How would you improve an ISD?

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2002-10-07 09:39pm

Oh yeah, I would also make it so that each deck has the artificial gravity inverted to the next one. That would be fun.

Icehawk · Post by **Icehawk** » 2002-10-08 01:27am

For a standard ISD upgrade I would:

1) Replace the standard HTL's with composite beam turret (deathstar style beam) HTL's. Same power as the normal HTLs, but now they have greater pinpoint acccuracy

2) Move the Bridge inside the main hull (Duh)

3) Improved sensor and targeting systems on the LTL's and point defence guns for better eliminating starfighters in the event of a shield failure or knockout.

4) Redesign the underside of the main hull to better accomodate the main reactor so that it isnt bulging out.

5) The only ships its equipped with will be 2 squads of TIE Defenders, and a Squad of Scimitar Assault Bombers, it still retains its other various shuttles and landing craft though.

6) Main Hull will be coloured black so that it better hides it visual signature in the darkness of space.

For a new type of ISD:

Carrier Class

1) Will be 2.5km in length and the hull will be designed in a way to accommodate and quickly launch a vast array of TIE Defender and Scimitar bomber squadrons as well as large ammounts of Heavy assault craft such as missile boats, Skipray Blastboats, and Prefabricated Landing bases.

2) Armament consists of hundreds of high kiloton/low megaton range anti-starfighter weaponry as well as numerous counter measure systems to defend against high yield proton torpedo/concussion missile strikes.

3) Will mount only 4 Composite beam turret HTL's to defend against the occasional capital ship that somehow gets past the other main ISD's

4) Will have 2 smaller sized main reactor systems. One dedicated to running the ship and weapons while the other is strictly dedicated to powering the shield systems.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 2002-10-08 08:52am

IG-88E wrote:
johnpham wrote:First off I would have dedicated ships for each purpose

Does SW have wormhole tech? I mean how else would they be able to fuel the Death Star?
The hell are you talking about?

On wongs site he suggests that the DS is fueled through a wormhole, or super dense matter, probably the wormhole, since there are no tanks in the deathstar. Besides, you don't need a wormhole. Does'nt SW have these "magic ring" transporters?

Spartan · Post by **Spartan** » 2002-10-08 11:54am

johnpham wrote:

On wongs site he suggests that the DS is fueled through a wormhole, or super dense matter, probably the wormhole, since there are no tanks in the deathstar. Besides, you don't need a wormhole. Does'nt SW have these "magic ring" transporters?

Oh, I get now! They have a coupla guys with shovels tossing hypermatter through the ring and into the reactor lol.

Seriously the technology your describing is lost tech and created by a dead race to boot. There is no evidence the mainstream SW galaxy even knows of this tech existence.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 2002-10-08 07:43pm

Oh well then you still got the wormhole. Otherwise just have ships hypering in to resupply the carrier and other ships. The med ship though would be useless. The carrier would also have designs to manufacture fighters other then the "economy" TIEs?

I would also attach a telescope and a targeting computer with decent AI, reducing the need for the inaccurate Imp gunners. Gunners would still be needed, since AI is limited. Also computers go down when Ion Cannon hits.

CmdrWilkens · Post by **CmdrWilkens** » 2002-10-08 09:55pm

Icehawk wrote: 6) Main Hull will be coloured black so that it better hides it visual signature in the darkness of space.

Black isn't neccessarily the way to go since:

1) It absrobs a lot of incoming radiation (and there is enough out there) so it would look like a hole in a background of radiation.

2) It would radiate as a very good balckbody (hence the term) and would have a freakin HUGE thermal signature even comapred with what it already likely has.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-10-08 10:14pm

Besides, painting a ship all-black is not even the best thing to do to confuse enemy targeting. It is better to try to break up the outline with geometric patterns, although it has never been tried to my knowledge on anything anywhere near that big.

Icehawk · Post by **Icehawk** » 2002-10-08 11:48pm

Didn't Admiral Dalla's SSD Knight Hammer have a black hull though? And wasn't it specifically for the reason for better hiding its visual signature?

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-10-08 11:50pm

Icehawk wrote:Didn't Admiral Dalla's SSD Knight Hammer have a black hull though? And wasn't it specifically for the reason for better hiding its visual signature?

No, it was made out of a different material IIRC.

Icehawk · Post by **Icehawk** » 2002-10-09 01:50am

[quote]http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/posting.ph ... ply&t=3510[/quote

Oh well, whatever it was, it was for stealth reasons (could have sworn it had something to do with a darkened hull though) and thats what I would use for the upgrade I mentioned.

Icehawk · Post by **Icehawk** » 2002-10-09 01:50am

No, it was made out of a different material IIRC.

