Oh. My. God.

Setesh · Post by **Setesh** » 2002-09-22 01:14pm

Nick wrote:The OTHER Flat Earth Society :
http://www.thomasdolby.com/index_frameset.html

Pun drivin triva: Thomas Dolby wrote and sang the song "She Blinded me with science"

Kosh_The_Vorlon · Post by **Kosh_The_Vorlon** » 2002-09-23 09:50pm

According to my dad, the whole society is a big joke..Which I suspected back a page (I believe) when I quoted those two news items..

Fellows, we've been had.

Zoink · Post by **Zoink** » 2002-09-24 10:13am

The flat earth thing is a joke site:

After spending over sixteen million dollars and using over 48 thousand yards of industrial strength strapping tape, we of the Flat Earth Society were able to construct an enormously powerful neurotransmitter that can implant suggestions directly into the brains of the nearby non-Flat Earthers. Having set it up just outside of the Russian Antarctic exploration post (Vostok), we are awaiting word that all three scientists and 174 penguins have been shown the light.

Kosh_The_Vorlon · Post by **Kosh_The_Vorlon** » 2002-09-24 05:01pm

Zoink wrote:The flat earth thing is a joke site:

After spending over sixteen million dollars and using over 48 thousand yards of industrial strength strapping tape, we of the Flat Earth Society were able to construct an enormously powerful neurotransmitter that can implant suggestions directly into the brains of the nearby non-Flat Earthers. Having set it up just outside of the Russian Antarctic exploration post (Vostok), we are awaiting word that all three scientists and 174 penguins have been shown the light.

I just said that!

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2002-09-24 05:09pm

On the flat-earther argument:

They don't realize that there is no up or down in space: They are defined by the Earth's center of gravity. When you fall, you're falling toward a certain point in the center of the earth, and gravity is formed by the Earth's rotation, I believe. Even if I'm wrong, I'm still better than those flat-earthers.

Post by **Colonel Olrik** » 2002-09-24 05:16pm

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi wrote:On the flat-earther argument:

They don't realize that there is no up or down in space: They are defined by the Earth's center of gravity. When you fall, you're falling toward a certain point in the center of the earth, and gravity is formed by the Earth's rotation, I believe. Even if I'm wrong, I'm still better than those flat-earthers.

No, you're wrong about that. Gravity always exists between two bodies with masses, and it increases with the mass of the bodies and decreases with the square of the distance between the mass centres of those two bodies. To calculate the gravity of earth (mass mt) you (mass m1) suffer, you just have to equal the force suffered by you (m1*a) with the expression for F. d is the earth radius and G the universal constant

F=G*m1*mt/d^2 = m1*a <=> a = G*mt/d^2 = 9.81 m/s^2

Nick · Post by **Nick** » 2002-09-24 08:42pm

Colonel Olrik wrote: No, you're wrong about that. Gravity always exists between two bodies with masses, and it increases with the mass of the bodies and decreases with the square of the distance between the mass centres of those two bodies. To calculate the gravity of earth (mass mt) you (mass m1) suffer, you just have to equal the force suffered by you (m1*a) with the expression for F. d is the earth radius and G the universal constant

F=G*m1*mt/d^2 = m1*a <=> a = G*mt/d^2 = 9.81 m/s^2

Well, AALCS was certainly wrong on the mechanism, but was right on the concept. Once you get out in space,, or into a stable orbit, there is no up or down - the relevant forces go into producing other effects (like a circular orbit). (The gravitational force causes an orbiting object to change direction towards the center of the larger mass, but if the orbiting object is moving at the right speed, it ends up moving in a circular or elliptical orbit, and never actually spirals inwards or outwards.)

Post by **Colonel Olrik** » 2002-09-24 08:50pm

Nick wrote: Well, AALCS was certainly wrong on the mechanism, but was right on the concept. Once you get out in space,, or into a stable orbit, there is no up or down - the relevant forces go into producing other effects (like a circular orbit). (The gravitational force causes an orbiting object to change direction towards the center of the larger mass, but if the orbiting object is moving at the right speed, it ends up moving in a circular or elliptical orbit, and never actually spirals inwards or outwards.)

Well yes, but if you are out there you're still be attracted to Earth. If you're not moving in orbit then you'll crash.
Earth could be perfectly still, without rotating, and we would still be attracted by it, we wouldn't be flying to outer space.

Kosh_The_Vorlon · Post by **Kosh_The_Vorlon** » 2002-09-24 10:54pm

Are you people missing what I'm saying? It. Isn't. Real!

Setesh · Post by **Setesh** » 2002-09-25 01:05am

Kosh_The_Vorlon wrote:Are you people missing what I'm saying? It. Isn't. Real!

Your point

Kosh_The_Vorlon · Post by **Kosh_The_Vorlon** » 2002-09-26 01:32am

Setesh wrote:
Kosh_The_Vorlon wrote:Are you people missing what I'm saying? It. Isn't. Real!
Your point

They're still acting like they think it is..

Nick · Post by **Nick** » 2002-09-30 07:32am

Kosh_The_Vorlon wrote:
Setesh wrote:
Kosh_The_Vorlon wrote:Are you people missing what I'm saying? It. Isn't. Real!
Your point
They're still acting like they think it is..

No, we were talking about how orbital mechanics works - whether the society is a joke or not, it is still interesting to dissect the 'arguments' they present in favour of a flat earth.

Or in this case, to look at the difference between a rough grasp of the concept of gravity, and actual exposure to the laws of gravitation (the first will get you by most of the time, but don't try and do any engineering with it!)

