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Posted: 2003-12-12 05:34am
by Slartibartfast
weemadando wrote:Yes, the problem is that the game claims to be deeper than it actually is, and provides you with completely useless classes like *scout* or *city rat* and useless skills (when the idea is to be a gun-toting bastard who shoots all that moves, and doesn't remove his armor even to go to bed - who knows if there are MegaDamage fleas under the sheets)
It sounds to me like a case of bad GMing... If you're just on a run and gun game, then tell the GM to put down RIFTs and go and play Macho Women With Guns. In fact, if you look at the majority of role-playing systems they're all geared towards combat, but that doesn't mean that you HAVE TO HAVE A COMBAT FOCUSED GAME.
You got it backwards. What I'm saying is that Rifts might possibly be good for a mindless MegaDamage (TM) combat focused game, but it really really sucks at being anything deeper than that (like having skills, totally useless, this system is clearly not intended for anything other than blowing up crap and being a Dragon RCC)
Posted: 2003-12-12 05:35am
by Slartibartfast
Rifts = Synibarr Lite
Posted: 2003-12-12 05:37am
by Slartibartfast
weemadando wrote:SirNitram wrote:How can discussing the author of RIFTS' tone be put down to a GM problem, dare I ask?
Kevin Siembada is a dick. No two ways about it. But if you ignore his wanking in the introduction to each book, then the system isn't that bad.
As for stuff like "Oh dear, I better wear my armour to bed incase of MDC fleas", thats just like saying in regards to DnD or something: "Gee I better sleep with my +5 longsword of dragonslaying, just incase that bar-wench I picked up is a Dragon in human guise". Its stupid and taking a case to the extreme.
Just reading the books, in Rifts 9 times out of 10, the bar-wench *IS* a Dragon in human guise
and it also HAS megadamage fleas for good measure.
MDC/SDC differentiation was best described to me by a friend using the tennis ball analogy.
A tennis ball does 1 SDC. Modern body armour, has a 100SDC/1MDC. But no matter how many times you throw the tennis ball at the body armour, you're not going to degrade its effectiveness.
Except that in Rifts, the only thing in the universe that has SDC are humans. Even the family dog has MDC.
CORRECTION: Actually, the only things with SDC are humans and old dune buggies. So if you ever go to a Pre-Rifts museum, you can pitch your human against an old dune buggy.
Posted: 2003-12-12 05:47am
by Slartibartfast
Posted: 2003-12-12 07:14pm
by weemadando
Thankyou thankyou thankyou...
So what is YOUR favourite system?
Posted: 2003-12-12 07:16pm
by weemadando
Oh and by the way that page didn't make a single real point as far as I could see.
Posted: 2003-12-12 07:46pm
by Arthur_Tuxedo
weemadando wrote:Oh and by the way that page didn't make a single real point as far as I could see.
No it didn't. It was just incoherent ranting.
Posted: 2003-12-12 07:57pm
by SAMAS
SirNitram wrote:SAMAS wrote:SirNitram wrote:If you have a handheld pistol that can bring down large armoured targets, and you're still building the large, armoured targets, the system has very little thought behind it.
Well, the armor has grown alongside the weapons, of course. So shooting a Mega-damage pistol at a Mega-damage tank is only a little more effective than shooting a normal gun at a normal tank.
So this super-duper-uber-omgwow pistol has no use even in it's own universe, being ridiculous and absurd overkill for infantry and unable to harm tanks?
Wow, it's stupider than I thought.
Well, yeah, if your GM forgets to put people in body armor...
Posted: 2003-12-13 03:54am
by consequences
Cyberpunk 2020 is always good for killing people, an average heavy pistol shot to the body is already putting you in danger of dying each round.
For critical systems, the Middle Earth Rloe playing game had some truly lovely critical/fumble tables that we adapted for most rpgs in my group.
And Traveler isn't alone in killing you in character generation, its possible to do it in Hackmaster as well with the class specific books.
Posted: 2003-12-13 06:24am
by ShinjiGohan
Alyeska wrote:Most lethal computer system I saw was when a guy sealed up every opening to his computer, filled it entirely with water, then tried turning it on...
how did he fill it up with water if all of the opennings where sealed?
Posted: 2003-12-13 10:31am
by Iceberg
Hell, if you fail your system shock roll, a .22 Saturday Night Special can kill you in Cyberpunk with no trouble at all.
Posted: 2003-12-13 06:59pm
by Slartibartfast
Arthur_Tuxedo wrote:weemadando wrote:Oh and by the way that page didn't make a single real point as far as I could see.
No it didn't. It was just incoherent ranting.
Rrright.
Posted: 2003-12-13 08:10pm
by Arthur_Tuxedo
Slartibartfast wrote:Arthur_Tuxedo wrote:No it didn't. It was just incoherent ranting.
Rrright.
Hey, I'm no RIFTS fan (although apparently I'm more of a fan than you) but that website made no coherent points. It was just a bunch of "you know what else I hate about RIFTS? They never say whether a credit is a coin or a bill or what! What the fuck is that shit?!? AHHHHH!!!!!11111"