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irishmick79 wrote:Mike Huckabee has to be dancing for joy this morning. He is now in a prime position to make inroads with the conservative wing dominated by Palin, and he's probably more capable of successfully doing that than Romney ever will be. Huck is probably more capable of crossing over between the religious right and the more populist and moderate wing of the GOP, and that can put him in the nomination driver's seat.
Which is a scary thought indeed. Huckabee strikes me as the most viable 2012 threat to Obama's Presidency at the moment, so anything that helps along his ambitions worries me.

Of course, a lot can change in three years.
In this case "most viable threat" doesn't signify very much. A far-right candidate has very little chance of winning in 2012; too many people will still remember Bush.
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Axis Kast wrote:Palin's not the first politician to bow out angrily over "shabby treatment." She's also not going to have to paddle very hard up the river of recent history to find a precedent that suggests she can move on from resignation to the Oval Office. See: Nixon, Richard, M.
True. On the other hand, Nixon was fundamentally competent*; Palin isn't. She may be able to find the precedent, but I very much doubt it will work for her. Unlike Nixon, Palin doesn't have the wattage to win an election in an environment where people really care about policy issues. America is going to be such an environment for at least the next decade, because of all the messes we have to clean up from Bush.

*if paranoid, untrustworthy, and ignorant of the meaning of "abuse of power."
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Axis Kast wrote:I said that Palin still had a political future. That this resignation wouldn't necessarily be her demise. I did not say that she was a sure shoe-in for 2012.

Besides that, Palin's not angling for fiscal conservatives or neo-conservatives; she's aiming her political sights on being able to do exactly what Bush and then Obama did: strike people as genuine, aw-shucks folks who specialize in the charisma-related roles of the presidency, and leave some of the major decisions to an educated circle of advisers.

Jindal's not had an excellent reception. Pawlenty, Sanford, and others are more obscure, still, than is Palin. Gingrich may be something of a has-been. Huckabee and Romney are, today, her primary competition; she's still number three.
The problme is that after abandoing the Alaska governor's post she has basically killed her chances to oust Murkowski, she hasn't shown the chops to spend time building an organization of the type neccessarry to take on Begich in 5 more years when he has the benefit of incumbency. That would mean her job chances are limited to the Presidency in 2012 or 2016. If she goes for 2012 even assuming favorable Republican party circumstances (i.e. Huckabee sits on his ambition until 2016) the charges against her WILL be levelled that she just can't hack it. The NH primary will see her get destroyed and its not entirely certain that she could win the Iowa caucuses even with Huckabee out of the picture. The folks who Bush got in 2000 are now part of the Obama coalition mostly because hes more charismatic AND more competent. The folks looking for "aww schuks" kind of candidates aren't Republican primary voters (who are increasingly further afield to the right) so while that appeal would help her in the general election it won't in the primaries and all of her opponents aside from possibly Pawlenty(Gingrich gets higher marks as "leader of the Republican party" than a half dozen incumbent pols including Steele and Jindal still has institutional support due to his willingness to fundraise for the party) have better appeal to that core constituency.

In other words there may be precedent (though Red has already shown you why Nixon won through a shit load of hard work and not just luck or a little bit of twinkle toeing) she has yet to show anythign relating to the dedication neccessarry to actually build a political future.
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purhaps Colbert's darkest fears have come to fruit, and my endangered White furred cousins have mastered the AK and are uprising....

After all Support your right to arm bears.
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I know it's from FOX, but it's the first hint I've seen of her motives.
Palin Links Resignation to 'Higher Calling'
In a statement posted on Palin's Facebook account, she suggested that she had bigger plans and a national agenda she planned to push after she resigns at the end of the month.


JUNEAU, Alaska -- Outgoing Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin on Saturday laid the groundwork to take on a larger, national role after leaving state government, citing a "higher calling" with the aim of uniting the country along conservative lines.

