Ultimate Sci-Fi Barfight

[Coyote]

Yeah... it's just drunken fisticuffs, folks.

Also, if you consider "Lost" as sci-fi, you have choices of Sawyer, Jack, Sayyeed, Locke and Cate. Possibly consider Desmond and Danielle too, if you like. Any two. The way alliances shift around on Lost, any two of them could be allies at any given moment, so...

My choices would be Sawyer and Locke.

[Marcus Aurelius]

Although really I'd drop SG-1 all together and put in john Sheridan and michael Garbaldi

Neither one was that impressive in hand-to-hand combat, merely competent, although Garibaldi certainly had guts. The best human martial artist in B5 was Marcus Cole, who had been taught the Minbari martial arts, which are pretty much the B5 version of über Kung Fu / Karate / whatnot, and apparently he was as good in them as some of the Minbari warrior caste members.

[Marcus Aurelius]

would adding Obi Wan to the fight be considered unfair?

Probably it would be considered a wank. If Obi Wan is allowed, I would bring in Kai from LEXX. It's pretty hard to beat a dead man in a bar fight.

[The Guid]

Can I suggest that on the later Star Treks instead of throwing in Riker and Word we bring in some Deep Space Nine? Worf is a little bit more effective in that, and he could be lead alongside Sisko who just seems to love the crazy hand to hand fighting. Or maybe Kira, she's always up for a fight for the right reasons.

[Crazedwraith]

If you want a real bar fighter from Star Trek you need characters from Star Trek New Frontier. Zak Kebron (A Brikar which basically means he; the thing) and Captain MacKensie Calhoun. (who's idea of his age showing is taking someone down in two punches instead of one)

[Shinn Langley Soryu]

Greedo is not comperable to Mal Reynolds!

Does each franchise get to send one champion? And do they get to choose, or is it just "the types of folks most likely to be in a bar?"

But how often do these people travel alone? They tend to travel in packs.

--others? I don't know many anime series, and maybe it's just me but I think most Marvel/DC superheroes would be overpowered for this...

Anime? Don't go there man not enough, it'll njust end up with Supersaiyan 4 Goku in a giant robot posessed by the spirit of the nine tailed fox or something.

Oh, please. Most anime/manga protagonists are actually quite underpowered compared to their American counterparts. Besides, who invited that wanker Goku to the party? They don't serve his kind there.

That said, as for sci-fi anime/manga characters who'd actually stand a chance in a bar fight, the first to come to mind would be Major Motoko Kusanagi of the Ghost in the Shell franchise; her active camouflage could come in useful when attacking targets of opportunity or simply getting the fuck out of the bar. Vash the Stampede (Trigun) has ungodly luck and is a crack shot with a revolver, though he's a pacifist, shoots only to disarm or cripple rather than kill, and is more likely to demolish the bar around him instead. While we're at it, we can toss in Spike Spiegel (Cowboy Bebop) and Gene Starwind (Outlaw Star) and see how they'd fare; Spike has his jeet kune do skills and his Jericho 941, while Gene has (among other weapons) a gun that fires magic bullets. I'd also consider adding Yuki Nagato (The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya) to the combat roster, though that would probably be as fair as having Ciaphas Cain and Sergeant Schlock joining the fray; considering she can locally alter reality, well...

[open_sketchbook]

If we're throwing anime into the mix, we may as well involve Dutch and Revy from Black Lagoon. Though this is specifically a weaponless fight, those two are some of the most badass normal humans there are in anime with realistic settings.

To prevent this from just disintegrating into wankfests, I propose we eliminate all post-humans, non-humans, superhumans and so forth. This is strictly a fistfight, we don't need people that can punch through torsos.

[Sabastian Tombs]

I really think we need a change to the OP conditions about this - Ciaphas Cain's commissarial uniform is one thing, but the Toughs' armoured suits is another. It's meant to be the ultimate barroom brawl, not an attempt to vaporise the entire city block with M/AM epaulets whilst running around in powered armour.

Yes, but do Schlock and the Toughs really understand the difference between the two concepts?

[Formless]

Yes, but do Schlock and the Toughs really understand the difference between the two concepts?

Schlock? His species literally equates sex with violence, so no. Not unless he has standing orders. (he is a soldier first before he is a bundle of violence)

As for the rest of the toughs, it mostly depends on how high up the chain of command you go. But considering that they train with less lethal weapons (Goober rounds), I would be forced to say yes. They just prefer deadly force on principal whenever they can get away with it.

