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Patrick Degan wrote:

Vympel wrote:In the otherwise superb Cross of Iron (where real T-35/85s are used) stock footage of strafing Corsairs is used as stand-ins for (I presume) Il-2 Sturmoviks.

That's not half as bad as one obscure WW2 film ?can't remember the title? that actually tried to pass off P-51D Mustangs as Luftwaffle planes with black paintjobs and Iron Cross markings. An issue of Air Classics magazine had a still frame from that movie in an article about warbirds on the silver screen.

Well, the P-51A bore some resemblance to a Messerschmitt Bf109 when viewed from a distance.

Zoink wrote:"Saving Private Ryan"

The Tiger tank has its drive spocket on the back instead of the front. The number of idler wheels and their layout is incorrect also. They obviously built a tiger-like frame on another tank body.


EDIT: its not a plane, but I'm sure people like tanks just as much as they do planes

Yes, it was a T-34 in Tiger clothing.

Patrick Degan wrote:
I don't think so, but then again, I'm not going to subject myself to another sit-through of this thoroughly dopey movie just to confirm it one way or the other.

You don't need to, I am completely sure and you could easily find a picture on a web search . There was no trio of decommissioned Knox's at the base to be filmed anyway.

you know what really pisses me off? when a car or a truck in a movie crashes and fucking explodes like it's carrying 50 lb wad of semtex floating in a vat of gasoline. I have seen many an accident in real life and not once has accident scene looked like Dresden circa 1944.

Semtex wont be exploded by fire, it will just burn, and Dresden was firebombed in 1945, YOU FOOL!.

I was just repeating what I had read on the A-1 Skyraider model info sheet. Maybe they had the word "modern" *shrug*.

Well you could say it was the only prop plane to shoot down a MiG-17 and the last to shoot down any jet but that's about as generous as it gets.

That would be the AH-6 (yes, I'm nitpicky today).I'll take your word for it although it looked like a bog-standard Defender to me.

I believe they're was an AH-6 unit based at Fort Hood, whose aviation units supplied the American aircraft for the movie. Anyway I my memory isn't good enough to tell without watching it again

On second thought, that was a stupid thing to say because I don't know there's actually any difference.

There's quite a lot, but you can't see most of it.

And as for the quality of the movie, I refer you to the opening air battle.
The Scorpion first kills the Huey, then one Cobra, and then either manages to run away from the second one or scares IT into running away (can't remember).
Heaven forbid the Cobras maneuver to take it down or (gasp)traverse the gun turret and take the sucker down while its flying beside them maybe a hundred yards away...

The last Cobra runs. However both Cobras had Mk.19 and 7.62mm mini gun turrets installed, hardly suited for air-to-air combat. The triple 20mm gun found on later models is much better for that job, and was used in the air-to-air role with considerable success by Iran against Iraqi aircraft.

I find the fact that the Scorpion made both kills with unguided 70mm rockets far more annoying.

Sea Skimmer wrote:

And as for the quality of the movie, I refer you to the opening air battle.
The Scorpion first kills the Huey, then one Cobra, and then either manages to run away from the second one or scares IT into running away (can't remember).
Heaven forbid the Cobras maneuver to take it down or (gasp)traverse the gun turret and take the sucker down while its flying beside them maybe a hundred yards away...

The last Cobra runs. However both Cobras had Mk.19 and 7.62mm mini gun turrets installed, hardly suited for air-to-air combat. The triple 20mm gun found on later models is much better for that job, and was used in the air-to-air role with considerable success by Iran against Iraqi aircraft.

Odd. I recall the Cobras having the triple 20mm turrets. Oh well, I'm not going to rent that movie just to fail to prove you wrong...

I find the fact that the Scorpion made both kills with unguided 70mm rockets far more annoying.

Didn't you watch Airwolf? You can use unguided rockets to kill ANYTHING!!!
Oh wait, those were supposed to be guided missiles...

Sea Skimmer wrote:

you know what really pisses me off? when a car or a truck in a movie crashes and fucking explodes like it's carrying 50 lb wad of semtex floating in a vat of gasoline. I have seen many an accident in real life and not once has accident scene looked like Dresden circa 1944.

Semtex wont be exploded by fire, it will just burn, and Dresden was firebombed in 1945, YOU FOOL!.

i didn't say it would! when the semtex explodes it will ignite the gasoline and trigger one hell of a fireball causing the ground to be scorched. and ...welll.... '44....'45...umm....well....oops.

My biggest bitches are with infantry forces - in particularly "special" forces as portrayed in movie.

1) The obsession with fast-roping. For no reason at all. "Hey, you know what, I think I might leave my great overwatch position to fastrope down the outside of this structure leaving me heinously exposed and vulnerable, rather than just taking the internal staircase.

2) Incompetent SWAT teams. Saw a fragment of "Without a Trace" the other night in which a SWAT team breached a door with a ram, then the first man through the door sprinted in with his MP5 in a low carry position as if he was running around with a hockey stick. Any kid with a his BB-gun could have gotten at least 2 shots off before that guy could have brought his weapon up to fire. Not to mention the fact that it took 2 seconds for the next man to come through the door behind him...

3) MP5SDs sounding like cannons. See the end battle of GI Jane to get an idea of what I'm talking about. That and the Cobra in that battle carrying blatantly empty rocket pods (you can see straight through the empty tubes several times) but still managing to launch countless rocket barrages.

Quite ironically one of the best realistic action movies I've seen was a little B-grade Robert Patrick movie called "CounterForce". Why? Because they got genuine SWAT teams to do their action sequences for them. Same with X-files in late season 2 onwards when they got Canadian SWAT teams and in some cases JTF2 to do scenes for them.