US citizens vs Mexican military on teh border

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2004-02-14 10:18pm

Well, I got that one, Hemlock.

Was hoping someone would.

Gunshy · Post by **Gunshy** » 2004-02-14 10:34pm

About these Ranch Rescue characters, I remember reading a series of articles on them in Soldier of Fortune. In one particular article, the group interdicted several kilos of marijuana. The articles also listed the members credentials; most all of them were ex-military, or law enforcement. Several of them were even former special forces guys.

However, IIRC, it was a fairly small group at the time, so I'm guessing their numbers now include large numbers of civilians. Anyway, here's their webpage.

http://www.ranchrescue.com/index.htm

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2004-02-14 10:40pm

Frank Hipper wrote:
HemlockGrey wrote:The people of Veracruz must be praying that nothing comes of this.
Well, I got that one, Hemlock.

So did I, we've yet to take that city via vertical envelopment, it's about time that changed.

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2004-02-14 11:36pm

Yes, to clarify my previous statement, I was talking about American CIVILIANS killing foreign troops.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2004-02-15 02:13am

I very much doubt we'd do anything. It would turn into a PR shitstorm here.

Stuart Mackey · Post by **Stuart Mackey** » 2004-02-15 02:43am

*reads thread, thinks of American History*

Remember the Alamo!
Annex Mexico!

Glocksman · Post by **Glocksman** » 2004-02-15 03:34am

Pablo Sanchez wrote:
Sea Skimmer wrote:155mm howitzers and 120mm mortars will give better reaction times.
Good luck getting the voters to back that one

Things get much worse and you will see a lot of voters prepared to do whatever it takes to shut the flow of illegals off.
People are starting to see that an influx of illegals means falling wages and unemployment to Americans.
What other country would tolerate 10-12 million illegal aliens?
I feel sorry for the poor bastards, but I feel sorry for 10-12 million unemployed Americans even more.

It's time for mass deportations.

Glocksman · Post by **Glocksman** » 2004-02-15 03:35am

Oh yeah.

Any Mexican soldier who crosses the border under arms should be shot on sight.

Nathan F · Post by **Nathan F** » 2004-02-15 03:38am

Alright, after reading the RanchRescue site, who wants to join with me?

Glocksman · Post by **Glocksman** » 2004-02-15 03:45am

I'll bring an AK, a riot gun, a couple of SKS's, and a few Nagant bolt actions.

GySgt. Hartman · Post by **GySgt. Hartman** » 2004-02-15 12:00pm

I think that if American civilians shoot Mexican soldiers on their private property, it's Mexico that will be in diplomatic trouble, not the US.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2004-02-15 12:13pm

How about we up an invade Mexico and take it as far as Panama?
Take the Cannal back and then set a DM zone say thirty miles from the Cannel and fortify the area inbetween, sure of a hell smaller area to defend and a few fire-bases could cover the area

Better yet we could Bio-engieer our own guards, say those critters in the Tremors move(Just the first one not the other two) and set em loose in that area, any illegals trying to cross the border get eaten and quick!

Of course this assumes all of America gets onboard the project and seriously I don't think we would make it past the idea write on napkin stage

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2004-02-15 01:13pm

Stuart Mackey wrote:*reads thread, thinks of American History*

Remember the Alamo!
Annex Mexico!

Amusingly, we could have done that in 1848.

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2004-02-15 01:32pm

phongn wrote:Amusingly, we could have done that in 1848.

To what end? I think the US probably made the right decision for the moment when they just decided to take California (the best part of the country) and the intervening desert. Possibly Mexico would be a better place today if it had been annexed.

And the Civil War would have been very interesting. Would the Mexicans have taken that moment of weakness to secede from the USA and reform their own country? Would they have stayed in, as free states? I can't imagine them joining the Confederacy, though.

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2004-02-15 01:43pm

Glocksman wrote:Things get much worse and you will see a lot of voters prepared to do whatever it takes to shut the flow of illegals off.
People are starting to see that an influx of illegals means falling wages and unemployment to Americans.

No, they aren't, because that isn't really happening.

What other country would tolerate 10-12 million illegal aliens?
I feel sorry for the poor bastards, but I feel sorry for 10-12 million unemployed Americans even more.

People who make this argument always seem to forget that the jobs the illegals are doing is shit like strawberry picking, landscaping, and other jobs that its very hard to get any semi-competent American to do. They aren't going out and taking jobs that you'd want to work in the first place. Anyone with a high school diploma wouldn't look twice at most of the jobs that illegals are filling. The reason the job market sucks is because the economy is tanking.

Remember during the 90s, when the economy was taking off like a moon rocket, and it was an employee's market? That's concurrent with the largest influx of illegal immigrants from Mexico.

It's time for mass deportations.

It's been time for that action since about 1995, I think. But it hasn't happened yet, and it's not going to happen. Because nobody cares.

Mayabird · Post by **Mayabird** » 2004-02-15 03:29pm

When talking about all of this, you have to look at the situation in Mexico. It's an overpopulated shithole of a country whose population problems will only get worse because of the Catholic church's jihad against contraception. There isn't enough work for everybody, so what else are they going to do? Lie around and starve? Many of them are uneducated or even illiterate and unable to do anything more than menial labor. Making it harder to get in will only mean that more people-smugglers will get into business. Can't go by land? Then they'll go by sea, and we'll be hearing about overloaded boats sinking in the Gulf of Mexico with hundreds of people drowning on a regular basis (much like in Africa right now). Not to mention, there are plenty of other overpopulated shithole countries full of people who would practically sell themselves into slavery to get into America.

