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Spanky The Dolphin wrote:1337, we're talking about someone getting shot in the shoulder here.

Actually of someone getting hit in the shoulder from a grazing bolt that hit the wall...

It's bad logic to define the average according to the exceptions.

Logic is great. I'm talking from experience.

1337n1nj4 wrote:

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:1337, we're talking about someone getting shot in the shoulder here.

Actually of someone getting hit in the shoulder from a grazing bolt that hit the wall...

It's bad logic to define the average according to the exceptions.

Logic is great. I'm talking from experience.

Great, so we must assume based on your "experience" that:

1.) Leia's senses (or at least most of them) are totally numbed to the point she is oblivious to anything goin on around her (in a combat situation, no less)

2.) Han's activities and words are SO engrossing that she is incapable of (again) realizing that anything is going on around her. (again, in a combat situation.)

This is a good theory.. why?

A discussion instead of simple flaming? I am quite impressed, Gentlemen.
I was wrong. The DS guards did not produce sparks: DS guard
And I was maybe wrong with the AT-ST driver, as well. (However, they did not wear armour like Veers on Hoth, it seems they have only a vest: AT-ST pilot) The burned spot can be traced back to the shot. It is true. However, it can be traced even further back: Burned spot.
Leia did not react immediately. It is true. She started to react on the 8th frame. The AT-ST pilot I mentioned started to react on the 5th, the imperial, who was hit by a box (thrown by Han) started to react 7 frames prior to hit. So, we are talking about approximately 1/3 of a second as problematic (and app. 0.1 second difference between that and a similar ocassion), and that problem remains with the bunker was hit theory. (Unless, you state that she should have reacted to a blast that burnt through her uniform, but should not have reacted to a localised heat effect that did the same.)
Greedo produced sparks. At least, it is unquestionable. If you want to explain that with "armour worn under the clothes" I have to ask, why do you throw away canon evidences, when this "technology" could explain Leia's case just as well?

Connor MacLeod wrote:

1337n1nj4 wrote:

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:1337, we're talking about someone getting shot in the shoulder here.

Actually of someone getting hit in the shoulder from a grazing bolt that hit the wall...

It's bad logic to define the average according to the exceptions.

Logic is great. I'm talking from experience.

Great, so we must assume based on your "experience" that:

1.) Leia's senses (or at least most of them) are totally numbed to the point she is oblivious to anything goin on around her (in a combat situation, no less)

2.) Han's activities and words are SO engrossing that she is incapable of (again) realizing that anything is going on around her. (again, in a combat situation.)

This is a good theory.. why?

Have you ever actually been in a situation where your adrenaline is so high that you literally don't notice things? The effects of parasympathetic activity include vasoconstriction peripherally as well as analgesic action in the brain-- it's part of the fight-or-flight mechanism to make sure that your ass is capable of surviving the fight.

You're not exactly going to be on top of your game if you're nursing a wound; that's for after the fight. While you're in the middle of it, it's not going to be a priority from the body's standpoint if you're still in immediate danger.

That said, point #1 is a strawman, because I'm not assuming that all her sense are dulled- simply the nociceptors responsible for pain feedback (tactile response in general is dulled as a whole, in fact, so this will also encompass sensitivity to heat and touch).

Same goes for point #2. It doesn't really matter about the specific activity; she's being shot at in a psychologically-demanding and stressful combat environment.

Just for some anecdotal backup, I can recall plenty of times when I've sustained injuries on an adrenaline rush and not realized it till I calmed down. Some of them were pretty severe-- broke a bone once, a few pretty deep gashes, things like that.

That it's at least a plausible reaction is the only point I'm trying to make here.

1337n1nj4 wrote:

Connor MacLeod wrote:

1337n1nj4 wrote: Logic is great. I'm talking from experience.

Great, so we must assume based on your "experience" that:

1.) Leia's senses (or at least most of them) are totally numbed to the point she is oblivious to anything goin on around her (in a combat situation, no less)

2.) Han's activities and words are SO engrossing that she is incapable of (again) realizing that anything is going on around her. (again, in a combat situation.)

This is a good theory.. why?

Have you ever actually been in a situation where your adrenaline is so high that you literally don't notice things? The effects of parasympathetic activity include vasoconstriction peripherally as well as analgesic action in the brain-- it's part of the fight-or-flight mechanism to make sure that your ass is capable of surviving the fight.

You're not exactly going to be on top of your game if you're nursing a wound; that's for after the fight. While you're in the middle of it, it's not going to be a priority from the body's standpoint if you're still in immediate danger.

That said, point #1 is a strawman, because I'm not assuming that all her sense are dulled- simply the nociceptors responsible for pain feedback (tactile response in general is dulled as a whole, in fact, so this will also encompass sensitivity to heat and touch).

Same goes for point #2. It doesn't really matter about the specific activity; she's being shot at in a psychologically-demanding and stressful combat environment.

Just for some anecdotal backup, I can recall plenty of times when I've sustained injuries on an adrenaline rush and not realized it till I calmed down. Some of them were pretty severe-- broke a bone once, a few pretty deep gashes, things like that.

That it's at least a plausible reaction is the only point I'm trying to make here.

Conceded.