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The Grim Squeaker wrote:

Thanas wrote:Palpatine wrecked coruscant as well.

The city was damaged during the Battle of Coruscant, but you can't seriously be compared a few ships crashing into the city (with normal life resuming shortly) to the planet literally being rendered unfit for human life with most of the population entirely removed .

Have you taken a look at the depictions of Coruscant? It is a ruined wasteland, completely flattened.

And human life resumed on vongformed coruscant as well within a few years. Most of the difficulties from that seem to have been due to Vong Terraforming. Besides, according to the new essential atlas the core worlds recovered quickly from the vong attack.

that bugged me how quickly life got back to normal

Darth Yan wrote:that bugged me how quickly life got back to normal

How quickly they can rebuild or the implied rate that people are being born in order to fill in the openings which is inconsistent with the galaxy being in stasis?

the first. The vong trashed coruscant far worse the palps did, yet their still kicking

Darth Yan wrote:the first. The vong trashed coruscant far worse the palps did, yet their still kicking

Really? Given that the New Republic had to leave Coruscant that had ISD crash into, had the NR leave because of the battles and was scorched in various places to the ground levels, and other such destructive bit that happened with the Lus being raised from it as well as other assaults to the planet over the time. Unless one can show that the Vong uprooted the planet to that level, in comparison, you're just thinking the installation of their overmind is a bit outlandish.

The Grim Squeaker wrote:

Thanas wrote:

The Grim Squeaker wrote: Not magnitudes. The death and destruction caused by the Clone wars can't have been more than a magnitude from that of the Yuuzhan Vong turning a V shaped chunk of the galaxy into a charred wasteland overgrown by fungus and lacking in mechanical tools. He does get points for managing to reduce the overall standard of living (high taxes) for most of the galaxy for decades though, and purges (Jedi, protestors, beatniks, peaceniks, etc' )

He engineered the clone wars, which destroyed a lot of planets.

Yes, they did, but there weren't that many cases of planets being totally destroyed, to the point of their needing to be rebuilt [Legacy]. Grevious was the exeption, and he burned a few dozen worlds at most as I recall.

Strange that the Vong never did anything except a couple moons on the level of BDZ. And moreso....Palpatine's reign had BDZ as a order for ISD captains. To say the Vong were even as close as Palpatine's reign is being ignorant of the orders he put forth as well as the general strategies the Imperial Army and Navy implemented.

Palpatine probably was responsible for more deaths than the Vong, but not for a hundred times more deaths (which is what even two orders of magnitude mean ). Are there any hard numbers on the deaths caused by the Vong or the Imperial civil war?

And since we know that Palpatine's reign has caused BDZs, planetary destruction of a core world and other sundries...care to cough up comparable examples of the Vong causing comparable level of death? Thanas has a point that Palpatine's reign could easily be magnitudes greater since your examples are "They were threatening the galaxy!!". The man controlled the galaxy for 20+ years, he gave a lot more leeway to the military to enforce peace and continued such past the clone wars until his end.

Darth Yan wrote:the first. The vong trashed coruscant far worse the palps did

Evidence for that statement, please.

Well, they did wipe out the Imperial Palace.

The Yuuzhan Vong dropped several Golan defense platforms onto the surface after they seized control, and actually moved its orbit, which I can't imagine did wonders for it, considering just the presence of Zonoma Sekot set off earthquakes and volcanic eruptions. As for the rest, they didn't bother to level the cities in several places, but rather just built over it. So even if the city wasn't reduced to the ground, you're still looking at pretty much planet-wide damage.

According to Wookieepedia, they actually cratered the Manarai Mountains and transformed the "Western Sea" into some weird bio-recycling/spawning pool.

TC Pilot wrote:Well, they did wipe out the Imperial Palace.

I admit I haven't read the story in question, but I was under the impression that the Republic head of state suicided by setting off a bomb in the palace.

The Yuuzhan Vong dropped several Golan defense platforms onto the surface after they seized control,

Considering what one crashed space ship apparently did to the Noghiri's home world, that must have done a lot of damage.

The Romulan Republic wrote:I admit I haven't read the story in question, but I was under the impression that the Republic head of state suicided by setting off a bomb in the palace.