A day after surprising even her closest friends by announcing she would step down as Alaska governor more than a year before her term was up, the controversial hockey mom was still keeping details of her future plans under wrap. But in a statement posted on Palin's Facebook account, she suggested that she had bigger plans and a national agenda she planned to push after she resigns at the end of the month.

"I am now looking ahead and how we can advance this country together with our values of less government intervention, greater energy independence, stronger national security, and much-needed fiscal restraint," she said.

Palin also cast herself as a victim and blasted the media, calling the response to her announcement "predictable" and out of touch.

"How sad that Washington and the media will never understand; it's about country," the statement said. "And though it's honorable for countless others to leave their positions for a higher calling and without finishing a term, of course we know by now, for some reason a different standard applies for the decisions I make."

Palin's personal spokeswoman, Meghan Stapleton, confirmed to The Associated Press that the Facebook posting was written by the governor.

The abruptness of her announcement and the mystery surrounding her plans has fed widespread speculation. But Palin attorney Thomas Van Flein on Saturday warned legal action may be taken against bloggers and publications that reprint what he calls fraudulent claims.

"To the extent several websites, most notably liberal Alaska blogger Shannyn Moore, are now claiming as 'fact' that Governor Palin resigned because she is 'under federal investigation' for embezzlement or other criminal wrongdoing, we will be exploring legal options this week to address such defamation," Van Flein said in a statement. "This is to provide notice to Ms. Moore, and those who re-publish the defamation, such as Huffington Post, MSNBC, the New York Times and The Washington Post, that the Palins will not allow them to propagate defamatory material without answering to this in a court of law."

Palin has kept a low profile since her abrupt announcement Friday at a hastily called news conference at her home in suburban Wasilla, outside Anchorage. All of her public communication since then has been on the social networking sites Facebook and Twitter, or through statements released by her office.

At the same time, Palin informed her spokesman David Murrow early Saturday that someone using the name "exgovsarahpalin" on Twitter was spreading a false rumor that there was to be a party at her suburban home in Wasilla, outside Anchorage. Palin was afraid her home would be mobbed, and security was dispatched, Murrow said.

With only a few weeks before she steps down on July 26, and Lt. Gov. Sean Parnell takes her place, the governor spent the Fourth of July weekend in the state capital, Juneau, but was only spotted briefly on the sidelines of the city's parade.

She had been invited to ride in a convertible, as she did last year, but never told organizers whether she would attend.

Juneau parade director Jean Sztuk said officials drew up banners in case Palin showed and was willing to take part.

As the last of the parade's clowns and marching bands headed past her, Sztuk gave up on Palin. "What governor wants to be at the end of the parade?" she asked.

Her low-profile and vague Internet messages left mounting questions about her plans for the future shrouded in mystery. Will she lay the groundwork for a 2012 presidential bid? Will she find a high-profile place in the private sector, maybe on the speech circuit? Will she drop out of the limelight and focus on her five children?

Her constituents, for one, wanted to know, especially in Juneau, where she has struggled to win over residents.

"I think she owes it to Alaskans to tell us why," said state Sen. Dennis Egan, D-Juneau, the son of Alaska's first governor, Bill Egan.

Egan, hosting a 50th anniversary statehood ceremony, said he was disappointed Palin decided not to finish out her term, which was scheduled to end in 2010.

"It's sad she abandoned us at this critical time," said Egan, who was appointed by Palin to an open seat on the last day of the legislative session in April, after a protracted battle with Senate Democrats.

Palin's departure can't come soon enough for Laurel Carlton, a waitress at the Capital Cafe in the Baranof Hotel, where the city's political movers and shakers meet every morning before walking a few blocks to the Capitol.

"I think she has a game plan that's not Alaska, and hasn't been for awhile," Carlton said.

She noted Palin has a book deal, and seems headed for the national stage.

"If you're really not going to stay and do your job every day, you should leave anyway, and so the sooner the better so somebody can step in and actually do the job," Carlton said.

And as far as Carlton is concerned, Palin doesn't need to explain why she's leaving.

"We don't care. We just want her gone," she said.

