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ALI_G wrote:I've never known any brand that openly treats its customers with as much contempt as SW does. It seems that if we aren't dumb-fuckers who'll gladly sit through two hours of Jar-Jar and Anakin, we're not good fans. Fuck you!

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Actually, this has made me wonder a bit. Although I wasn't expecting this sort of bullshit from an offical at LFL, I'm not that suprised by it either. It seems that franchises reach a certain stage where they treat their fans with contempt rather than provide quality - my aforementioned example of another certain franchise combined with LFL denigrating fans who look for consistency in SW, although I am sure there are exceptions.

My question: is anyone surprised at this, or if you're not, do you feel the same way - if you'll excuse the metaphor, - that this horse has gotten way to big to ride?

No, the Glove of Darth Vader junk added no weight to his argument whatsoever: he only brought it up to look like a smartass and as an "example" to mock analysts. It's honestly for the best if the bullshit from those books is ignored.

Stofsk wrote:My question: is anyone surprised at this, or if you're not, do you feel the same way - if you'll excuse the metaphor, - that this horse has gotten way to big to ride?

I think this specific case is just a guy abusing his position to vent his personal opinion, and isn't really representative of the general practice of Lucasfilm's treatment towards fans. I don't really recall anyone else acting like such an ass (definately not Sansweet, for one), and the official site's Jedi Council section has never done anything remotely like this. So I personally believe that this is a isolated event and not so representative of the common trend.

And not to defend Pablo at all of course, because he's so fucking wrong here, but the truth is that sometimes, fans really are both a blessing and a curse...

You guys are oversensitive. A writer in a fan magazine published for twelve-year-olds makes a few off-the-cuff remarks about people who overanalyze one scene in ROTJ, and some of you are issuing fatwas against him. I doubt Saxton would be offended, because the comments were aimed at ARMCHAIR scientists, which he is not. I'd like to think he has a sense of humor, too.

What was obviously meant as a mildly amusing comment about the movies and certain fans is being treated like some hellish blood libel. Learn to take a joke and don't be such drama queens.

I suggest that you figure out what the fuck you're actually talking about before attempting to admonish the rest of us.

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:I suggest that you shut the fuck up until you're able to figure out what you're actually talking about.

Actually I think he has a point. While its not a new revelation that there is a definite anti-Saxton/Anti-science faction with apparent influence at Sw.com (eg, the forums), and that there is no doubt some measure of that unscientific mentality in this quote, He is essentially correct that Saxton is NOT an "armchair scientist", but is a professional with the knowledge and experience to back it up (In other words, the comments might be more appropriately directed at someone like Brian or Wayne, who while extremely intelligent and knowledgable, do not neccesarily have the sort of formal scientific background that Curtis does.)

For that matter, I really doubt Curtis really gives a shit one way or another. Maybe you should try thinking things through before jumping on someone, since this is yet ANOTHER example of you mindlessly spamming before putting thought behind your statements.

I read the quote from the magazine and the hysterical reaction from yourself and others. I think you're overreacting. Your shrill response to my post proves me right.

I suspect that Pablo's rants are directed at an influx of "logical" fans who do in fact care about continuity and the blatant disregard for certain obvious details (like the Executor scaling), rather than as a formal attack on Saxton himself (or specifically directed at anyone else, for that matter.) People like Wayne, for example.

I would say that its generally assumed to be an insult towards Saxton by association/implication, (since many of those same people would willingly defend Saxton), when it is in fact an attack against a scientific approach to Star Wars in general.

In defense, that was the original version of my post, which I was edited while you were writing. Not that such really matters at all, though...

But I retract my statement and apologise.

To be fair, Pablo does take every chance he has to get his little chicken-shit jabs in at anyone who attempts to rationalize the films with science. Remember his little tirade about the "flapping-missile" in Episode III? He was also one of the little shits at SW.com that I'm convinced helped talk the moderators up into banning me and deleting some of the most damning evidence of his ineptitude, and that of his followers.

What "flapping missile"?

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:What "flapping missile"?

In one of the Hyperspace Episode 3 Post notes releases that talked about the opening space battle sequence. Lucas was screening a CGI mockup of the battle and one of the shots featured a special missile of some kind that had a cgi rendering glitch which made the ailerons look like they were flickering. Well apparently George "liked the feel of it" and suggest a way to give the missile "flapping" or "fluttering" wings. George even went on to say: "Im going to get in trouble for this" with a smile, he apparently called it the "goose missile".

Icehawk wrote: In one of the Hyperspace Episode 3 Post notes releases that talked about the opening space battle sequence. Lucas was screening a CGI mockup of the battle and one of the shots featured a special missile of some kind that had a cgi rendering glitch which made the ailerons look like they were flickering. Well apparently George "liked the feel of it" and suggest a way to give the missile "flapping" or "fluttering" wings. George even went on to say: "Im going to get in trouble for this" with a smile, he apparently called it the "goose missile".

When it was later pointed out that very similar phenomena were observed on Earth, with RL missiles, Pablo went into hysterics on SW.com. He started crying that it didn't matter if similar phenomena were observed in RL, and that SW wasn't governed by "our" laws.

The thread was later deleted without explanation.

I agree with MoO; you have to see Pablo in action to realize how emotional he is about any perceived "personal attack" (read: criticism of his axiomatic statements).It's possible to deal with him but you have to tread carefully, and treat him the way you would a precocious teenager with an attitude problem.