Yes, Fey'lya did set off a bomb that killed, I think, several tens of thousands of Yuuzhan Vong warriors. But the Imperial Palace is absolutely enormous, so only part of it was damaged. The Yuuzhan Vong finished it off themselves.

Considering what one crashed space ship apparently did to the Noghiri's home world, that must have done a lot of damage.

Presumably, a Golan wouldn't be spewing out the same ecology-destroying chemicals and radiation a hyperspace-capable warship would be, and since the Yuuzhan Vong quickly terraform the planet into a functional ecosystem for their capital, they dealt with it regardless. Still, the impacts of those things alone would be like sizable asteroid impacts.

The Romulan Republic wrote:Considering what one crashed space ship apparently did to the Noghiri's home world, that must have done a lot of damage.

We aren't quite sure what that ship crashing actually did. The Empire exacerbated that situation, and for all we know they could have created the whole situation in the first place.
It seems awfully convenient that Vader of all people would show up to 'help' natives, of an otherwise useless planet, that had the potential to become 'OMG 1337 ninja, bounty hunter, body guards' with severe hero worship problems and a societal system that doesn't allow them to question anything.

TC Pilot wrote:Well, they did wipe out the Imperial Palace.

The Yuuzhan Vong dropped several Golan defense platforms onto the surface after they seized control, and actually moved its orbit, which I can't imagine did wonders for it, considering just the presence of Zonoma Sekot set off earthquakes and volcanic eruptions. As for the rest, they didn't bother to level the cities in several places, but rather just built over it. So even if the city wasn't reduced to the ground, you're still looking at pretty much planet-wide damage.

According to Wookieepedia, they actually cratered the Manarai Mountains and transformed the "Western Sea" into some weird bio-recycling/spawning pool.

And you think that does less damage than Turbolaser fire impacting on the surface, melting structures down to ground level? And then have the emperor unleash a forcestorm on the surface? Heck, Coruscant was a giant free-for-all for several weeks.

I seem to vaguely recall that the Vong were notorious for their flippant use of bioweapons to terraform planets, and the destruction of Ithor seems to tickle my mind somewhere in there.

The destruction of Nar Shaddaa would be more applicable. The Vong released some kind of weapon that basically melted the whole city down to its foundations, but they never did that to Coruscant. Coincidentally, Nar Shaddaa pretty much recovered from that by Millenium Falcon.

TC Pilot wrote:The destruction of Nar Shaddaa would be more applicable. The Vong released some kind of weapon that basically melted the whole city down to its foundations, but they never did that to Coruscant. Coincidentally, Nar Shaddaa pretty much recovered from that by Millenium Falcon.

The trouble would be, the Vong forming of Coruscant was sabotaged by Jacen because he fiddled with the World Mind.

You're greatly overestimating what that sabotage amounted to. The Yuuzhan Vong had already moved Coruscant's orbit, set up the planetary ring from one of the moons it vaporized, and covered over most of the city to the point that Jacen didn't even recognize that he was on Coruscant well before the Vong brought in the World Brain.

What we get is basically the equivalent of some practical jokes, the one thing that stands out in my memory is that some shaping process backfired, causing a rash of itching that Shimrraa raged about

Ghost Rider wrote:And since we know that Palpatine's reign has caused BDZs, planetary destruction of a core world and other sundries...care to cough up comparable examples of the Vong causing comparable level of death? Thanas has a point that Palpatine's reign could easily be magnitudes greater since your examples are "They were threatening the galaxy!!". The man controlled the galaxy for 20+ years, he gave a lot more leeway to the military to enforce peace and continued such past the clone wars until his end.

The initial estimates were that the Yuuzhan Vong War killed 356 trillion people. I seem to recall one of the chronologies stating that the Galactic Civil War was the most devastating war in history, though.

Ghost Rider wrote: And since we know that Palpatine's reign has caused BDZs, planetary destruction of a core world and other sundries...care to cough up comparable examples of the Vong causing comparable level of death? Thanas has a point that Palpatine's reign could easily be magnitudes greater since your examples are "They were threatening the galaxy!!". The man controlled the galaxy for 20+ years, he gave a lot more leeway to the military to enforce peace and continued such past the clone wars until his end.

Yeah, except Palpatine was trying to rule the denizens of the galaxy; whereas the Vong were eliminating them so that the Vong race could supplant them...

*sigh* pleae read the rules on Necromancy.