Palin, whose popularity in Alaska has waned amid ongoing ethics investigations, gave many reasons for stepping down: She didn't want to be a lame-duck governor; she was tired of the tasteless jokes aimed at her five children, including her son Trig, who has Down syndrome; she felt she could do more in another, still-to-be-defined role.

Sen. John McCain didn't rule out a return to politics for his former running mate, saying Saturday he believes "she will continue to play an important leadership role in the Republican Party and our nation." He gave no other details.

Even Parnell, who plans to run for re-election after finishing out Palin's term, said he was shocked at first when he learned of his boss' decision.

"But then as she began to articulate her reasons, I began to understand better," he said. "And nobody -- unless they've been in her position and understood what she has gone through and dealt with and who she is as a person -- really understands."
I would also point out some of the comments made by everyday people in Alaska, saying that they're disappointed in her for quitting before the term ends, and that if she isn't cut out for it she's better off gone. If they can think of it, so can her political opponents, and you can be sure that they will lambast her for this weakness whenever she unveils her national plans.
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Maybe she wants to turn into the Republican version of Jimmy Carter? Running around the country supporting charities, doing "good deeds," and having people say "You know, if only she was like that originally."
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FSTargetDrone wrote:Yes, quitting because of the Down Syndrome baby would make all the sense in the world. The baby requires a lot of attention, there may be health issues for the boy, etc. Instead, she gave us a nonsensical string of gibberish.

Imagine a situation where McCain and Palin won the presidential election. Do any of you think Palin might have bailed out of being VP in such a situation? If she quits this early into her only term as governor, I wouldn't put it past her to quit a hypothetical vice-presidency for all the "reasons" she gave on Friday.
I can't help but contrast that possibility with Joe Biden, who didn't drop out of his first term as senator after a car accident killed his wife and baby daughter and critically injured both of his sons before he was even sworn in. Though if rumors of upcoming indictments are correct I imagine that's probably more of her motivation than taking care of her family. Still, given her previous responses to any sort of criticism it's not hard to picture it coming down at least in part to "You won't have Sarah Palin to kick around anymore!"
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The first thing I said when my mom mentioned this was "Holy shit". It just didn't make any sense. My next comment was the timing was wonderful. She waited until 12pm Alaska time which translated to 4pm on the East Coast, on July 3rd, a Friday. No one was around to do anything or comment about Sarah making this surprise announcement. 99% of the political analysts and journalists are taking the day off. John Stewart and Stephen Colbert have to wait until monday. The complete surprise announcement. I was just laughing at the absurdity. We get rid of the bitch and she does it with the best timing to ensue people are not ready for it.

So yesterday the topic came up while sitting around the deck. People wanted to know what I thought about Palin. I gave a thumbs down and said I was glad that Caribou Barbie was gone. Now some of these guys are republicans, but every single one of them broke out laughing when they heard Caribou Barbie. Not sure what they thought of Palin, but they got a kick out of that nickname.
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Alyeska wrote:So yesterday the topic came up while sitting around the deck. People wanted to know what I thought about Palin. I gave a thumbs down and said I was glad that Caribou Barbie was gone. Now some of these guys are republicans, but every single one of them broke out laughing when they heard Caribou Barbie. Not sure what they thought of Palin, but they got a kick out of that nickname.
It just goes to show that even people who agree with her idiotic politics are capable of recognizing that she's a farcical spokesperson for them.
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Axis Kast wrote:Palin's not the first politician to bow out angrily over "shabby treatment." She's also not going to have to paddle very hard up the river of recent history to find a precedent that suggests she can move on from resignation to the Oval Office. See: Nixon, Richard, M.
Oh, puh-leeze! You're making Tricky Dick roll over in his grave!

How many elected offices has Caribou Barbie held? I tell you - three: Wasilla city council, Wasilla mayor, and governor of Alaska. Who the fuck ever heard of Wasilla prior to her debut on the national stage? It's a suburb of Anchorage. Nothing wrong with being on the city council or in the mayor's office, it's a way to get started in politics, but it's not very impressive on the resume, you know?

