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anarchistbunny wrote:This is a topic the local rock radio station's morning show does everyonce and a while. There are a lot of movies that just plain out suck, but what movies have you seen that someone said was good and that you should see that really did suck.

Here is a short, off the top of my head list:
Gladiator
Eight Legged Freaks
Screw Loose

Those first two were good...

IMO, Anything by Adam Sandler.

neoolong wrote:Dungeons and Dragons.

Who on EARTH recommended that movie to you?!?!
It's a complete abomination! And I don't even mean compared to some role-playing game!

TrailerParkJawa wrote:The ending sucked but if youve seen a lot of Chinese movies its nothing new. They rarely show people living happily ever after.

Maybe you didn't get the whole honor thing...?

Zaia wrote:
The movie kicks ass, in story,

Get attacked by nasty blokes, defeat nasty blokes, run away to new scenery, rinse and repeat? I felt like I was watching several episodes of Power Rangers, back to back.

music, effects and overall presentation.

This is all true, though.

I'll add the Fast and the Furious to this list. And xXx. In fact, any film my brother's recommended

Just about anything my brother recommended sucked ass. He likes movies that appeal to the lowest common denominator.

verilon wrote:

TrailerParkJawa wrote:The ending sucked but if youve seen a lot of Chinese movies its nothing new. They rarely show people living happily ever after.

Maybe you didn't get the whole honor thing...?

Actually a lot of it has to do with a chinese proverb: "When preparing for revenge, dig two graves."

The classical heroes always die.

Edi wrote:
Movies that have been praised that really sucked: Anything by David Lynch (yes, Blue Velvet is one of his, and about the only one that is watchable, though still torture).

In all honesty David Lynch has only Blue Velvet and Dune in the plus category. Wild at heart was hit and miss, and the first season of Twin Peaks was ok, I guess. I used to despise Dune, until I saw the miniseries.

fgalkin wrote:Did you know that Saruman dies in the Two Towers movie?

WHAT!!!!

You sure it isn't made to look like he dies?

to increase the shock when he reappears?

OMFG!!!

If Saruman dies in TTT im gona rip PJ a new one!

Godamn better be a rumor

It must be BS. He'd be crucified if he did something like that.

Vympel wrote:It must be BS. He'd be crucified if he did something like that.

And there are plenty of insane Tolkienites with nails and hammer for that very contingency. And we frighten even hard core trekkies.

Slartibartfast wrote:

neoolong wrote:Dungeons and Dragons.

Who on EARTH recommended that movie to you?!?!
It's a complete abomination! And I don't even mean compared to some role-playing game!

A friend. Who I have still not come up with a suitable punishment for.

neoolong wrote:

Slartibartfast wrote:

neoolong wrote:Dungeons and Dragons.

Who on EARTH recommended that movie to you?!?!
It's a complete abomination! And I don't even mean compared to some role-playing game!

A friend. Who I have still not come up with a suitable punishment for.

Suggest he see the next Trek movie? or Battlefield Earth?

No, go for the most extreme punishment. Sign him up for a lifetime membership in the Kate Mulgrew fan club.

Darth Wong wrote:No, go for the most extreme punishment. Sign him up for a lifetime membership in the Kate Mulgrew fan club.

That's not punisment that's an atrocity.

Darth Wong wrote:No, go for the most extreme punishment. Sign him up for a lifetime membership in the Kate Mulgrew fan club.

Unless, of course, he happens to a certain Spacebattler...Tell me, is this friend Australian?

Stormbringer wrote:

neoolong wrote:

Slartibartfast wrote: Who on EARTH recommended that movie to you?!?!
It's a complete abomination! And I don't even mean compared to some role-playing game!

A friend. Who I have still not come up with a suitable punishment for.

Suggest he see the next Trek movie? or Battlefield Earth?

I tried to read Battlefield Earth. L Ron Hubbard was a jackass who didn't know when to shut up and end a book.

Stormbringer wrote:

Darth Wong wrote:No, go for the most extreme punishment. Sign him up for a lifetime membership in the Kate Mulgrew fan club.

That's not punisment that's an atrocity.

An atrocity would be signing him up for the Kate Mulgrew Nudie Photo of the month club.

Tsyroc wrote:

Stormbringer wrote:

Darth Wong wrote:No, go for the most extreme punishment. Sign him up for a lifetime membership in the Kate Mulgrew fan club.

That's not punisment that's an atrocity.

An atrocity would be signing him up for the Kate Mulgrew Nudie Photo of the month club.

...I can feel my brain leaking out my ears...make it stop.

The Dark wrote:

Tsyroc wrote:

Stormbringer wrote: That's not punisment that's an atrocity.

An atrocity would be signing him up for the Kate Mulgrew Nudie Photo of the month club.

