings Surlethe, JME2 and Pablo Sanchez to mind. I like to think I'm a decent writer, but I'm not a very good story teller. I think I could do very well on a collaborative project like this, with people to reject my stupid ideas and keep me from writing myself into a corner. I've been wanting to do something like this for a LONG time.

I'm curious enough about the general concept proposed to offer support,, though I am unclear exactly what is being suggested. Will this project essentially be an encylopedic compilation of the canonical post-Ep. VI timeline edited to better accomodate the implied scale and magnitude of Star Wars society, sprinkled with various anecdotal short stories and the occasional graphic. Is it a historical narrative along the lines of one of Publius's articles, or are you aiming for full-fledged rewrites of various publications?

This sounds like an excellent idea. I once toyed with the idea of revamping TTT and setting it in the chronological space that the Jedi Academy occupied this spring, but unfortunately I never got around to it.

I humbly submit my efforts and capacities to any endeavor that my fellow forum members feel suitable for my admittedly limited abilities.

Hope that wasn't too presumptuous.

As a suggestion, I think that the Crystal Star should be reworked to be more of an enterprise on the part of Tremayne and the Inquisitors rather than it just being Hethrir's show (there would also have to be a way to make Waru fit better into continuity with the extra dimensional business. Tying him into the Celestial sounds more cleaner). I would have favored junking the entire business but the Jedi Academy lore has recently made it somewhat palatable. Just my idle thoughts.

TC Pilot wrote:I'm curious enough about the general concept proposed to offer support,, though I am unclear exactly what is being suggested. Will this project essentially be an encylopedic compilation of the canonical post-Ep. VI timeline edited to better accomodate the implied scale and magnitude of Star Wars society, sprinkled with various anecdotal short stories and the occasional graphic. Is it a historical narrative along the lines of one of Publius's articles, or are you aiming for full-fledged rewrites of various publications?

The actual rewrites won't come until Vector Prime and the NJO. Then way later there's the prequel reboot. Before that the focus will be on the aforementioned items in boldface.

With a heavy emphasis on stories; I don't want it to get so bogged down by exposition, the research, and arguing over it that nothing ever really happens.

Imperial Overlord wrote:There's no shortage of people on this board capable of making valuable contributions. While we are on that subject, Connor deserves a mention.

I included the ASVS old guard because I thought it would be easier than trying to be comprehensive and failing.

Illuminatus Primus wrote:With a heavy emphasis on stories; I don't want it to get so bogged down by exposition, the research, and arguing over it that nothing ever really happens.

Fuck yes. Most of the EU commits the cardinal sin of being absolutely no fun to read. The stupidity is just the icing on the urinal cake. They should be like Matt Stover's Caine books or Brian Daley's Han Solo series, being first and foremost a hell of a ride.

I'll be glad to help out, though don't ask me to actually write any stories (fiction is one area I definitely am weak at)

I'd be happy to participate in any discussions regarding this effort, although I would be unable to participate in any actual writing projects due to time constraints.

Good idea guys!

Could someone do a quick list of what all these acronyms mean? I'm getting some of them, but some I have no clue about.

Revy wrote:Could someone do a quick list of what all these acronyms mean? I'm getting some of them, but some I have no clue about.

Which ones?

The ones that are likely to get used, or are used commonly here. I have no clue about OT. I think TTT means The Trawn Trilogy, though I'm not sure. NJO is New Jedi Order, right? TNOiP, TNOaW, TUF, PSW - ?

Revy wrote:The ones that are likely to get used, or are used commonly here. I have no clue about OT. I think TTT means The Trawn Trilogy, though I'm not sure. NJO is New Jedi Order, right? TNOiP, TNOaW, TUF, PSW - ?

TNOIP: The New Order in Power
TNOAW: The New Order at War, a hypothetical sequel work to TNOIP.
TUF: The Unifying Force
PSW: Pure Star Wars (this forum)
OT: Original Trilogy
PT: Prequel Trilogy

OT=Original Trilogy
PT=Prequel Trilogy
TTT=The Thrawn Trilogy
TFU=The Force Unleashed
TNOiP=The New Order In Power (Publius's work)
TNOaW=The New Order at War (Publius's work)
PSW=Pure Star Wars
NJO=New Jedi Order
LOTF=Legacy of the Force
BFC/T=Black Fleet Crisis/Trilogy
ICS=Incredible Cross Sections
DE=Dark Empire
NR=New Republic

There are tons more, but those are some that get referenced most IIRC=If I recall correctly.

TEGt(X) can also refer to The Essential Guide to (_________). TNEGt(X) is the New Essential Guide to (__________). ITW also refers to Inside The Worlds.

EDIT: PSW is this forum.

I hereby lay claim to revising the numbers involved in the X-wing series, including re-touching the Battle of Coruscant. And Warlord Zinj's fleet, and Han's fleet that was sent after him.

Not that I automatically think this is a bad idea, but what qualifies you guys as "being able to write good stories" beyond hating Karen Traviss?

I say the magic factor is Serious Editors. Editors who are not afraid to keep continuity and call out the bad-stuff.

Illuminatus Primus wrote:(like, "well since galactic-scale invasion fleets can cross to SW, how there's been now systematic exploration, contact, trade, or invasion by SW powers to other galaxies?"

it was because the people in the Star Wars Galaxy were superstitious about the area of space around the galaxy that was hard to pass through in hyperspace-likely the same mental thought that made people think the world is flat in this galaxy.

- if that never happens, the question never gets poised, similar to the problem with the armies of autonomous battle droids in the PT, begging the question why anyone ends up bothering with organics at all).

Because they were horrible in wars against living troops, right?

Illuminatus Primus wrote:With a heavy emphasis on stories; I don't want it to get so bogged down by exposition, the research, and arguing over it that nothing ever really happens.

We should have at least a rough outline for the timeline ready before we start with the stories/fluff. But that should not take too long to manage, given that changes will for the most parts not affect overall plots in very significant ways.

By the way, Illuminatus, has Darth Wong responded to the PM you sent yet?

Ender wrote:Not that I automatically think this is a bad idea, but what qualifies you guys as "being able to write good stories" beyond hating Karen Traviss?

I was hoping that, given that we would be able to recruit enough valued contributors, we would pick up some good writers. Further, since I envisioned EU-Fic to be a collaborative effort, I imagined that we would set up mechanisms for fact-checking and quality control that would edit and approve stories before they were launched.

Saxtonite wrote:

Illuminatus Primus wrote:(like, "well since galactic-scale invasion fleets can cross to SW, how there's been now systematic exploration, contact, trade, or invasion by SW powers to other galaxies?"

it was because the people in the Star Wars Galaxy were superstitious about the area of space around the galaxy that was hard to pass through in hyperspace-likely the same mental thought that made people think the world is flat in this galaxy.

And that makes sense how? The explorers of Earth's past were limited by technology and economic considerations, not superstition (indeed, science had mostly discredited the "Flat Earth" idea already in Columbus's time); once the other factors had been dealt with, conservatism did not hold them back.

- if that never happens, the question never gets poised, similar to the problem with the armies of autonomous battle droids in the PT, begging the question why anyone ends up bothering with organics at all).

Because they were horrible in wars against living troops, right?

Ehm, no. While an individual B1 'droid was slightly worse than a clone (a fact that seldom applied to other models, at that), the costs (in time and money) for manufacture and programming, as opposed to raising living armies, were also much lower, enabling their leaders to swamp their enemies. There are also obvious factors such as co-ordination, psychology, home-front morale, et cetera, that speak in the favour of 'droid armies.

(Others can probably explain this better than I, but those are the basics.)