Richard Nixon, meanwhile, was first elected to Congress in 1946 - first to the House then to the Senate a few years later, which is definitely playing on the national stage. He was VP of the US during the Eisenhower years. So at the time of his famous "You won't have Dick Nixon to kick around anymore" statement in 1960 he already had had a solid career in national politics and he'd finished every term he'd been elected to.

During his years as president he put in place the policies that lead to a withdrawal and finally an end to the Vietnam war, a very unpopular conflict in the US (I can't imagine anyone in Vietnam liked it either), opened relations with China which, until then, had been an enemy we didn't even talk to, and also started us talking much more with the Soviets which (in my opinion) had a largely positive effect and probably averted dangerous crises between the major nuclear powers from 1970 onwards. I don't think most of you here understand how US/China relations were back in the 1960's - they didn't exist. At all. The US and China could not speak to each other directly, initial negotiations had to be routed through Romania and Pakistan for nearly a year before any direct communication occurred, and keep in mind that at the time the US and China were fighting a war through their proxies in Vietnam. Let me assure you that in 1972 when Americans saw this: Nixon Shakes hands with Chou En Lai it was just as amazing and startling as watching Armstrong step onto the Moon three years earlier. It's accomplishments like these that lead to him carrying 49 of the 50 states when re-elected in 1972 and 60% of the popular vote. Consider that while Republican "Saint" Ronald Reagan also won 49 states in 1984 he did not match Nixon's popular vote, getting only 58.8% of the popular vote. As amazing as it seems to many people today, Nixon was enormously popular prior to Watergate.

It was on the basis of his presidential record of engaging with our enemies in positive ways that lead to his role as statesman later in life, as his expertise in that area was simply too valuable to waste even if, as pointed out, he couldn't be elected dog catcher in Bumfuck, Iowa.

On the domestic front, the first efforts at school desegregation occurred under his administration. He endorsed the Equal Right Amendment. He was the president that signed Title IX which is still the strongest protection against gender discrimination in US schools, and also the Equal Employment Opportunity Act. He signed Title X, which provided family planning and contraceptive services for low-income people (Yes, he did and yes, he was a Republican - that shows you just how much the religious assholes have hijacked that party). Nixon appointed many women to administrative positions despite opposition from within his own party, the Federal government at large, and even those working for him. Nixon established the EPA and OSHA and re-organized the US Postal System in its current form. Nixon established the Consumer Product Safety Commission. He authorized the Clean Air Act of 1970. In 1974, he introduced the Comprehensive Health Insurance Act which, had it passed, would have mandated employers to purchase health insurance for their employees, and in addition provided a federal health plan, similar to Medicaid, that any American could join by paying on a sliding scale based on income. (Gee, does that sound familiar? Like something the current administration has suggested?)

So, when Nixon resigned in 1974 he had a solid record of actual accomplishments in not only national but international politics, many of which even his enemies acknowledged as positives for the country, and he didn't give a rambling, disjointed resignation speech full of bullshit. In fact, here's his official resignation letter which is admirable for both its brevity and complete lack of bullshit:
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This site has a 15 minute video of Nixon's resignation speech as it was broadcast. Please compare to Caribou Barbie's. For those of you for whom the video might be problematic here is a transcript of that speech:
Richard M. Nixon wrote: Good evening:

This is the 37th time I have spoken to you from this office, where so many decisions have been made that shaped the history of this Nation. Each time I have done so to discuss with you some matter that I believe affected the national interest.

In all the decisions I have made in my public life, I have always tried to do what was best for the Nation. Throughout the long and difficult period of Watergate, I have felt it was my duty to persevere, to make every possible effort to complete the term of office to which you elected me.

In the past few days, however, it has become evident to me that I no longer have a strong enough political base in the Congress to justify continuing that effort. As long as there was such a base, I felt strongly that it was necessary to see the constitutional process through to its conclusion, that to do otherwise would be unfaithful to the spirit of that deliberately difficult process and a dangerously destabilizing precedent for the future.