...I can feel my brain leaking out my ears...make it stop.

My monitors melting, its melting!

It is not joke about Saruman in TTT. He will die. PJ said he would do it because he's going to cut the scouring of the shire out of ROTK.

I don't have a list of all the changes, but I'll give you the article relating to Saruman's death in TTT.

http://www.the11thhour.com/archives/112 ... bits1.html




They call it the Wizard Kabob.

It was only a small picture that appeared on the New Zealand news website Stuff on August 8, 2000, but after nearly three months, it has not ceased to be a hub of controversy. It is discussed over and over in chatrooms, and it has been analyzed time and time again within an inch of its life. It has resulted in jokes, arguments, death threats, and more wild speculation than you can shake a staff at. It has become the symbol of a vast sentiment that is sweeping the ranks of the obsessed...

How dare they change The Lord of the Rings like that?

Truth is, there's no way anyone could make a Lord of the Rings movie that would entirely please the books' enormously rabid fan base (as Ralph Bakshi can surely attest). As a member of said rabid fan base, I can most definitely sympathize. Tolkien's novels have a way of becoming a part of their reader, and those who love them, love them very deeply. And sometimes they get jealous. After all, everyone sees Middle Earth differently, and everyone considers their view to be the definitive one. Legolas has blonde hair! No, black hair! No, blonde hair! No, black hair! Sauron is pronounced SOW-ron! No, it's pronounced SORE-on! Actually, it's sow-RONE. It is not! And so on. I say Balrog wings, you say no wings -- let's call the whole thing off.

We never thought we'd say this, but...damn, those Hobbits sure are fine.

So one can only draw the conclusion that anyone who decides to make a movie based on the books is extremely brave and most likely rather foolhardy. A movie will always be a single perspective on its source material, frozen on celluloid for eternity. Once the movies are made, legions of people who have never read the books will probably take the filmmakers' view of Middle Earth as their own. And so the ardent fans that have been watching the progress of filming with such devotion have been understandably nervous following every dubious announcement. The female roles have been "beefed up"? Sauron is visible? Arwen is being played by Liv Tyler?! The internet trailer released in April was subject to a shot-by-shot breakdown on TheOneRing.net, which is the central location for most of this scrutiny. Fans fretted over a million minute details that the trailer exposed -- why is Boromir handling the ring, why is Arwen carrying Frodo on her horse, why isn't Aragorn standing with the hobbits at Weathertop? Still, these were all small details, and not evidence of any larger changes that might be afflicting the hallowed source material. More than anything, these worries were a chance for debate and something to talk about during the interminable wait for the movies' release.

But the infamous spiked wheel photo was the final straw for many fans. The picture, taken on set, showed an old man of wizardy appearance skewered upside down on a huge spiky ring. Mystified Tolkien lovers everywhere tried to figure out where on earth this could possibly fit into the story. More information came later, when a spy sent in a reported call sheet from that day's filming that identified the impaled figure as the wizard Saruman (Christopher Lee). This is a decidedly gorier end than Saruman met in the books, and many fans irately put it down to the "Jackson Influence."
Before taking on Lord of the Rings, Peter Jackson was best known as a director of outrageous horror comedies. However, a closer look shows that the movies' connections to the horror genre don't stop there.

The Jackson Influence would be Peter Jackson, the films' director. Before taking on one of the most ambitious cinematic endeavors since, say, Intolerance, Jackson was best known as the creator of outrageous horror comedies such as Bad Taste, Braindead, and The Frighteners. Not, perhaps, the first director one would think of in relation to Tolkien's classic fantasy series. However, a closer look shows that the movies' connections to the horror genre don't stop there. There is Lee, of course, one of film's most well known and prolific Count Draculas, now playing the story's most visible villain. The music is being composed by Canadian Howard Shore, who has worked extensively with David Cronenberg as well as creating such classic horror movie scores as Se7en and Silence of the Lambs. John Gilbert, one of the editors, has worked in New Zealand horror films and thrillers throughout his career. Editor Jamie Selkirk and production designer Grant Major are both veterans of many of Jackson's older movies. Not to mention the fact that the movies are being produced by New Line Cinema, the House that Freddy Built. Sure, they've moved up in the world now, but the studio's origins were based in horror franchises such as Critters, Lawnmower Man, and Nightmare on Elm Street.

So what does all this mean for the finished product? How will the influence of all these horror movie types change Lord of the Rings? The Wizard Kabob is only the first sign -- what else will follow?

One of the other editors recommended I go to see "The Musketeer." Coincidentally, he was demoted twice, since then. Now he's just a junior copy editor. [snicker]

Ahhhhhh, they Saurman in TTT? AHHHH, too bad the scouring scene was cut.