11 year old gives birth to son

revprez · Post by **revprez** » 2004-01-26 07:37pm

The Aliens wrote:Unsupported statement. We know that Catholic priests in the past have sexually molested children, and unless you can bring up a case of an atheist Communist party chairman doing the same, you're taking a shot in the dark.

Mao Zedong frequently had relations with girls as young as nine. And while not a party chairman, Harry Hay is another well known pedophile/atheist/communist. Holy shit! I think my aim just got a little better!

In theory, anyone 'with a taste for such thing' would do it, regardless of religious or political persuasion, maniacs know no political bounds.

Nice way to cover your ass.

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The Aliens · Post by **The Aliens** » 2004-01-26 07:42pm

revprez wrote:Mao Zedong frequently had relations with girls as young as nine. Holy shit! I think my aim just got a little better!

Point conceeded.

Nice way to cover your ass.

You made the quote that anyone with such a taste in things could do it, I brought up the full ramifications of that. If you think it's 'covering my ass', then you need to be more careful about what you say.

Incidentally, and to answer your original question, since the mother and son are both fine, an abortion is unecessary. With the gift of hindsight we know that an abortion would have been wrong, but if the life of the girl was threatened then an abortion becomes a viable option- provided the baby has not reached the half-way point. It's a grey area, and a yes or no answer in this context would be inflammatory and inacurrate.

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Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-01-26 07:42pm

Let's not limit it to them!

We got our good ol' SA Stormtrooper leader, Ernst Röhm, would recruit schoolboys for his bedroom antics.

h0rus · Post by **h0rus** » 2004-01-26 08:24pm

Montcalm wrote:OK she`s 11 year old so i`m assuming she was impregnated at 10 then what kind of fucker do this to a child.

Well, gee. Maybe she wanted to get fucked. Did you ever think about that? Or perhaps you could say: "I don't know under what circumstances this occured. So maybe I should refrain from speaking out of my self-righteous asshole"

Evasion of criminal charges is not admittance to rape.

h0rus · Post by **h0rus** » 2004-01-26 08:25pm

Captain_Cyran wrote:I'm gonna assume the girl was raped... Because I honestly can't think of any 10 year old that would do that.

Maybe I just have too much faith in humanity. But ugh, that is horribly sick.

You've obviously never gone out of your house and lived in the world.

revprez · Post by **revprez** » 2004-01-26 08:30pm

h0rus wrote:
Captain_Cyran wrote:I'm gonna assume the girl was raped... Because I honestly can't think of any 10 year old that would do that.

Maybe I just have too much faith in humanity. But ugh, that is horribly sick.
You've obviously never gone out of your house and lived in the world.

Who knows. Most of the kids in my neighborhood did it for the first time when they were real young, like sixth and seventh grade. Never heard of a 10 year old, but when I was that young a lot of the girls were pretty developed by 11 and 12 and ready to fuck.

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Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-01-26 08:32pm

h0rus wrote:
Montcalm wrote:OK she`s 11 year old so i`m assuming she was impregnated at 10 then what kind of fucker do this to a child.

Well, gee. Maybe she wanted to get fucked. Did you ever think about that? Or perhaps you could say: "I don't know under what circumstances this occured. So maybe I should refrain from speaking out of my self-righteous asshole"

Evasion of criminal charges is not admittance to rape.

That is one of the most repulsive things I have ever read...

revprez · Post by **revprez** » 2004-01-26 08:38pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:
h0rus wrote:
Montcalm wrote:OK she`s 11 year old so i`m assuming she was impregnated at 10 then what kind of fucker do this to a child.

Well, gee. Maybe she wanted to get fucked. Did you ever think about that? Or perhaps you could say: "I don't know under what circumstances this occured. So maybe I should refrain from speaking out of my self-righteous asshole"

Evasion of criminal charges is not admittance to rape.
That is one of the most repulsive things I have ever read...

It's funny how some people think of it. I mean, we're all disgusted by this image of these pre-teen girls with dolls and curls getting kidnapped and assaulted by old freaks, but when your her age and she's got T&A and the old freak is some guy in his twenties she's been banging since sixth grade, you just think of her as a slut and move on. That's why I'm all for statutory rape laws. I know a lot of sluts that ended up getting pregnant and strung out while raising the kid by 15; it's had enough when the guy is the same age, it's just damned wrong for somebody who's old enough to know better to abuse a kid that way.

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The Morrigan · Post by **The Morrigan** » 2004-01-26 08:42pm

Nathan F wrote:WTF?!
If convicted of having sexual relations with a minor, he faces a maximum prison sentence of three years.
Only THREE years for knocking up a 10 year old?! Let's just hope the creep get's sex-starved Bubba for a cell mate.