But with the disappearance of that base, I now believe that the constitutional purpose has been served, and there is no longer a need for the process to be prolonged.

I would have preferred to carry through to the finish, whatever the personal agony it would have involved, and my family unanimously urged me to do so. But the interests of the Nation must always come before any personal considerations.

From the discussions I have had with Congressional and other leaders, I have concluded that because of the Watergate matter, I might not have the support of the Congress that I would consider necessary to back the very difficult decisions and carry out the duties of this office in the way the interests of the Nation will require.

I have never been a quitter. To leave office before my term is completed is abhorrent to every instinct in my body. But as President, I must put the interests of America first. America needs a full-time President and a full-time Congress, particularly at this time with problems we face at home and abroad.

To continue to fight through the months ahead for my personal vindication would almost totally absorb the time and attention of both the President and the Congress in a period when our entire focus should be on the great issues of peace abroad and prosperity without inflation at home.

Therefore, I shall resign the Presidency effective at noon tomorrow. Vice President Ford will be sworn in as President at that hour in this office.

As I recall the high hopes for America with which we began this second term, I feel a great sadness that I will not be here in this office working on your behalf to achieve those hopes in the next 2 1/2 years. But in turning over direction of the Government to Vice President Ford, I know, as I told the Nation when I nominated him for that office 10 months ago, that the leadership of America will be in good hands.

In passing this office to the Vice President, I also do so with the profound sense of the weight of responsibility that will fall on his shoulders tomorrow and, therefore, of the understanding, the patience, the cooperation he will need from all Americans.

As he assumes that responsibility, he will deserve the help and the support of all of us. As we look to the future, the first essential is to begin healing the wounds of this Nation, to put the bitterness and divisions of the recent past behind us and to rediscover those shared ideals that lie at the heart of our strength and unity as a great and as a free people.

By taking this action, I hope that I will have hastened the start of that process of healing which is so desperately needed in America.

I regret deeply any injuries that may have been done in the course of the events that led to this decision. I would say only that if some of my judgments were wrong--and some were wrong—they were made in what I believed at the time to be the best interest of the Nation.

To those who have stood with me during these past difficult months—to my family, my friends, to many others who joined in supporting my cause because they believed it was right—I will be eternally grateful for your support.

And to those who have not felt able to give me your support, let me say I leave with no bitterness toward those who have opposed me, because all of us, in the final analysis, have been concerned with the good of the country, however our judgments might differ.

So, let us all now join together in affirming that common commitment and in helping our new President succeed for the benefit of all Americans.

I shall leave this office with regret at not completing my term, but with gratitude for the privilege of serving as your President for the past 5 1/2 years. These years have been a momentous time in the history of our Nation and the world. They have been a time of achievement in which we can all be proud, achievements that represent the shared efforts of the Administration, the Congress, and the people.

But the challenges ahead are equally great, 'and they, too, will require the support and the efforts of the Congress and the people working in cooperation with the new Administration.

We have ended America's longest war, but in the work of securing a lasting peace in the world, the goals ahead are even more far-reaching and more difficult. We must 'complete a structure of peace so that it will be said of this generation, our generation of Americans, by the people of all nations, not only that we ended one war but that we prevented future wars.

We have unlocked the doors that for a quarter of a century stood between the United States and the People's Republic of China.

We must now ensure that the one quarter of the world's people who live in the People's Republic of China will be and remain not our enemies, but our friends.

In the Middle East, 100 million people in the Arab countries, many of whom have considered us their enemy for nearly 20 years, now look on us as their friends. We must continue to build on that friendship so that peace can settle at last over the Middle East and so that the cradle of civilization will not become its grave.

Together with the Soviet Union, we have made the crucial breakthroughs that have begun the process of limiting nuclear arms. But we must set as our goal not just limiting but reducing and, finally, destroying these terrible weapons so that they cannot destroy civilization and so that 'the threat of nuclear war will no longer hang over the world and the people.