Bar room brawl situation, they probably wouldn't even bother with weapons; I forgot about their carbon fullurine powered armor that they wear as standard issue *. You won't be fighting just one Tough in this kind of fight, but the fight will end as soon as the onomatopoeia "ommmminous huuuummmm" is heard. No one wants to end up a pile of ash on the floor. No one. Are you starting to see why they are too powerful for this situation yet?

* Today's comic is a perfect case in point why skin tight powered armor makes a difference.

[kinnison]

So, can we have a moratorium on the more absurd powers / gear / characters, or should I go and dig up the most absurd examples of Lensman gear I can, then curbstomp everyone in the bar ?

Well said. Kim Kinnison in the armour he used to take down Helmuth might be a good candidate. A barfight involving someone wearing armour that can withstand capital starship weapons (Lensverse ones at that!) would be a little... silly?

The problem with this one is that we really ought to be restricting it to baseline humans. And most of the interesting candidates are not baseline. Chris Kinnison is not. Kimball arguably isn't. Neither is Leeloo.

The closest to baseline that isn't, of fictional martial artists, is possibly Honor Harrington in coup de vitesse mode.

[fgalkin]

Honor Harrington is baseline now? The only character in the series more heavily modified than her is Thandi Palane, who rips scrags apart with her bare hands.

As for anime, they may claim they're human, but there is no way a human being is able to do some of the shit they do. The previously-mentioned Revy from Black Lagoon is an example of that.

Me, I still think we should limit this to TV and Movie characters only. And replace Cain with Starbuck.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

[Themightytom]

[quote="Coyote"]Yeah... it's just drunken fisticuffs, folks.

Also, if you consider "Lost" as sci-fi, quote]

Oh jeevus, if "Lost" is fair game than I'm nominating Heroes. Takezo kensei the martial artist from ancient china who also happens to regenerate from any injury, and Sylar, the superpowered nutjob.

I don't like wankery though, one of the reasons I liked Garbialdi and Sheridan as they are brawlers that would be fun to watch, otherwise i'd nomiante jet li rom The One, and his evil twin.

[Formless]

The anime characters should be taken case by case. Yuki Nagato for example is not only overpowered from that description, she sounds more like a fantasy character, thus not eligible for this scenario in the first place; Spike, meanwhile, seems ordinary enough (if still sufficiently badass).

BTW, ghetto edit:

* Today's comic is a perfect case in point why skin tight powered armor makes a difference.

For some reason that link points to the Schlock Mercenary main page. It should link to here.

[kinnison]

Honor Harrington is baseline now? The only character in the series more heavily modified than her is Thandi Palane, who rips scrags apart with her bare hands.

As for anime, they may claim they're human, but there is no way a human being is able to do some of the shit they do. The previously-mentioned Revy from Black Lagoon is an example of that.

Me, I still think we should limit this to TV and Movie characters only. And replace Cain with Starbuck.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Well, Honor is a hell of a lot closer to baseline human than Worf, Spock, Leeloo or Ciphias Cain. It appears from the books that she is mildly enhanced in strength and speed - maybe 50% on what a normal with similar training might manage.

[Questor]

Well, Honor is a hell of a lot closer to baseline human than Worf, Spock, Leeloo or Ciphias Cain. It appears from the books that she is mildly enhanced in strength and speed - maybe 50% on what a normal with similar training might manage.

This would, of course, be before she had her arm replaced with a cybernetic arm with even more speed and power, and not to mention a pulsar in the hand, I take it?

I don't think Honor's enhancements can be considered minor anyway. They have made her a telepath, or at least an empath.

And I challenge you to create a bar fight scenario with Honor that does not involve a treecat ripping someone's face off.

[DrMckay]

Mal Reynolds vs Honor-Sue Harrington. That is a battle I would PAY to see.

[Uraniun235]

[a bunch of pop anime]

pfft, whatever, Walter von Schenkopp would totally rock the house in a bar fight

[Coyote]

Oh jeevus, if "Lost" is fair game than I'm nominating Heroes. Takezo kensei the martial artist from ancient china who also happens to regenerate from any injury, and Sylar, the superpowered nutjob.

Since when are the people from "Lost" superhuman? They've displayed regenerative ability, but it is only because of the island. Take them away to bar somewhere and they can be injured and even die...

[Shroom Man 777]

Take them far away to a bar somewhere and your pick Locke'd have to brawl by crushing people's feet with his wheelchair.

[Raptor]

Shouldn't it be Col. TC McQueen in a bar fight from SAAB and Jayne from Firefly. Is Lost more fantasy than Sci-fi? Because bringing that in brings a lot more choices. From Sci-fi though, does Snake Pliskin count?