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You wouldn't be making that call if it wasn't open to the populace to vote on. Such issues should not be decided by unqualified people.

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Montana is looking to go Democrat big time this year.

Rehberg is the Representative, and he is a Republican. He decided to go after Tester, a Democrat in congress. Well Tester is winning the polls. And the vacancy in Rehbergs seat in the house is looking to also be democrat.

The democrat running for Governor is currently winning.

The state votes Romney, but then for Governor and Congress votes Democrat. Go figure.
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Well it's definatly time to play Daisy Bell for Mittins.
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Bachmann is leading Graves by just over 900 votes. Its so fucking close yet so frustrating to know she might win by such a thin margin. almost 70% reporting.
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Allen West has lost... today is a good day.

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In other news. Puerto Rico has voted in favor of Statehood. Both Romney and Obama promised to help aid Puerto Rico if this was their choice.

There might be a 51st state in the relative near future.
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Alyeska wrote:In other news. Puerto Rico has voted in favor of Statehood. Both Romney and Obama promised to help aid Puerto Rico if this was their choice.

There might be a 51st state in the relative near future.
Doesn't that pretty much fuck the Republicans in the Presidential elections?
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Alyeska wrote:In other news. Puerto Rico has voted in favor of Statehood. Both Romney and Obama promised to help aid Puerto Rico if this was their choice.

There might be a 51st state in the relative near future.
Whoa, now that's genuinely interesting. Is this a sure thing at this point? Or are there still hurdles?
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Alyeska wrote:In other news. Puerto Rico has voted in favor of Statehood. Both Romney and Obama promised to help aid Puerto Rico if this was their choice.

There might be a 51st state in the relative near future.
Whoa, now that's genuinely interesting. Is this a sure thing at this point? Or are there still hurdles?
Congressional approval.
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Soontir C'boath wrote:
Brother-Captain Gaius wrote:
Alyeska wrote:In other news. Puerto Rico has voted in favor of Statehood. Both Romney and Obama promised to help aid Puerto Rico if this was their choice.

There might be a 51st state in the relative near future.
Whoa, now that's genuinely interesting. Is this a sure thing at this point? Or are there still hurdles?
Congressional approval.
So that makes four things Obama has to deal with come a day or two, what are you going to do about voting... what are you going to do with Pot now that two states have pretty much made it as legal as alcohol, what are you doing about the security situation now that your still in charge and... are you going to promote new job growth by adopting our 51st state and requiring everyone to buy new tiny American flags.

And getting two new senators... interesting.

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Congress is the big hurdle. But playing politics over a territory getting statehood would look very bad in the press. Puerto Rico not paying federal taxes has been a sticking point for a long time. Statehood remedies this.
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He's gonna get a few Supreme appointments soon as well I'm betting.
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especially since they will need 2/3rds congressional and senate approval for that statehood bit....
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The Yosemite Bear wrote:especially since they will need 2/3rds congressional and senate approval for that statehood bit....
This is completely wrong. It merely requires a majority to admit a new state in the union if it meets the other constitutional requirements.
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So why aren't the Democrats able to take the House from the Republicans? I've seen it stated in certain places *cough* that if Americans wanted Obama to be anything but decoration they wouldn't have kept a Republican controlled house. What's the deal with this?
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Lots of "gerrymandering", or legislatures re-drawing legislative districts to essentially create congressional seats that favor one party or another. The districts are all up for re-drawing after every Census, and for both the 2000 and 2010 Censuses, the Republicans just happened to be on electoral high points that gave them a lot of control in the state legislatures.

For example, my home state (Utah) got an additional 4th Seat in the House. The Republican-dominated state legislature had already tried to draw the districts back in 2000 to wipe out the lone Utah Democrat in the US Congress (Jim Matheson), and they tried to create four Republican districts again after the 2010 Census. They'd do things like splitting up the more liberal Salt Lake County area into four pieces, then tying each piece on to a larger population of super-conservative voters.

But too fucking bad for them - Matheson won anyways! Sure, he's a really conservative Democrat, but I'll take that over a Republican here any day.

In fact, generally the news has been good for me. Obama won, the Democrats control the US Senate, Matheson won despite the gerrymandering, and the County Mayor is Democratic.
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AniThyng wrote:So why aren't the Democrats able to take the House from the Republicans? I've seen it stated in certain places *cough* that if Americans wanted Obama to be anything but decoration they wouldn't have kept a Republican controlled house. What's the deal with this?
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/2012/results#house

A lot of seats up for reelection were strongly red. Despite that the Dems may actually gain a couple of chairs.
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I'm still holding out that one of them is Bachman's, but depending on where you look now she has anywhere from a 1000 to 1500 vote lead. UGh.
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Bachmann is ahead by well over 3,000 votes and it's 98% in. Blech.
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Kuja wrote:
AniThyng wrote:So why aren't the Democrats able to take the House from the Republicans? I've seen it stated in certain places *cough* that if Americans wanted Obama to be anything but decoration they wouldn't have kept a Republican controlled house. What's the deal with this?
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/2012/results#house

A lot of seats up for reelection were strongly red. Despite that the Dems may actually gain a couple of chairs.
It's the House of Representatives. Every seat is up for re-election every two years.
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Dalton wrote:Bachmann is ahead by well over 3,000 votes and it's 98% in. Blech.
Aaand NBC calls it for Crazy Eyes
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Terralthra wrote:
Kuja wrote:
AniThyng wrote:So why aren't the Democrats able to take the House from the Republicans? I've seen it stated in certain places *cough* that if Americans wanted Obama to be anything but decoration they wouldn't have kept a Republican controlled house. What's the deal with this?
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/2012/results#house

A lot of seats up for reelection were strongly red. Despite that the Dems may actually gain a couple of chairs.
It's the House of Representatives. Every seat is up for re-election every two years.
Okay, so more seats than not tend to red. And this is partly due to gerrymandering. And I suppose also because there's probably still less seats in dense urban areas compared to seats in rural areas even if they are roughly scaled to population, so that lessens the relative impact of urban areas compared to the winner takes all style of the presidential election. Right?
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AniThyng wrote:Okay, so more seats than not tend to red. And this is partly due to gerrymandering. And I suppose also because there's probably still less seats in dense urban areas compared to seats in rural areas even if they are roughly scaled to population, so that lessens the relative impact of urban areas compared to the winner takes all style of the presidential election. Right?
The granularity is also an issue. The population of the US at last census was 308 million. There are 435 representatives, fixed by the Constitution. This means each Rep should serve approximately 700k people. Wyoming has 458k people, total, but every state must have at least one Representative. So, the people of Wyoming are essentially overrepresented in the House, by almost double. Somewhere else in the country, 250k people aren't being represented at all, or are being underrepresented. This problem repeats for almost every state, as few have populations that divide evenly into 700k segments. Most states are under- or over-represented to some degree, and the "over"s are typically more rural, while "under"s are more typically urban.
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Democrats did VERY well in California.
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