So, anybody want to start shipping billions of condoms and birth control pills south of the border? Helping get their population growth under control would be a good way of finding a long term solution to the illegal immigration.

Glocksman · Post by **Glocksman** » 2004-02-15 03:29pm

No, they aren't, because that isn't really happening.

Yes it is.

Look at what the influx of cheap illegal labor did to the US meatpacking industry. It allowed firms such as IBP to take unionized jobs that were among the highest paid stable blue collar jobs with a decent safety record and turn them into minimum wage jobs with no benefits, a turnover rate that staggers the mind, and a safety record that would shame a 19th century robber baron.

What illegals do is drive the wages down on certain jobs to the point that no one else will take them. Shit, before the influx of illegals into this area 7 years ago, almost all of the landscaping crews were black. Now they're all Hispanic and it's not because all of the black guys who did the work are now engineers for Whirlpool either.

Nathan F · Post by **Nathan F** » 2004-02-15 03:31pm

Glocksman wrote:I'll bring an AK, a riot gun, a couple of SKS's, and a few Nagant bolt actions.

Alright, i'll toss in my M1 Carbine, my swede mauser, and grab a couple of dad's rifles.

I'll see what I can do about finding a M2 to mount on the roll bar of my Jeep.

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2004-02-15 04:12pm

Pablo Sanchez wrote:To what end? I think the US probably made the right decision for the moment when they just decided to take California (the best part of the country) and the intervening desert. Possibly Mexico would be a better place today if it had been annexed.

Mexico might well be a better place if we'd annexed it, though it is no guaruntee, of course.

And the Civil War would have been very interesting. Would the Mexicans have taken that moment of weakness to secede from the USA and reform their own country? Would they have stayed in, as free states? I can't imagine them joining the Confederacy, though.

Since it'd only be 20-odd years, they might well attempt to secede from the Federal government -- though they might not join th Confederacy. However, I'm not sure if it'd do them any good; the mass Union armies might just deal with them after they dealt with the Confederacy.

Gunshy · Post by **Gunshy** » 2004-02-15 04:35pm

Mayabird wrote:Snip

While I can certainally sympathize with their problems (I've been to Tijuana, and I've seen the slums), that does not mean the United States should let them lower our standard of living. One of the biggest problems with these illegals, is that unlike other immigrants, they don't even try to integrate. And much of the money they make here, gets sent right back to Mexico. But even that's secondary to this topic. If illegals are crossing the border, they should be intercepted. All the better if it's by private citizens, protecting their property. If those illegals are armed with rifles, then I think they should be shot. I don't make much of a distinction between drug runners, or soldados.

Of course, unlike Nathan, I'm not about to run down to the boarder with my Mini-14 in hand...yet.

Perhaps SD.net should form a Ranch Rescue chapter? I guarantee that a group of people toting shotguns, and rifles, all the while wearing Imperial Stormtrooper Armor would definitely freak out a few border crossers.

Mayabird · Post by **Mayabird** » 2004-02-15 11:43pm

Gunshy wrote:<Snip>

Agreed. I know I went slightly off topic, but I'm more a fan of long term solutions that ultimately solve the problem rather than short term solutions treat some symptoms but don't cure the root problem. Unless Mexico can get its act together, they're still going to have hordes of people trying to think of one way or another to get in. If it's not the land border, they'll go to sea and start trespassing on the land of Louisianians. Then we'll have to get the Coast Guard into the act, and it'll be a very expensive problem keeping out illegal immigrants.

For the moment, yes, get out your guns and protect your property. But unless you want your grandkids doing the same, we might want to *encourage* Mexico to be a slightly less shitty country. Ultimately, condoms will work better than walls and guns.

h0rus · Post by **h0rus** » 2004-02-16 02:30am

Montcalm wrote:Just carpet bomb the Mexicans until they`re nothing more than fertiliser for the soil.

Yes, then we can take your beaten french carcass and burn it alive as a vigil for those innocent people killed.

SWPIGWANG · Post by **SWPIGWANG** » 2004-02-16 04:31am

Innocent people that deserve to live a poor, miserable life.

Nah, lets just kill them.

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2004-02-16 04:39am

Bah, we should just erect a metal wall across the border with mechanized sentry guns programmed to shoot to warn, then kill anyone who approaches from the Mexican side without some kind of permissory ID.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-02-16 05:16am

h0rus wrote:
Montcalm wrote:Just carpet bomb the Mexicans until they`re nothing more than fertiliser for the soil.
Yes, then we can take your beaten french carcass and burn it alive as a vigil for those innocent people killed.

Nathan F wrote:
Glocksman wrote:I'll bring an AK, a riot gun, a couple of SKS's, and a few Nagant bolt actions.
Alright, i'll toss in my M1 Carbine, my swede mauser, and grab a couple of dad's rifles.

I'll see what I can do about finding a M2 to mount on the roll bar of my Jeep.

And I'll see what I can do about looking up vigilanteism statutes.