Firstly, my sentiments exactly.

Secondly , just reading that article makes me want to take a shower.

The Aliens · Post by **The Aliens** » 2004-01-26 08:49pm

That's why I'm all for statutory rape laws. I know a lot of sluts that ended up getting pregnant and strung out while raising the kid by 15; it's had enough when the guy is the same age, it's just damned wrong for somebody who's old enough to know better to abuse a kid that way.

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We don't agree on much, but I second this. Statutory rape laws here permit a fourteen-year old to have relations with an adult- I'm sorry, but that's too young to make responsible decisions about sex.

revprez · Post by **revprez** » 2004-01-26 08:54pm

The Aliens wrote:We don't agree on much, but I second this. Statutory rape laws here permit a fourteen-year old to have relations with an adult- I'm sorry, but that's too young to make responsible decisions about sex.

Can't say I'd go that far with it--the sex decision thing. I kicked off back in seventh grade, and since I'm not all that repentant about it I'd be a hypocrite to say its wrong for teenagers to screw (with each other). But they shouldn't be stupid about it, and if you're a guy it's good to know the smart ones from the dumb sluts. The good news is after you turn 18 there's a whole world of slutty and smart women.

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Post by **Gandalf** » 2004-01-26 08:54pm

Does anyone know of any statistics that say how many young folk nowadays choose to wait for the right time?

Seems that many I know just jump in the sack at the first opportunity.

revprez · Post by **revprez** » 2004-01-26 09:02pm

Gandalf wrote:Does anyone know of any statistics that say how many young folk nowadays choose to wait for the right time?

Seems that many I know just jump in the sack at the first opportunity.

The right time is the first, second and nth opportunity...

Seriously, I ran across a site that details the results of a 1999 Alan Guttmacher Institute study.

"About 25% of 15 year olds have had sex
About 55% of 17 year olds have had sex
About 80% of 19 year olds have had sex
About 20% of young people do not have sex while teens."

Some other resources

Teen Care Center, cites the same AGI study as above and has some additional information.
An Urban Institute study of teen risk-taking (2000)

Queeb Salaron · Post by **Queeb Salaron** » 2004-01-26 09:07pm

The Aliens wrote:
revprez wrote:Or a atheist Communist party chairman with a taste for that sort of thing.
Unsupported statement. We know that Catholic priests in the past have sexually molested children, and unless you can bring up a case of an atheist Communist party chairman doing the same, you're taking a shot in the dark.

In theory, anyone 'with a taste for such thing' would do it, regardless of religious or political persuasion, maniacs know no political bounds.

I think Rev's point was that it's silly to peg child molestation or statutory rape on Catholic priests. There are lots of other pedophiles out there who belong to other organizations, if any at all. So an atheist Commie could be as fallible as a Catholic priest.

Stop me if I'm wrong, Rev.

The Aliens · Post by **The Aliens** » 2004-01-26 09:11pm

Queeb Salaron wrote: I think Rev's point was that it's silly to peg child molestation or statutory rape on Catholic priests. There are lots of other pedophiles out there who belong to other organizations, if any at all. So an atheist Commie could be as fallible as a Catholic priest.

Stop me if I'm wrong, Rev.

Read the second paragraph, Queeb, I stated that 'Anyone with a taste for such a thing would do it'- that's exactly it, anyone can do it.

revprez · Post by **revprez** » 2004-01-26 09:13pm

Queeb Salaron wrote:Stop me if I'm wrong, Rev.

That's right, but I think an understanding was already reached.

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kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2004-01-26 09:14pm

Stormbringer wrote:Do you live in a cave and club mastadons for your lunch? No, I thought not.

Well, I have no social life and I like my room dark so..

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-01-26 09:20pm

Well, Koji, the point is that humans don't anymore because of the way we developed over millennia. Nowadays, it is not very safe at all to have childen at that age, even though we once did far back in our prehistory.

Frankly, I'm surprised that the girl and her baby survived the birth at all.

Queeb Salaron · Post by **Queeb Salaron** » 2004-01-26 09:22pm

h0rus wrote:
Montcalm wrote:OK she`s 11 year old so i`m assuming she was impregnated at 10 then what kind of fucker do this to a child.
Well, gee. Maybe she wanted to get fucked. Did you ever think about that? Or perhaps you could say: "I don't know under what circumstances this occured. So maybe I should refrain from speaking out of my self-righteous asshole"

So what if she did "want to get fucked"? The point is that it is completely illegal for adults to engage in any kind of sexual activity with minors. You're trying to justify the actions of a rapist! The very thought is blood-curdling. The circumstances are irrelevant: The man's actions are unconditionally illegal and immoral.

