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Kuja wrote:

Audrie_Dawn wrote:

Kerneth wrote:Civilian ISD Captain, at that. While I have to admit to being amused by the notion of a civilian owned and operated ISD being used as a tourist ship, and while I realize such a vessel would need to be well armed for its own defense, I think having a freaking SUPERLASER mounted on it is a little excessive. Even if Booster has done the New Republic a few favors, that particular degree of armament is a tad much.

Well, no one ever said it was a planet-cracker. Given that we see small superlasers on the LAATs in Episode II, Booster's Darksaber-like secret weapon is probably an axial-mount compound turbolaser that has a lot of punch, but not as good as the proper axial superlasers on the Eclipse and Sovereign class ships (much less the full size ones on the Death Stars).

It's still a state-of-the-art military weapon that's been stolen by a bunch of gangsters and sold off to a ragtag pirate ship. Idiocy.

I swear, if we see the Venture use a superlaser to destroy a planet or even a Worldcraft, I'll never buy another SW novel.

Well, in less than a week, we'll see if the Venture survives the end of the war with the Vong. It probably will.

Stormbringer wrote:

His choice not to use it as a flagship might be a personal one rather then a prestige one.

Fact: The Imperial Remnant has an SSD when they lack the ship builging capacity to construct one.
Fact: The Black Fleet contained 3 SSDs
Fact: There is no evidence the Yevetha lost or scrapped the other 2
Fact: Part of the Black Fleet joined the Imperial Remnant.

Our old friend Occam says that the Empire got atleast one of them.

I just showed you that there is another likely to be from the fleet.

So again the question becomes where the hell did they go? Why didn't the Empire ever make use of them?

They did you idiot. I already said we see SSDs in the NJO era that they could not have built.

Like what? Seriously, there is nothing indicating it uses any special technology like the Eclipse or Sovereign classes do. They were able to maintain one of a kind, special technology test beds, but they can't keep ships makde with standard parts together? And its not like a ship sitting in orbit doing jack shit is gonna get alot of wear and tear here. Quit reaching.

Oh, yes because they just parked them and never used them at any point.

They were in hiding, you don't generally go about blasting everything in space willy nilly if you are trying to keep a low profile. You want to claim they wre used? Prove it.

We don't know they would necessarily be able to duplicate hyperdrives, engines or whatever else of the scale of the Executor. The test beds were dreadnaught sized.

They don't have to build new ones retard, just maintain what is already there. Jesus, have you ever actually done maintenance on heavy duty militry equipment? I have, infact I just did it today: You field day extensively at regular intervals, and have to preform basic valve, circuit, and flow analysis at routine intervals. Thats it. Nothing more. You prevent shit from going wrong so you don't have to replace it.

The fact that Intimidator turned out to be derelitic suggest their maitenance isn't the best.

That an incredibly small group composed of a security force and not a bunch of techs can't maintain a battleship for an extended period has absolutly NOTHING to do with the Yevetha maintenance practices and yoyu damn well know it.

Yet they chose not to. This indicates a choice on the part of the crew, not that the ship was on its last legs.

And who says that? You yourself said that vessels of the fleet did join the Rememnant.

And parts joined the Republic. Different peiople made different fucking decisions. Is this that incredibly hard to grasp?

Rationalization: Person thinking it was mistaken. Gee, that was hard.

So the Cheif of State and presumably the C-in-C forgot about their most powerful warship? That's ridiculous.

A comparison:
"No. that's not possible!"
"so a son doesn't know who his own father is? That's ridiculous"

The statement is known to be false. On top of that, You are clinging to this even though it doesn't prove your point at all because I have already pointed out and you conceded that the reason they couldn't provide an SSD to counter the fleet is because it was engaged against a significant Imperial offensive.

Stormbringer wrote:

Kuja wrote:It's called Need-To-Know Basis, Stormbringer. The Senate has repeatedly showed itself to be incapable of keeping even the most important secrets (Isard's Revenge, New Rebellion), and I find it likely that the military brass wouldn't want a bunch of blockheaded Senators blaring the fact that they're restoring an SSD across the galaxy.

But that doesn't change the fact that the guys in charge of the war and the Cheif of State didn't know. Do you think the Secretary of the Navy or the President completely forget about our carriers in a situation in which we desperately need it?

Occam's Razor:

1) They didn't consider it the equal of the Pride of Yevetha

2) They totally forgot about their very own Executor which would have easily countered the threat.

Jesus fucking Christ, I alredy showed and you conceded that it was agaisnt a significant Imperial Offensive at the time. Give it up, you have nothing to stand on.

Ah Stormbringer, who believes his personal opinion of something's plausability is an argument by which the explicit example of the NRS Lusankya serving in a campiagn against the Imperial Remnant where it destroys HIMS Reaper, another Executor-class commandship, is invalidated.

