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Stark wrote:What? The only place in ST I've ever heard the scifi term 'stardrive' used is in the TM, to refer to the entire 'headless chicken' engineering section after separation. Are you just being a sophistic cunt and saying that the nacelles are the 'stardrive section' because they're the 'section' of the ship that 'drives' it to the 'stars'?

Indeed, the whole section is the stardrive.

From Encounter at Farpoint:

PICARD V.O.
Captain's log, stardate 42354.1.
Preparing to detach saucer
section.

35 INT. BATTLE BRIDGE

As the turbolift doors snap open, Picard and the others
ENTER the smaller, sparse and functional Battle Bridge.

PICARD V.O.
... so that families and the majority
of the ship's company...

36 INT. MONTAGE OF SAUCER SETS

Families, children, science technicians, etc., moving
into safe areas.

PICARD V.O.
(continuing)
... can seek relative safety while
our vessel's stardrive, containing
our Battle Bridge...

So you admit that your laughable 'correction' to a statement everyone understood in context was just semantic whoring bullshit? Thanks, Batman! Please quote all ST sources that support your position!

EDIT - lol, thanks Gando.

That'd be the parts where all the gadgets that make the ship actually travel at Warp are in the nacelles, as opposed to the Warp Core merely powering them? Unless you have evidence to the contrary, of course.

Oh, so you mean his statement within a ST context, using a word in the ST sense, needed your asinine correction because YOU THINK IT'S WRONG REGARDLESS?

Wow, I wonder why you're a laughingstock around here...

BTW love the strawman there Bats.

Batman wrote:That'd be the parts where all the gadgets that make the ship actually travel at Warp are in the nacelles, as opposed to the Warp Core merely powering them? Unless you have evidence to the contrary, of course.

There's always the somewhat necessary deflector dish.

Without it, a bit of space dust could put a hole in the hull.

Stark wrote:Oh, so you mean his statement within a ST context, using a word in the ST sense, needed your asinine correction because YOU THINK IT'S WRONG REGARDLESS?
Wow, I wonder why you're a laughingstock around here...
BTW love the strawman there Bats.

I'm still waiting for you showing that anything OTHER than the power generation is outside the Warp nacelles.

Gandalf wrote:

Batman wrote:That'd be the parts where all the gadgets that make the ship actually travel at Warp are in the nacelles, as opposed to the Warp Core merely powering them? Unless you have evidence to the contrary, of course.

There's always the somewhat necessary deflector dish.
Without it, a bit of space dust could put a hole in the hull.

How exactly is that necessary to make a ship TRAVEL at Warp ? It's definitely something you need but it is by no means an integral part of the actual DRIVE system.

Batman wrote:I'm still waiting for you showing that anything OTHER than the power generation is outside the Warp nacelles.

You mean like navigation, control, fuel, and all that stuff? Prove the nacelles are a functioning 'stardrive', and not just somewhat exotic metal toilet rolls.

Of course you're too stupid to understand that I'm not required to explain any such nonsense, since your 'correction' is bullshit within a ST context (as shown) and this is just your personal OMG THAT'S WRONG trip now.

You DO know that by your definition the steering wheel and gas pedal are actually part of a modern day car's engine.

Batman wrote:You DO know that by your definition the steering wheel and gas pedal are actually part of a modern day car's engine.

Oh joy, since you're voyaging into bold new frontiers of bad analogy, you have now made warp nacelles equivalents to tires (the conduits are the transmission and the warp core is of course the actual engine).

Batman wrote:You DO know that by your definition the steering wheel and gas pedal are actually part of a modern day car's engine.

Oh man, I can't believe you just used TO SUPPORT YOUR LAUGHABLE ARGUMENT a statement I deleted as too childish earlier!

You just said it's okay to correct someone that calls the transmission a 'transmission' because it's actually the clutch that 'transmits' the power, and then argue like a little bitch about it. Are you listening to yourself? It's really sad that you made the correction to seem more informed, and are now just furiously ass-covering because a) Catman's meaning was clear, b) ST uses the term the way he does and c) you're a fucking moron.

I notice you forgot your pathetic 'prove anything OTHER than power generation isn't in the nacelles' thing, by the way. It's probably best ignored.

Starglider wrote:

Batman wrote:You DO know that by your definition the steering wheel and gas pedal are actually part of a modern day car's engine.

Oh joy, since you're voyaging into bold new frontiers of bad analogy, you have now made warp nacelles equivalents to tires (the conduits are the transmission and the warp core is of course the actual engine).

That's funny. I'm the one making bad anologies? The Warp core is NOT the actual engine, it's merely the power source .Have fun trying to have a modern day CVN move about without its turbines. They got the reactors, what's the fucking problem?

Hey Batman, is there anything necessary for 'stardrive' outside the nacelles?

Stark wrote:

Batman wrote:You DO know that by your definition the steering wheel and gas pedal are actually part of a modern day car's engine.

Oh man, I can't believe you just used TO SUPPORT YOUR LAUGHABLE ARGUMENT a statement I deleted as too childish earlier!
You just said it's okay to correct someone that calls the transmission a 'transmission' because it's actually the clutch that 'transmits' the power, and then argue like a little bitch about it. Are you listening to yourself? It's really sad that you made the correction to seem more informed, and are now just furiously ass-covering because a) Catman's meaning was clear, b) ST uses the term the way he does and c) you're a fucking moron.
I notice you forgot your pathetic 'prove anything OTHER than power generation isn't in the nacelles' thing, by the way. It's probably best ignored.

Just for the record I have no clue what you're talking about.

No ass-covering here! He's going to simply swear off his humiliating and factually wrong correction of Catman and hope everyone just forgets what an idiot he made himself look like trying to defend it. He's even denying his own arguments.

I consider my job done.

Stark wrote:Hey Batman, is there anything necessary for 'stardrive' outside the nacelles?

No? There's obviously plenty of other stuff needed for said stardrive to actually be any USE (like, say, a power source) but there is nothing (to my knowledge) that stops it being a stardrive beyond that.

Batman wrote:I'm still waiting for you showing that anything OTHER than the power generation is outside the Warp nacelles.

Oh, you're such a card! Not only is this irrelevant to the point (since Catman's use of 'stardrive' is totally consistent with Star Trek, something you've never bothered to attack since you can't and your nitpick was just posturing) but it's so obviously horseshit I'm blown away you repeated it.

That would be a lot more convincing if Catman ever actually DID such a thing. Which he didn't.Or at least which he didn't as per the present state of the thread, which probably means some of it was split elsewhere.

Nevermind. Oops.