And this is not self-righteousness. It's called being morally upright. And while certain points of morality can be held in contention, I'm certain that this is not one of them. And I'm certain that nearly everyone, if not everyone, can agree with me there.

Evasion of criminal charges is not admittance to rape.

Who said it was? It is, however, suggestive of guilt. It can be submitted as evidence in a court of law, in the form of an interrogative question to the defendant, an arresting officer, or a witness. It is therefore both a matter of interest and an element of the case that deserves consideration.

Now if you're done playing ignorant lawyer to this criminal, I suggest you grow a conscience.

And have a nice day.

Queeb Salaron · Post by **Queeb Salaron** » 2004-01-26 09:25pm

The Aliens wrote:Read the second paragraph, Queeb, I stated that 'Anyone with a taste for such a thing would do it'- that's exactly it, anyone can do it.

revprez wrote:That's right, but I think an understanding was already reached.

Y'know, I gotta start reading through to the end of discussions. My apologies.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2004-01-27 03:07am

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Well, Koji, the point is that humans don't anymore because of the way we developed over millennia. Nowadays, it is not very safe at all to have childen at that age, even though we once did far back in our prehistory.

Frankly, I'm surprised that the girl and her baby survived the birth at all.

Evolutionary we're pretty static since then, we haven't evolved, and things like these aren't as rare as you think either, it's just that you don't hear about them usually.
And it wasn't prehistory either, or that far away, and it still happens, it's just decreased because the average living is going up, alot more than you'd think also I would say.
The human body can take it as well, wouldn't really happen otherwise, even though it can be difficult.

You seem to have this sweet innocent view of the world, I fear I must awaken you to the ugly truth.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-01-27 03:10am

I already know. I just prefere not to.

Doing that prevents me from potentially hating every living thing.

Shaidar Haran · Post by **Shaidar Haran** » 2004-01-27 03:17am

h0rus wrote:
Montcalm wrote:OK she`s 11 year old so i`m assuming she was impregnated at 10 then what kind of fucker do this to a child.

Well, gee. Maybe she wanted to get fucked. Did you ever think about that? Or perhaps you could say: "I don't know under what circumstances this occured. So maybe I should refrain from speaking out of my self-righteous asshole"

Evasion of criminal charges is not admittance to rape.

An eleven year old child can't give meaningful consent. Hence if an adult did it, it is by definition rape whether he forced himself on her or not.

Shaidar Haran · Post by **Shaidar Haran** » 2004-01-27 03:23am

Evolutionary we're pretty static since then, we haven't evolved, and things like these aren't as rare as you think either, it's just that you don't hear about them usually.
And it wasn't prehistory either, or that far away, and it still happens, it's just decreased because the average living is going up, alot more than you'd think also I would say.

True, but using evolutionary biology to explain it away as BS. The conditions we evolved under no longer apply, hence no need for eleven year old mothers.

The human body can take it as well, wouldn't really happen otherwise, even though it can be difficult.

It can happen, but it's hardly something safe to happen. An eleven year old is still immature and there's a lot of potential complications because of that.

revprez · Post by **revprez** » 2004-01-27 03:31am

Shaidar Haran wrote:An eleven year old child can't give meaningful consent. Hence if an adult did it, it is by definition rape whether he forced himself on her or not.

This is where I have a problem. It's sick to hear about adults messing around with kids, but what about when kids mess around with each other? Girls I knew growing up were consenting to their same-sage bf at 11, 12, 13, 14, and 15. For the most part these were the girls that went through puberty early and had nothing much else better to do. And what about us guys? I lost mine at 13 and I think I was perfectly able to consent--the girl sure as hell did.

If the inability to give consent is the operative reasion underlying statutory rape law, then why do we not apply the same standard to minors fucking around with minors? Does the fact that both (or more) parties are unable to grant consent free them of any responsibility for their action?

A better justification might hold that statutory rape laws exist to protect those who, for whatever reason, cannot reasonably consent to sex while recognizing that the state is not sufficiently surgical in its application of law to determine who can and can't give consent. At what age anyone would know whether or not it is the right time is, of course, a matter of debate--reflected in varying statutes in the US and around the world. I have a hard time believing that the distribution goes to one after a certain age--there are, after all, mentally ill people who may not understand the ramifications of sex and are therefore unable to reasonably consent to it.

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