EmperorMing · Post by **EmperorMing** » 2002-10-08 10:42am

I beleive in the theory of invisible monkeys holding us down and that the super-nazi hell creature from beneath the hollow earth controlled by Hitlers brain does in fact exist.

Take that you Flat Earthers!!

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2002-10-16 06:02pm

I oppose drilling for oil because if we drill far down enough, we'll pop the earth like a balloon.

Raoul Duke, Jr. · Post by **Raoul Duke, Jr.** » 2002-10-24 07:54pm

Lagmonster wrote:As I recall, there's a "Flat Earth Society" out there somewhere too. Loonier than these chaps, to be sure, but just as disgusting that they exist.

I want to see the Flat-Earth guys and the Hollow-Earth guys fight.

Crayz9000 · Post by **Crayz9000** » 2002-10-25 02:07am

Lagmonster wrote:As I recall, there's a "Flat Earth Society" out there somewhere too. Loonier than these chaps, to be sure, but just as disgusting that they exist.

I'm not sure if they're a gag organization or really that deluded.

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2002-10-25 05:25pm

They don't need to listen to any proof of a round Earth, as long as they keep thier noses up their asses, and constantly mention a vast scientific conspiracy. Since proof of a round earth is so widespread, this global conspiracy may extend to historians, biologists, professors, or dealers.

And, if the earth is flat, how do you have sattelite TV? Or, is your cable provider part of the conspiracy?

Cpt. Marko Ramius · Post by **Cpt. Marko Ramius** » 2002-10-25 05:51pm

I suppose that what most saddens me is the fact that so many of these lunatics claim to be creationists. I'm sorry, but I'm a creationist too (the deluded fool that I am), and I think they're full of crap. Of course the Earth is not hollow... unless every single other spacial body is hollow, or the sections of the earth that are really there are lined with something heavy (like neutronium), or everything that we know about gravity is fundamentally WRONG. Do not these people think? Cannot they feel the force that holds them down? WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THE WORLD?!?!?

I agree with whoever said that these people should not be allowed to breed... the future already looks dreary enough as it is.

Post by **Colonel Olrik** » 2002-10-25 06:31pm

Cpt. Marko Ramius wrote:I suppose that what most saddens me is the fact that so many of these lunatics claim to be creationists. I'm sorry, but I'm a creationist too (the deluded fool that I am).

Care to debate? Evolution Vs Creationism.

Come on, hmmm?

Cpt. Marko Ramius · Post by **Cpt. Marko Ramius** » 2002-10-26 03:10pm

Colonel Olrik wrote:
Cpt. Marko Ramius wrote:I suppose that what most saddens me is the fact that so many of these lunatics claim to be creationists. I'm sorry, but I'm a creationist too (the deluded fool that I am).

Care to debate? Evolution Vs Creationism.

Come on, hmmm?

I really don't care to debate it... I mean, some people believe that we were made, and some people prefer to think that we just happened to be. That's not good or bad. Every person is entitled to think whatever we choose, whether we were made by God, evolved from apes, or are the excretions of a great humuhumunukunukuapua'a fish (the state fish of Hawaii, by the way). Since I have that choice, I choose to sooth my poor self-confidence by saying that my existence is special and has a purpose.

Frankly, though, in the long run, I don't give a damn. I mean, how does it matter that we got here? Let's just agree on the fact that we're here now, and stop arguing over how the whole thing happened.

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2002-10-26 05:48pm

Nobody will mind as long as you don't try shoving it up other's throats. And you don't seem to be that kind of person.

Cpt. Marko Ramius · Post by **Cpt. Marko Ramius** » 2002-10-29 07:22pm

I try not to be... I mean, if I meant to piss off everyone I meant, I sure could, no trouble at all. But why bother? Makes my life easier and a lot more interesting if I'm willing to be flexable and concede to the rights of others to believe whatever the hell they want. But anyways... enough about me. Time to get off my soapbox, and back on with this discussion about stupid people. ^_^

Raptor 597 · Post by **Raptor 597** » 2002-10-29 07:32pm

Cpt. Marko Ramius wrote:I suppose that what most saddens me is the fact that so many of these lunatics claim to be creationists. I'm sorry, but I'm a creationist too (the deluded fool that I am), and I think they're full of crap. Of course the Earth is not hollow... unless every single other spacial body is hollow, or the sections of the earth that are really there are lined with something heavy (like neutronium), or everything that we know about gravity is fundamentally WRONG. Do not these people think? Cannot they feel the force that holds them down? WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THE WORLD?!?!?

I agree with whoever said that these people should not be allowed to breed... the future already looks dreary enough as it is.

Oh, I'll show them gravity.*Loads rifle, bang bang bang* Flat Earther: Oh, My God!
Me: He can't help you now.*Bang*

Cpt. Marko Ramius · Post by **Cpt. Marko Ramius** » 2002-10-29 07:43pm

Another reason not to piss off those of other religions... they're a hell of a lot funner then those in my religious community.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » 2002-10-30 07:18am

Cpt. Marko Ramius wrote:Another reason not to piss off those of other religions... they're a hell of a lot funner then those in my religious community.

This is where I almost feel sorry for those people who seem to get consumed by hate for some other group that really isn't bothering them.

I mean, there's so much cool stuff to enjoy, can't they see that spending their time on something so bitter and petty as hatred is just psychologically twisted? (well, obviously they can't, or they'd be trying to do something about it - and that would mean admitting *gasp* that they might be *wrong* about something)