Post-New Jedi Order

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-11-26 04:13pm

More on the Bounty Hunters, without the Boba Fett wankfests. I liked the Wraith Books, mainly because i can associate more with the characters. As Wedge roughly said when proposing their formation not everyone can associate with being a hero, some people are just pure fuck ups.

I've read of the books set between the PT and frankly they all sucked so far, with the exception of Rogue Planet. But even rogue planet had me screaming at certain points.

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2003-11-26 04:43pm

SPOOFE wrote:Frankly, I wish they'd write some stores about some of the missions that Winter did, back during the Rebellion. They only hinted at it, and I always found her to be an interesting character. For once, a strong female character that wasn't full of piss and vinegar!

The problem, though, is that now that the Empire is wrapped up (and there aren't many gaps that leave you wondering), going back and writing extra will require them to make up gaps we never knew or cared about just to close them. We KNOW everything the Empire tried. It would be very corny if they made up some evil galaxy threatening plot that was happening behind the scenes while all the other books were going on, and then wrote a whole book about how someone stops the Empire from doing it.

Either Winter would fight against some average Imperial grunts doing the normal thing (conquering worlds, killing innocents, etc), when Winter aka Targetter would come running in and save the day, or the Empire would get some big evil plot that Winter would foil. Either way, they'd be repeats of old plots.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2003-11-26 07:08pm

Praxis wrote:
SPOOFE wrote:Frankly, I wish they'd write some stores about some of the missions that Winter did, back during the Rebellion. They only hinted at it, and I always found her to be an interesting character. For once, a strong female character that wasn't full of piss and vinegar!
The problem, though, is that now that the Empire is wrapped up (and there aren't many gaps that leave you wondering), going back and writing extra will require them to make up gaps we never knew or cared about just to close them. We KNOW everything the Empire tried. It would be very corny if they made up some evil galaxy threatening plot that was happening behind the scenes while all the other books were going on, and then wrote a whole book about how someone stops the Empire from doing it.

Either Winter would fight against some average Imperial grunts doing the normal thing (conquering worlds, killing innocents, etc), when Winter aka Targetter would come running in and save the day, or the Empire would get some big evil plot that Winter would foil. Either way, they'd be repeats of old plots.

Not necessarily. There's still the 18-year gap from Palpatine's declaration of the New Order to the Battle Yavin, as well as a little more expansion from Yavin to Endor - I for one would like to know more about Mon Mothma and Bail Organa's initial plannings of Rebellion or what Kyle Katarn was doing between Dark Forcrs and Dark Forces II (That's the joy of The Unifying Force - Katarn got his first EU line and thus cementing him in the EU, meaning that his tales can no longer be considered as Infinites).

Of course, this all depends on the specifics of Episode III, even though we know what is essentially going to happen.[/i]

Sir Sirius · Post by **Sir Sirius** » 2003-11-26 08:12pm

Or Winter could be shown doing standard spook grunt work. No need to for some contrived plot device threatning the entire galaxy, just a good old fashioned spy story in situated in an SW setting. There were quite a few people involved in the Rebellion, most of them never accomplished anything Earth shattering, but their combined effort was what kept the Rebellion going, tell us what the "little people" of the Rebellion did instead of babling on about the same few heroes saving the galaxy over and over again. Personaly I'm pretty fed up with the 'bunch of heroes save the galaxy from the menacing plot device of the week' theme common in the EU.

Arrow · Post by **Arrow** » 2003-11-26 11:33pm

Sir Sirius wrote:Or Winter could be shown doing standard spook grunt work. No need to for some contrived plot device threatning the entire galaxy, just a good old fashioned spy story in situated in an SW setting. There were quite a few people involved in the Rebellion, most of them never accomplished anything Earth shattering, but their combined effort was what kept the Rebellion going, tell us what the "little people" of the Rebellion did instead of babling on about the same few heroes saving the galaxy over and over again. Personaly I'm pretty fed up with the 'bunch of heroes save the galaxy from the menacing plot device of the week' theme common in the EU.

I like that idea. Make it a "Ronin" type plot line, were Winter (or somebody) has to grab a case that's of critical importance to the Rebellion, but she never knows whats in the case, why its important or what will be done with 'it'.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2003-11-27 12:51pm

I just found a potential subplot that could continue in the post-NJO.

Now, I was rereading book # 14, Destiny's Way (until the post-NJO trilogy by Troy Denning comes out in 2005, I have no other Star Wars books to read; I refuse to touch any of the Clone Wars novels) and I found something very interesting.

