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verilon wrote:No...it kills them or it doesn't. Just because you don't liek it doesn't mean you have to denounce it.
mew.

His Divine Shadow wrote:

verilon wrote:No...it kills them or it doesn't. Just because you don't liek it doesn't mean you have to denounce it.
mew.

WTF?
No it doesn't kill them, it might, wouldn't be my problem, but thats not how it works and thats a fact, it's a fact it amasses in the brain and as long as its there it degrades performance, that returns when it leaves.

Are you stoned right now or something, I mean, is this too hard to grasp?
Again as MW would say, you are trying to polarize the issue here, well fuck that I say.

His Divine Shadow wrote:What the hell is your problem anyway?

verilon wrote:The fact that you have a problem and can't let it go.

His Divine Shadow wrote:

verilon wrote:The fact that you have a problem and can't let it go.

I have a problem with you making an arbitary line in the sand and saying it kills braincells or it doesn't.
When it clearly doesn't kill braincells, well other stuff in it might, or too much of it for too long, but thats not how it works in general.

His Divine Shadow wrote:You make no sense, infact you never did, you must be stoned, thats it.

verilon wrote:I seriously haven't gotten stoned in two weeks. And I only make no sense to you, it seems.

SolidSnake wrote:I tried pot for the first time today. I've never felt worse in my life. Being stoned sucks horribly. I would rather be stabbed. It took me five hits to become stoned. I dont get why people like it. My body just felt useless, my head felt like ocean ripples were going through it, and i just plain felt miserable. My thoughts were really stupid too. Good god. To top that, i started twictching uncontrollably. Not like minor muscle stuff, i mean like all my muscles contracting, violent twitches, and i spent a good half-hour crying on my gf's stomach, wishing for death. I think that weed cancelled out the anti-depressants i'm on. I felt just as bad as i did when i wanted to kill myself. I am pissed at myself right now. God damn it.

Darth Wong wrote:I don't need narcotics to have fun. My mind is twisted enough as it is.

His Divine Shadow wrote:

verilon wrote:I seriously haven't gotten stoned in two weeks. And I only make no sense to you, it seems.

You have another external viewpoint to quantify that?
Because this is how I see the events:

me: It doesn't kill the braincells, it impairs communication, until it leaves
you: It either kills them or it don't
me: wtf?
you: Stop hating cannabis!
me: wtf? I said it doesn't kill braincells
you: thats what I've said all along

I am sorry, but this does not make sense.e

verilon wrote:Stop hating cannabis? WTF????

verilon wrote:The fact that you have a problem and can't let it go.

verilon wrote: Just because you don't liek it doesn't mean you have to denounce it.

XaLEv wrote:

verilon wrote:Stop hating cannabis? WTF????

I think that part is based on these two:

verilon wrote:The fact that you have a problem and can't let it go.

verilon wrote: Just because you don't liek it doesn't mean you have to denounce it.

Darth Wong wrote:I just can't see the merit in deliberately impairing your brain function even if it's only temporary. And while I don't know enough about neurochemistry to know whether it actually causes permanent damage, the mere possibility is more than enough for me to say "hell, no".

verilon wrote:Then why do people ride roller coasters? For the adrenaline. Why do people eat chile? For the endorphins.

Same principle, I think.

Darth Wong wrote:

verilon wrote:Then why do people ride roller coasters? For the adrenaline. Why do people eat chile? For the endorphins.

Same principle, I think.

Not at all. Roller coasters and chili do not manipulate your brain chemistry. Any changes in brain chemistry are entirely natural, caused by your brain's own responses to sensory stimuli. This cannot be compared to any attempt to directly manipulate your brain's chemistry through artificial means.

When you're working with a complex piece of equipment, particularly if you're not sure how it works, it's VERY risky to monkey around with its inner workings. The brain should not be treated any differently.

verilon wrote:Anyways, I think YOU, HDS, are making the arbitrary line. It, as well as other drugs, will either harm you or not. You are neither making a point that t hurts you, nor helps you, but that it encapsulates your brain. Supposedly, you arte trying to make the point that it renders your brain useless, am I correct? In response to that, how does it do that? I would like to see documentation (althopugh I personally have none...I usually have to base arguments on verbal things, and stuff I have read but can't remember where).

mew

His Divine Shadow wrote:

verilon wrote:Anyways, I think YOU, HDS, are making the arbitrary line. It, as well as other drugs, will either harm you or not. You are neither making a point that t hurts you, nor helps you, but that it encapsulates your brain. Supposedly, you arte trying to make the point that it renders your brain useless, am I correct? In response to that, how does it do that? I would like to see documentation (althopugh I personally have none...I usually have to base arguments on verbal things, and stuff I have read but can't remember where).

mew

Heck if I can find that now, swedish magazine called Illustrated Science had an article on it, from 2000 sometime, I'm sure there is much more research one can find but I am not compelled to go look for it.

And no, I think you where making the line in the sand, I said it doesn't kill them but impairs them for the time it's there, and you said it kills them or it doesn't, thats pretty black and white compared to my rather greyish statement.