Darth Wong wrote:I agree with MoO; you have to see Pablo in action to realize how emotional he is about any perceived "personal attack" (read: criticism of his axiomatic statements).It's possible to deal with him but you have to tread carefully, and treat him the way you would a precocious teenager with an attitude problem.

Some people have 'penis envy', this guy seems to be more cultured, and has 'brain envy'. It's like he resents people who can talk about and deal with things that are beyond his mental grasp, truly astounding.

Master of Ossus wrote:When it was later pointed out that very similar phenomena were observed on Earth, with RL missiles, Pablo went into hysterics on SW.com. He started crying that it didn't matter if similar phenomena were observed in RL, and that SW wasn't governed by "our" laws.

Well, these fucktards have shot themselves in the foot. A couple weeks ago, they (Rostoni) declared those insipid SW Science books for kids were part of continuity.

Which means every one of our physical laws in this galaxy are 100% valid in the SW galaxy.

In any case, I don't think that a representative of LFL should adress the fans like Pablo did. I mean, we pay for the services they provide. Being a Swede, I can't subscribe to the Insider, but I do pay for Hyperspace, and not to mention all those bloody VHS copies, movie tickets and the DVD's, so I think that an attitude change is needed.

Elfdart wrote:You guys are oversensitive. A writer in a fan magazine published for twelve-year-olds makes a few off-the-cuff remarks about people who overanalyze one scene in ROTJ, and some of you are issuing fatwas against him. I doubt Saxton would be offended, because the comments were aimed at ARMCHAIR scientists, which he is not. I'd like to think he has a sense of humor, too.

What was obviously meant as a mildly amusing comment about the movies and certain fans is being treated like some hellish blood libel. Learn to take a joke and don't be such drama queens.

Blow me you trollish shit. You haven't been involved in any of the discussons with him at SW, you haven't worked on your own analysis of stuff, and thus you were not one of the ones just insulted. You simply have no idea what you are talking about. But you feel the need to come here and talk down to us all the same. Fuck off.

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:No, the Glove of Darth Vader junk added no weight to his argument whatsoever: he only brought it up to look like a smartass and as an "example" to mock analysts. It's honestly for the best if the bullshit from those books is ignored.

And in doing so showed what a truely retarded piece of shit he is by totally contradicting himself.

1) Sucking the debris into a wormhole would necessitate an implosion when we clearly see an explosion. Saying that it contracted off screen doesn't work because the velocity of the debris menas it shuld have been hitting the upper atmosphere by then, and even if not the huge burst of radiation released would have.

2) As anyone who payed attention in high school physics when the covered relativity knows, a wormhole is two interconnected black holes. While black holes can be incredibly tiny, to swallow something the size of DS2 necessitates a very large one. So according to him, it's a happy ending to have Luke and Co. Have their skin burned off and their insides melted from the radiation while the gravitational forces pull them apart and the time dilation effects make it seem like an eternity to them. As opposed to "The rebels rescued all the ewoks and then rebuilt their world for them" is happy.

3) The effects of a massive wormhole in low orbit would make the celebration scene impossible, contradicting the films, and would also destroy Mon Calmari in a similar fashion whhen we know that still exists.

4) Conservation of matter motherfucker: Even if you dump the mass in Mon Cal orbit instead of over endor, all that mass is still there, and now it will lay waste to Mon Calamari instead, something clearly contradicted.

You know, it occurs to me that Pablo is attacking part of the fanbase because he knows the rationalists have a point: people like him are cheapening Star Wars by deliberately trying to make it into Bugs Bunny in space, it's impacting the popularity of the prequels and of the franchise in general, and he's lashing out defensively in order to avoid admitting that he was wrong to bash those fans the way he has in the past.

Sheer personal hubris; the more right the enemy is, the more he hates them. People coming into "his" domain (the sw.com forums) and trying to argue with him probably enraged him, hence vindictive and petty actions against people like MoO who were not attacking anyone or trolling, but just trying to make some logical points.

Should we start e-mailing LFL? Would it do any good to complain about this shit? Or is there nothing we can do while LFL just sits back and insults its hardest core fans?

Jesus. Now I don't want to go see Episode 3. Fuck this shit, man.

Crom wrote:Should we start e-mailing LFL? Would it do any good to complain about this shit? Or is there nothing we can do while LFL just sits back and insults its hardest core fans?

Jesus. Now I don't want to go see Episode 3. Fuck this shit, man.

Unless you can mobilize a signficant group of fans there really isn't anything you can do.

And even if you could it isn't all that likely.

An earlier poster wrote that he is a subscriber to Hyperspace and didn't appreciate the article. While I think you guys are overreacting, I have a simple solution that just might get Lucasfilm's attention (certainly more than e-mails, which I doubt they even read):

Send a certified or registered letter to the offending party. Tell them that you are cancelling your Hyperspace and/ or Insider subscriptions because of what you consider insulting comments from Pablo, and you will encourage others to do likewise.

Will it work? I think it has a better chance to get their attention than e-mails (which nobody reads) and boycotts (which nobody follows through with). I'm serious. If you're that dissatisfied, stop paying them.

By the way, it looks like one drama queen dropped his tiara in a fit of rage.

neoolong wrote:Unless you can mobilize a signficant group of fans there really isn't anything you can do.

And even if you could it isn't all that likely.

This Pablo sounds like a jackass. I wonder why his peers and bosses haven't stepped in.

Someone needs to preserve screen-captures and copies of these threads.

We should begin cataloging and saving a record of Hidalgo's behavior and commentary.