Oh well, whatever it was, it was for stealth reasons (could have sworn it had something to do with a darkened hull though) and thats what I would use for the upgrade I mentioned.

spongyblue · Post by **spongyblue** » 2002-10-09 03:02am

Heated Leather seats
Cappicino machine
That Blue Tenticle Chick and about 1500 of her friends
A Video Game console Museam(From Atari to Playstation 19 and beyond)
waterbed
HUGE lava lamps to repalce the sensor domes
Droid dance-off every friday night,' Which Droid does the best "Robot"? Vp-232 from navigation, or R5-D7 from supply, YOU BE THE JUDGE Friday night at Coriscant a Go-Go on deck 13, right past uniform issue'

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 2002-10-09 10:15am

The Knight Hammer was black because it had special sensor stealth armor, and it still got blown up

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-10-09 10:36am

The Knight Hammer was black because it had special sensor stealth armor, and it still got blown up

Acutal to be presise it was crushed into tiny bits by Yavin

Moonshadow · Post by **Moonshadow** » 2002-10-09 01:55pm

my comment wasn't to make it a stealth ship, it was to make it look more intimidating( like the Eclipse Class SSD)

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2002-10-09 02:15pm

Just popped in to tell Muad'Dib that the domes on an ISD tower aren't shield generators. They're sensor domes.

CmdrWilkens · Post by **CmdrWilkens** » 2002-10-09 08:23pm

Icehawk wrote:
No, it was made out of a different material IIRC.
Oh well, whatever it was, it was for stealth reasons (could have sworn it had something to do with a darkened hull though) and thats what I would use for the upgrade I mentioned.

It did have a darkened hull but all-black would paint the perfect targetting silhouette even in deep space. The Knight Hammer was darkeend AND sensor stealthed which Daala probably described as black but rememebr she's an idiot.

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2002-10-09 11:33pm

you can use the running lights, windows, whatever, to help break up the outline on an all black ship, worst case you can string some christmas lights down the outside. For true stealth, you need to engineer in a truly ridiculous battery capacity, and use that to store the energy you would be radiating otherwise. It won't work forever, but it will help, especially in the short term.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 2002-10-10 12:19pm

Just popped in to tell Muad'Dib that the domes on an ISD tower aren't shield generators. They're sensor domes.

if the domes on top of the bridge tower are sensor domes how come in the Wraith Squadron books destroying them took down the shields of the SSD, Razor's Kiss, Warlord Zsinj was stealing

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-10-10 12:23pm

Muad'Dib wrote:
Just popped in to tell Muad'Dib that the domes on an ISD tower aren't shield generators. They're sensor domes.

if the domes on top of the bridge tower are sensor domes how come in the Wraith Squadron books destroying them took down the shields of the SSD, Razor's Kiss, Warlord Zsinj was stealing

Gentlemen, this issue has been beaten to death. We are NOT starting it over. Please stay on topic.

FettKyle · Post by **FettKyle** » 2002-10-11 02:54am

I'd turn the walk way between the two crew pits into a striper walk way and put a few GO-GO poles.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 2002-10-11 03:01pm

i'd get rid of crew pits period, they are a health and safty risk, how many bridge crews die because of badly designed crew pits when the bridge windows get shattered. make the bridge more like, andi hate to admit this, a starfleet bridge. much easier

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2002-10-11 03:14pm

Muad'Dib wrote:i'd get rid of crew pits period, they are a health and safty risk, how many bridge crews die because of badly designed crew pits when the bridge windows get shattered. make the bridge more like, andi hate to admit this, a starfleet bridge. much easier

I might start something here but, I all ways thought the "bridge" shown on the movies was more of a command bridge than a functional bridge. You allways see the command element and like what 10 crewmen in that room. I would think that there would be another bridge or control room or conning station for helm, and navigation. Other purpose built rooms for other major systems.

CmdrWilkens · Post by **CmdrWilkens** » 2002-10-12 01:09am

Muad'Dib wrote:
Just popped in to tell Muad'Dib that the domes on an ISD tower aren't shield generators. They're sensor domes.

if the domes on top of the bridge tower are sensor domes how come in the Wraith Squadron books destroying them took down the shields of the SSD, Razor's Kiss, Warlord Zsinj was stealing

The domes being sensor domes depends on which EU sources you take on the matter. Some material (notably the Mandel blueprints and to a lesser degree SW.com) have them as sensor domes while much of the novelised EU has them as shield generators.

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-10-12 01:15am

CmdrWilkens wrote:
Muad'Dib wrote:
Just popped in to tell Muad'Dib that the domes on an ISD tower aren't shield generators. They're sensor domes.

if the domes on top of the bridge tower are sensor domes how come in the Wraith Squadron books destroying them took down the shields of the SSD, Razor's Kiss, Warlord Zsinj was stealing
The domes being sensor domes depends on which EU sources you take on the matter. Some material (notably the Mandel blueprints and to a lesser degree SW.com) have them as sensor domes while much of the novelised EU has them as shield generators.

This bickering is pointless.

This has been beaten to death on the ISD domes thread. ENOUGH!