We have opened the new relation with the Soviet Union. We must continue to develop and expand that new relationship so that the two strongest nations of the world will live together in cooperation, rather than confrontation.

Around the world in Asia, in Africa, in Latin America, in the Middle East-there are millions of people who live in terrible poverty, even starvation. We must keep as our goal turning away from production for war and expanding production for peace so that people everywhere on this Earth can at last look forward in their children's time, if not in our own time, to having the necessities for a decent life.

Here in America, we are fortunate that most of our people have not only the blessings of liberty but also the means to live full and good and, by the world's standards, even abundant lives. We must press on, however, toward a goal, not only of more and better jobs but of full opportunity for every American and of what we are striving so hard right now to achieve, prosperity without inflation.

For more than a quarter of a century in public life, I have shared in the turbulent history of this era. I have fought for what I believed in. I have tried, to the best of my ability, to discharge those duties and meet those responsibilities that were entrusted to me.

Sometimes I have succeeded and sometimes I have failed, but always I have taken heart from what Theodore Roosevelt once said about the man in the arena, "whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes short again and again because there is not effort without error and shortcoming, but who does actually strive to do the deed, who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumphs of high achievements and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly."

I pledge to you tonight that as long as I have a breath of life in my body, I shall continue in that spirit. I shall continue to work for the great causes to which I have been dedicated throughout my years as a Congressman, a Senator, Vice President, and President, the cause of peace, not just for America but among all nations-prosperity, justice, and opportunity for all of our people.

There is one cause above all to which I have been devoted and to which I shall always be devoted for as long as I live.

When I first took the oath of office as President 5 1/2 years ago, I made this sacred commitment: to "consecrate my office, my energies, and all the wisdom I can summon to the cause of peace among nations."

I have done my very best in all the days since to be true to that pledge. As a result of these efforts, I am confident that the world is a safer place today, not only for the people of America but for the people of all nations, and that all of our children have a better chance than before of living in peace rather than dying in war.

This, more than anything, is what I hoped to achieve when I sought the Presidency. This, more than anything, is what I hope will be my legacy to you, to our country, as I leave the Presidency.

To have served in this office is to have felt a very personal sense of kinship with each and every American. In leaving it, I do so with this prayer: May God's grace be with you in all the days ahead.
In sum: Nixon was heavy player on not just a state or national scale but an international one, a man of many real accomplishments who, basically, fucked up. In his resignation speech he was man enough to admit that it was the Watergate scandal driving his resignation. Palin, however, quit her first state-level office before her first term was out and puked up some rambling horseshit about why she quit. Rating them as comparable only shames the memory of Nixon, which is pretty damning statement considering that Nixon was never forgiven for Watergate, regardless of what good he accomplished otherwise. Nixon had some real substance on which to base a post-resignation career....Palin ain't got shit.
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Broomstick wrote:Who the fuck ever heard of Wasilla prior to her debut on the national stage?
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OK, that makes one out of several hundred million.... :lol:
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Broomstick wrote:OK, that makes one out of several hundred million.... :lol:
It helps that I was born and raised in Alaska and lived 30 miles out of Anchorage (opposite direction from Wasilla)
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Man, Presidents used to be well-spoken? It shows what an effect Bush had when kids who grew up under the shadow of his Presidency are surprised that previous Presidents weren't complete mouth-breathers.
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I'm sure Palin could easily move to the province of Alberta and would be welcomed with open arms by the multitudes of conservative alliance fools. Perhaps she could could make a go of Albertan politics and rival Ralph Klein in terms of drinking prowess.
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Phantasee wrote:Man, Presidents used to be well-spoken? It shows what an effect Bush had when kids who grew up under the shadow of his Presidency are surprised that previous Presidents weren't complete mouth-breathers.
It's even more amazing when you consider that at the time Nixon was considered to have below-average politician skills in public speaking and a feeble TV presence, even if in other ways he was highly effective.
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Broomstick wrote:
Phantasee wrote:Man, Presidents used to be well-spoken? It shows what an effect Bush had when kids who grew up under the shadow of his Presidency are surprised that previous Presidents weren't complete mouth-breathers.
It's even more amazing when you consider that at the time Nixon was considered to have below-average politician skills in public speaking and a feeble TV presence, even if in other ways he was highly effective.
The bad TV presence was largely visual, though. Since his eyes would shift between the cameras a lot and his face would sweat a bit, it made him look dishonest even when he was telling the truth.
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Let's not forget he managed to avert his relationship with lobbists leading up to the Eisenhower elections by making a commericial about how the only gift he had accepted from the lobbists was a cocker spaniel