Perhaps the NRS Lusankya was damaged from the campiagn against the Imperials and in dry dock under consideration to be scrapped. NRI had already dessiminated disinformation it was being scrapped to allow them plausable deniability to suprise the Empire with the ship once repaired?

JME2 wrote:

Stormbringer wrote:

Ender wrote:Wedge placed cannons from the Lusankya (though how a single ISD can hold many of the weapons on an Executor class is beyond me) on the Errant Venture.

Given the mincing pacifist nature of the New Republic it's possible the Lusankya was never refitted to full Executor-class levels. In the Black Fleet Crisis the NR dreads the confrontation with the Yevethan SSD because they had nothing to match it. That seems to me to be evidence that the New Republic never repaired any of it's SSD's to Imperial standards.

True - it took them almost four years to get Lusankya back in action after the Bacta War.

Wouldn't more extensive refitting take longer?

How many years of service was the Lusankya at when this talk of scrapping began, just curious?

Vympel wrote:How many years of service was the Lusankya at when this talk of scrapping began, just curious?

Well, the Black Fleet Crisis is 16 years after Yavin, and Lusankya was captured about seven years after Yavin.

The NRDF has owned her for nine years, and she's been serving for about five (her refit was complete about 9 A.B.Y.).

Once again, where was it stated, that the "Reaper" was destroyed in a fight with the "Lusankya"?

FTeik wrote:Once again, where was it stated, that the "Reaper" was destroyed in a fight with the "Lusankya"?

Essential Chronology

You must have a different version of the book than i do.

The EC says, that the "Reaper" was lost when Pellaeon tried to stop the advances of the NR in the Antemeridian-sector, but it doesn´t say how.

The chain of events is as following:

12-13 BBY:
Pellaeon gives up deep core territories and takes command of the "Reaper".
Six months later he starts conquering planets.
The NR reacts late, but sents the "Lusankya" commanded by Wedge Antilles.
The fighting goes on for months and during the battle of Orinda the "Reaper" destroys the carrier "Endurance".
The NR retreats and leaves Orinda in the hands of the empire.

13 BBY Events of mission to Adumar / DeathSeed

Pellaeon loses the "Reaper" after the events of "Planet of Twilight" when the NR invades Moff Getelles Anitmeridian-sector with two fleets, but it says nothing about the "Lusankya".

Conceded.

You know, this talk about the Event Venture having a superlaser seems to be interesting, but how does this explain why Lah thought that the ISD, had miminal combat capability and how the fact that the Lusankya turbolaser batteries being refitted on the Errant seems to prove him right.........


Furthermore, does anyone has the exact quote of the Lusankya being scrapped?

Actually, now that I've examined things from other sources so far, having an axial superlaser isn't that incredible. Consider than the Republic LAATs had a bunch of them, and the foundry and Geonosis had one, too.

phongn wrote:Actually, now that I've examined things from other sources so far, having an axial superlaser isn't that incredible. Consider than the Republic LAATs had a bunch of them, and the foundry and Geonosis had one, too.

It isn't. The "pinpoint composite beam" concept doesn't seem to be all that unusual. There are even exmaples in official literature (skynxnyx's dual blaster from thei first Jedi Academy trilogy book - it combined two smaller beams into a single, more powerful beam Superlaser-style, technobabble issues aside.)

Ender wrote:(though how a single ISD can hold many of the weapons on an Executor class is beyond me)

Huh?
They used the weapons of the Lusankya to keep the entire fleet at full strenght, not just the EV.

Kuja wrote:It's still a state-of-the-art military weapon that's been stolen by a bunch of gangsters and sold off to a ragtag pirate ship. Idiocy.

I swear, if we see the Venture use a superlaser to destroy a planet or even a Worldcraft, I'll never buy another SW novel.

If what we know of SW weaponry to be true, a superlaser focusing all the firepower of an ISD's heavy weapons into one shot would pretty much kill the planet and crack the crust open.

Okay, for anyone wondering, the EV does survive the NJO.

His Divine Shadow wrote:

Kuja wrote:It's still a state-of-the-art military weapon that's been stolen by a bunch of gangsters and sold off to a ragtag pirate ship. Idiocy.

I swear, if we see the Venture use a superlaser to destroy a planet or even a Worldcraft, I'll never buy another SW novel.

If what we know of SW weaponry to be true, a superlaser focusing all the firepower of an ISD's heavy weapons into one shot would pretty much kill the planet and crack the crust open.

Care to back that up with numbers?

Illuminatus Primus wrote:Care to back that up with numbers?

Should I really have to? I mean, you should know the firepower figures better than me since you spend more time here.

Still, according to Saxton we could expect some 1e24j for a broadside(only numbers I can remember of the top of my head), or 239 teratons, or if the firepower of not just half, but all the weapons goes into one huge shot, 478TT.

EDIT:
For a real-life analysis, you could find out what occurs when a 478TT laser pulse hits the surface of say an earth like planet.