In order to make up for the losses suffered in the push for Coruscant as well as the post-Coruscant conquests, the Supreme Overlord ordered all warriors to mate. When Nom Anor revealed the [false] information regarding Ebaq Nine, we learned that the Warmaster had found a pretty sub-officer.

Now, we have no way of knowing if ol' Tsavong hopped on the bad foot (pardon the pun, given the events of Balance Point) and did the good thing, as Austin Powers would put it.

But if he did and if she survived the final battle, then its possible that either herself or her child, even from Zonama Sekot, may wish or implement bad things upon Jaina Solo...

Crazedwraith · Post by **Crazedwraith** » 2003-11-27 03:36pm

JME2 wrote:I just found a potential subplot that could continue in the post-NJO.

Now, I was rereading book # 14, Destiny's Way (until the post-NJO trilogy by Troy Denning comes out in 2005, I have no other Star Wars books to read; I refuse to touch any of the Clone Wars novels) and I found something very interesting.

In order to make up for the losses suffered in the push for Coruscant as well as the post-Coruscant conquests, the Supreme Overlord ordered all warriors to mate. When Nom Anor revealed the [false] information regarding Ebaq Nine, we learned that the Warmaster had found a pretty sub-officer.

Now, we have no way of knowing if ol' Tsavong hopped on the bad foot (pardon the pun, given the events of Balance Point) and did the good thing, as Austin Powers would put it.

But if he did and if she survived the final battle, then its possible that either herself or her child, even from Zonama Sekot, may wish or implement bad things upon Jaina Solo...

Tsvanong Lah died in glorious battle did he not? Do the vong not like death? To the intent of thinking all life is prepation of death? Or was this made more conservative as NJO went on? The whole pain/death thing was only a domain shai thing, as corran might have said.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-11-27 05:50pm

OTOH The warmaster may have had a few wee warmasters left behind, maybe one will come to power in years to come and try and avenge him.

That said i hold the opinion that the Vong are done with and to invite a new alien threat would be shite, any books about the politics of the post Vong GFFA would be crap.

However there is a whole universe to play with. I know there have been comics on the Sith War, how about an expandsion on them. There is 35,000 odd years with of history in the Star Wars galaxy to play with. How about something focusing on how the Jedi Order was formed, and by that i mean the very 1st group of force users.

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2003-11-27 07:56pm

JME2 wrote:
Praxis wrote:
SPOOFE wrote:Frankly, I wish they'd write some stores about some of the missions that Winter did, back during the Rebellion. They only hinted at it, and I always found her to be an interesting character. For once, a strong female character that wasn't full of piss and vinegar!
The problem, though, is that now that the Empire is wrapped up (and there aren't many gaps that leave you wondering), going back and writing extra will require them to make up gaps we never knew or cared about just to close them. We KNOW everything the Empire tried. It would be very corny if they made up some evil galaxy threatening plot that was happening behind the scenes while all the other books were going on, and then wrote a whole book about how someone stops the Empire from doing it.

Either Winter would fight against some average Imperial grunts doing the normal thing (conquering worlds, killing innocents, etc), when Winter aka Targetter would come running in and save the day, or the Empire would get some big evil plot that Winter would foil. Either way, they'd be repeats of old plots.
Not necessarily. There's still the 18-year gap from Palpatine's declaration of the New Order to the Battle Yavin, as well as a little more expansion from Yavin to Endor - I for one would like to know more about Mon Mothma and Bail Organa's initial plannings of Rebellion or what Kyle Katarn was doing between Dark Forcrs and Dark Forces II (That's the joy of The Unifying Force - Katarn got his first EU line and thus cementing him in the EU, meaning that his tales can no longer be considered as Infinites).

Of course, this all depends on the specifics of Episode III, even though we know what is essentially going to happen.[/i]

Not true: they mentioned Kyle Katarn in another book before The Unifying Force. Luke was thinking about all the Jedi he hadn't heard from, and hoped they weren't dead- Kyle Katarn and Octa Ramis were among them. We see both of them un the end of The Unifying Force.

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-11-28 03:51am

The mentions of Kyle Katarn, what do you think the likelihood of Kyle Katarn taking on the Vong in the next edition of Jedi Outcast

Addendum: (since I already had the last post in this thread and I dont feel like inflating the count anymore than necessary):

Hows this for an NJO Scenario.