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Palin could adopt a page from Nixon's comeback and spend every waking moment between now and the Iowa caucuses traveling the country endorsing, fundraising for, and working to elect Republicans on the state and local levels, speaking at party events in West Bumfuck, Nebraska, etc.

It worked for Nixon in securing enough chits to help grease the way for his 1968 bid, and it possibly could work for Palin.
Though I doubt it would because she's proven she's not self-disciplined enough to maintain such a grueling schedule for so long, never mind her established record of throwing supporters and allies under the bus.


Added: whoops, didn't see Red's earlier post. :oops:
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Glocksman wrote:Palin could adopt a page from Nixon's comeback and spend every waking moment between now and the Iowa caucuses traveling the country endorsing, fundraising for, and working to elect Republicans on the state and local levels, speaking at party events in West Bumfuck, Nebraska, etc.

It worked for Nixon in securing enough chits to help grease the way for his 1968 bid, and it possibly could work for Palin.
Though I doubt it would because she's proven she's not self-disciplined enough to maintain such a grueling schedule for so long, never mind her established record of throwing supporters and allies under the bus.


Added: whoops, didn't see Red's earlier post. :oops:
The other difference, I guess, is that in addition to lacking Nixon's discipline, Palin resigned. Nixon, at least, could say that he fought the good fight and lost. Nobody was able to say in 1968 that Richard Nixon cut and run.

Edit: Of course, this doesn't take into account that Palin herself created the need for a comeback (assuming she wants to run again).
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Glocksman wrote:Palin could adopt a page from Nixon's comeback and spend every waking moment between now and the Iowa caucuses traveling the country endorsing, fundraising for, and working to elect Republicans on the state and local levels, speaking at party events in West Bumfuck, Nebraska, etc.

It worked for Nixon in securing enough chits to help grease the way for his 1968 bid, and it possibly could work for Palin.
Though I doubt it would because she's proven she's not self-disciplined enough to maintain such a grueling schedule for so long, never mind her established record of throwing supporters and allies under the bus.

Added: whoops, didn't see Red's earlier post. :oops:
It's not just the grueling schedule. The fact is that she's incapable of helping the party. This is as true now as it was last November. She's a parasite: she latched onto existing socio-political movements in order to propel her upward climb, but she never even did so much as one thing, or made so much as one speech which endeared her to anyone outside those pre-existing movements. Even party insiders knew she was basically good for nothing except for "appealing to the base" which already intended to vote Republican anyway.

If she's going to do any of that, she has to do more than adopt the grueling schedule. She has to be capable of impressing someone who wasn't already bound and determined to like her. She has to be able to sell a policy to someone who was not already a disciple of it. Since when has she demonstrated that ability? She tries to sell herself by lying about her past; how far is that going to take anyone? She tries to sell her policies not by arguing their merits, but by describing them as you would to a small child, thus insulting the intelligence of all those who managed to complete grade school. How far is that going to take anyone?
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For me the question if she tried pulling a Nixon would be could she pull enough of the base to her side and win in the primaries?

Personally I doubt it because while the social cons are numerous, they aren't the majority and as you said she has problems in appealing to people who aren't predisposed to love her in the first place.
If the social cons were the majority of Repub primary voters, last year it would have been anyone except McCain, as they see him as a RINO.
Heck, one of the reasons he chose her was to shore up support among the social cons.

