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I'v always felt uncomfortable hitting anyone. Even when asked to hit the person by the person themself. Even when defending myself. It could be the dislike of touch that I have. I don't know actually, but even if I wanted to hit them I only get half way through the swing and I pull back and want to break off. I guess Im just not violent like that.

Ach, it's probably the pacifist in you. Most people will not react violently IRL without sufficient provocation.

And I'm against violence, especially when I'm in uniform. Gives me more work to do.

I'm generally a very non-violent person.

Only one instance in my life, and that's when this guy tackled my sister to the ground and dragged her about. I threw a dead jellyfish at him, apparently he was red for hours.

Upps. ok, at first sorry for again derailing a thread. And indeed my moral views are disputed and dont belong under this topic.

Ok you two (Ghost and Lag).

At first let me clarify. This is a discussion without facts, as we discuss here a very abstract thing. And yes, even law is abstract, as it may show a path and tries to enforce it, but cant put it through on every level all the time.

Same goes with the concept of Warrior Code like Ghost put it.

Both are rules people should adhere to, both are/were broken over and over again.

I guess we could agree on this.

To remind you again. this is my vision of how it could be better under perfect circumstances. And i think that the judgement of someone who is competent , lawful and respected is more worth than a law which has inherent flaws you just cant bypass sometimes.

Btw, i am a bit surprised that you rule out honour and respect from this time completley. As you state it, its something like a mental illness.
To be honest i never associated these terms with something bad, like you seem to think.

And please come off of this bloody negative course, it seems everything not conforming to your own thinking is by default bad. Arrogance is not a nice trait after all.

Oh and Lagmonster. I am in the military, so i know what a gun can do. Stay off the medieval line. Or do you really think wielding a gun equals being a honourless dog without respect for anything?
And everyone clerver (as you put it), is too, without respect and honourless?

Lovely point of view you seem to have.

P.S. I am 26. How old are you?

P.P.S. Let us agree on the point, that we cant agree on this point. This is about a point of view. I wont try (and cant) convince you, and you cant convince me.
If i was impolite, i want to apology. But from some things you two said, i could only assume some things.

Lagmonster wrote:

Xisiqomelir wrote:Do you live in a generally lawful environment?

I live in a place where the law works to punish people who think it's a good thing to beat the fuck out of someone for any reason. That's pretty much the whole point.

Can you accept that some people live in quite different environments?

Xisiqomelir wrote:

Lagmonster wrote:I live in a place where the law works to punish people who think it's a good thing to beat the fuck out of someone for any reason. That's pretty much the whole point.

Can you accept that some people live in quite different environments?

Even then one shouldn't delight in beating the hell out of people. I've lived in 3rd world countries, I've spent the past 7 months working in one, and let me tell you, lack of law & order is not an excuse for someone to enforce his ideas of law on others, that only works comics & movies ("The Punisher" comes to mind). No, you stay out of trouble, avoid shit when it happens, and only use violence as an absolute last resort. I take no pleasure from defending myself, I don't like doing it but sometimes I just have to, and every tme it happens my nerves are all jangly and on edge for the rest of the day.

Xisiqomelir wrote:

Lagmonster wrote:

Xisiqomelir wrote:Do you live in a generally lawful environment?

I live in a place where the law works to punish people who think it's a good thing to beat the fuck out of someone for any reason. That's pretty much the whole point.

Can you accept that some people live in quite different environments?

Can you make your point rather than filling the thread with questions?

Besides which, I'd like you to demonstrate that environment plays any part in making hurting people something to feel good about, or removing your obligation to act according to the rules of your society.

CRUCIBLE wrote:To remind you again. this is my vision of how it could be better under perfect circumstances. And i think that the judgement of someone who is competent , lawful and respected is more worth than a law which has inherent flaws you just cant bypass sometimes.

Well, you're welcome to your ideas of law. But you're still obligated to follow them. And you still haven't explained why hurting someone should be something to feel good about.

Do you really think wielding a gun equals being a honourless dog without respect for anything?

I don't think that holding a gun makes you honourless. I think that your concept of the 'strong' and the 'weak' completely fall to pieces when both sides have a technological equalizer. Other than that, consider what Samuel Clemens once said of 'honourable' combat: "If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

with me violence usually leaves me so drained I become weak as a kitten and physically ill.