Alpha Red wasnt stopped. In fact it was incubating in shitloads of soldiers the entire time, see the GFFA scientists released it into their own populations as a way to test to see if it would work on non-Vong species.

Well they fucked up, it merely lay dormant. Now thousands of worlds are infected by the running Rampant Alpha Red virus. The galaxy begins to completely devolve, and galactic civilization begins to crumble as worlds become inhabitable. the only real civilization left is the spacelanes. Unaffected planets and smaller goernments are increasingly isolationist and paranoid.

As a further catch, Force users are unaffected, as they are well, strong with the force and that naturally bolsters their system enough. The Vong were stripped of the force, and those stricken with the disease have naturally small presences in the force. So naturally the anti Jedi sentiment rises as well. The Jedi order is forced into become nomadic spacefaring outcasts.

This is the scenario I envisioned if anakin hadn't gave up his life to beat the VOxyn, only in that particular instance a lot omore Jedi would have been butchered, with only the Solo Children and a handful of others left. but Im not big on AUs so ja...

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2003-12-01 03:05am

Could work as an AU fic.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2003-12-02 01:50am

In any event, there are indeed a large number of possible plot-lines that Troy Denning can delve into with his 2005 trilogy - we need only wait until its arrival. Until then, I'll simply reread the NJO, avoid the Clone Wars novels, and get cracking on finishing my Trek/Wars crossover, The Best of Both Worlds.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2003-12-02 09:19pm

Lord Pounder wrote:OTOH The warmaster may have had a few wee warmasters left behind, maybe one will come to power in years to come and try and avenge him.

Yeah, especially since Khalee Lah's suicide in Dark Journey.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-12-02 09:21pm

I'd let the EU be after the NJO, personally.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2003-12-02 09:25pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:I'd let the EU be after the NJO, personally.

Lucasfilm probably won't let it and not just because of the 2005 trilogy. Remember, each NJO book was a New York Times bestseller, something that the last few Bantam novels failed to achieve (with the exception of TZ's Hand of Thrawn duology).

But still, it probably should get a rest - there's little they could do after this point other than the Clone Wars novels - which as I stated, I will avoid.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-12-02 09:26pm

Well, I more meant that there are more temporal directions to go than forward, actually...

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2003-12-02 09:29pm

There's also the roughly 4,000 year gap between the Exar Kun-Sith Era and the rise of the Empire. That's a lot is like Star Trek's lost Era; we know a little bit of what happened, but not a lot.

In any event, TUF does give the impression of wrapping up the EU universe.

Or maybe we could have anotheranthology of short stories...

The possibilities are limitless...

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-12-02 09:33pm

I think there should be more of an emphasis of movie and post-RotJ EU side stories, really.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2003-12-02 09:56pm

Hmm...Maybe an look at the early stages of the Rebellion...

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-12-02 10:00pm

I want to see the intra-Imperial civil conflicts which brought the Empire of Endor down to where the New Republic could conquer it.

I also want to see some of the big fleet battles between the core of the new NRDF and the Navy, fitted out in Saxton-scale glory, with Giel's fleet style ships. We really don't pick up on what the big campiagns are until Coruscant, and then cut to Zsinj. The dirty gritty fighting should be further exploited.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2003-12-02 10:01pm

Another idea would be the gap between the Hand of Thrawn duology and Vector Prime. Sure we have the YJK and JJK series, but I'd focus more on the prospect of peace with the Empire, Fey'lya's ascension to the lauded position of Chief of State, and possibly the Monor II incident.

Post by **Kuja** » 2003-12-03 01:07am

JME2 wrote:Hmm...Maybe a look at the early stages of the Rebellion...

Indeed, I would love to see a short series or maybe jsut a trilogy about the Empire smacking the Rebellion around harder and harder, with the last book making references to the glory the Death Star will bring to the Imperial Navy, maybe by a certain Vice Admiral Motti.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2003-12-03 01:09am

Kuja wrote:
JME2 wrote:Hmm...Maybe a look at the early stages of the Rebellion...
Indeed, I would love to see a short series or maybe jsut a trilogy about the Empire smacking the Rebellion around harder and harder, with the last book making references to the glory the Death Star will bring to the Imperial Navy, maybe by a certain Vice Admiral Motti.

Of course, such a project can't be undertaken until Episode III is released - who knows if the RA will start in the film or if we'll get hints of it...

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-12-03 10:24am

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2003-12-04 01:57am

Where did you find this?