Though it would make for a very entertaining primary season to see Palin, Romney, Gingrich, Huckabee, Cantor, and the rest of that crew fight it out. :D
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Glocksman wrote:For me the question if she tried pulling a Nixon would be could she pull enough of the base to her side and win in the primaries?
No. Even a lot of Republicans don't like her.

Nixon, for all his reputation went in the gutter after Watergate, appealed not only to the vast majority of Republicans was able to appeal to Democrats as well. That is, after all, how you usually get elected in most places, by appealing not only to your base but also enough of the other side to win at the ballot box. The two parties like to pretend membership is immutable but it isn't - clearly a lot of people in the US cross party lines at the polls even if they don't admit it later.

Just the fact she got saddled with a nickname like "Caribou Barbie" is indicative that she hasn't got the chops.

I don't know the real reason she resigned, but if she had just said "I have a handicapped child who will need full time attention his first years in order to reach his potential and as a mother and promoter of family values I feel that taking care of this child should take priority over politics right now" even her enemies couldn't hang her for that sentiment and it would leave the door open to try again later. But apparently she's too stupid to see such an easy out.

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Darth Wong wrote:It's not just the grueling schedule. The fact is that she's incapable of helping the party. This is as true now as it was last November. She's a parasite: she latched onto existing socio-political movements in order to propel her upward climb, but she never even did so much as one thing, or made so much as one speech which endeared her to anyone outside those pre-existing movements. Even party insiders knew she was basically good for nothing except for "appealing to the base" which already intended to vote Republican anyway.

If she's going to do any of that, she has to do more than adopt the grueling schedule. She has to be capable of impressing someone who wasn't already bound and determined to like her. She has to be able to sell a policy to someone who was not already a disciple of it. Since when has she demonstrated that ability? She tries to sell herself by lying about her past; how far is that going to take anyone? She tries to sell her policies not by arguing their merits, but by describing them as you would to a small child, thus insulting the intelligence of all those who managed to complete grade school. How far is that going to take anyone?
Well, none of that rules out fundraising and get-out-the-vote efforts, where her appeal to the base are assets, but she'd be toxic in swing districts. I'd be interested to see which congressional candidates she campaigned for in 2008, and how many were successful.
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I can't shake the impression she is ACTUALLY going to go down the Al gore road. She will embrace a core issue to build an identity around, only unlike Al gore, she will trade it in for political capitol at the end. instead of global warming I would expect her to campaign for Right To Life, in order to re-galvanize that demographic, which is currently becoming EXTREMELY disenfranchised with Obama. Remember if she campaigns for RTL, she draws in the Anti stem cell anti gay marriage population too.

THEY draw in the "Act now, think later" crew. In three years Obama WON'T have finished with isntalling universal healthcare, or repairing the economy and stabilizing our deficit, hell he probably won't even have made THAT much progress on developing alternative energy sources. These are projects he could very spend the whole of his term laying the ground work for, so that republicans can either swoop in and claim the credit for, or unravel before his eyes if they win the election, discrediting Democrats for some time to come..

Palin succeeding in Alaska means nothing politically. its too isolated. If she develops a plausible reason to move elsewhere, to soemwhere more influential, say Iowa... she can build credibility along another cause and be in a better position to help in the next election.

If she FAILS in Alaska, however, that WILL travel with her wherever she goes. the results aren't in quite yet, but besides all the scandals Palin has been implicated in I haven't really seen any kind of outstanding leadership from her in Alaska anyway. She threatened to reject stimulus money, and then took it, and I remember she got bitched at by her own government for leaving on the last day of their session to attend a conference? if Alaska goes the way off California and starts looking like a clusterfuck, she doesn't want that on her. She is withdrawing from class before she gets the failing grade. She probably recieved an offer from someone as well that she can plausibly manifest as her new "higher calling"

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If that's the plan, she's an idiot (but we knew that already). The GOP has been beating the abortion horse to death for decades now. This is not a new issue and she can't identify with it in any particular or exclusive way. In fact, I can't think of any issue she could strongly tie to herself.
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