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Zaia wrote:

Dargos wrote:

Mr Bean wrote:The Avarage IQ of Americans is 100

50% Americans are dumber than that

Please...pease...pretty please tell me that statistic is not a hard fact Mr. Bean.

IQ tests are bullshit and have no relevance to what American students and the American public learn concerning current events, history or geography.

It would be less than 50%, since there would be people who score exactly 100. Besides, the tests are adjusted so that 100 is the average score. IIRC, the WWI generation is estimated to have had an IQ of 86 by modern standards, as the test has actually become harder over the years. Zaia is right, however, since the test measures only certain basic skills, and IQ has no real bearing on how well a person will do in the future.

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:I'm a bit tired of Americans always being automatically called stupid, especially if the generalization is based on a highly visible minority (eg: fundamentalists, right-wing wackos, celebrities, etc...)

With IIRC something like 45% of Americans believing in creationism and the non-fundi rightwingnuts and rednecks making up another 10-20%, all those 'minority' nutjobs put together turn out to be a majority of the US population.

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:I'm a bit tired of Americans always being automatically called stupid, especially if the generalization is based on a highly visible minority (eg: fundamentalists, right-wing wackos, celebrities, etc...)

All these tend to be loudmouths but the average american is probably
dumber than the average continental european/korean/japanese.
But this has something to do with social/historical structures.

Thunderfire wrote:

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:I'm a bit tired of Americans always being automatically called stupid, especially if the generalization is based on a highly visible minority (eg: fundamentalists, right-wing wackos, celebrities, etc...)

All these tend to be loudmouths but the average american is probably
dumber than the average continental european/korean/japanese.
But this has something to do with social/historical structures.

My ass! I've delt with average Europeans and Asians and stupidity is a constant. Education in the U.S. can be found to be lacking, but that varies from region to region. Social/historical structures have no influence on IQ.

Bastard wrote:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/2491509.stm

Americans think the UK is in the middle east.

Yes, let's generalize that all Americans are stupid because some of them are. Good plan.

Sod off you moron.

Frank Hipper wrote:My ass! I've delt with average Europeans and Asians and stupidity is a constant. Education in the U.S. can be found to be lacking, but that varies from region to region. Social/historical structures have no influence on IQ.

Social/Historical Structures can and will influence IQ. Lots of immigrants
and the historical discrimination of blacks most likely has/das a negative
effect on the average IQ.

data_link wrote:

I have no problem with criticism of my nation, as long as the argument is thought out and not fallacious. This sort of mindless bashing, on the other hand, I consider to be more an irritation that a criticism. The article was blatantly misrepresented in order to be skewed the desired view, and such dishonesty should not be tolerated quietly.

This wasn't criticism, this was mockery... the latter is not constrained to the same rules as the former.

Okay, reality check -- if we're going to belittle a worthless nation in need of flushing, let us at least choose the right one (and one that can't lay waste to your own nation with ease) -- France...

Enlightenment wrote:

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:I'm a bit tired of Americans always being automatically called stupid, especially if the generalization is based on a highly visible minority (eg: fundamentalists, right-wing wackos, celebrities, etc...)

With IIRC something like 45% of Americans believing in creationism and the non-fundi rightwingnuts and rednecks making up another 10-20%, all those 'minority' nutjobs put together turn out to be a majority of the US population.

Do no confuse brainwashing with stupidity.

Masses are stupid and driven to follow whomever is the loudest.

A person varies.

Thus Americans in general are no more dumb than Europeans, Asians or Africans.

To just say in general America alone is dumb and the rest of the world is not is a tad bit too much ignorance.

A great empire and little minds go ill together. --Burke

Frank Hipper wrote:

Thunderfire wrote:

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:I'm a bit tired of Americans always being automatically called stupid, especially if the generalization is based on a highly visible minority (eg: fundamentalists, right-wing wackos, celebrities, etc...)

All these tend to be loudmouths but the average american is probably
dumber than the average continental european/korean/japanese.
But this has something to do with social/historical structures.

My ass! I've delt with average Europeans and Asians and stupidity is a constant. Education in the U.S. can be found to be lacking, but that varies from region to region. Social/historical structures have no influence on IQ.

As a very middling American undergrad, I met and worked with PLENTY of stupid, stupid people. They were from America, China, Laos, Kentucky, Switzerland, Bulgaria, Romania, Japan, Ethiopa, and Mexico, Poland, and England. Well, they weren't any stupider than anyone else. I'm sure they were all wrong about something or other. But none of them would look at a quote from a tourism minister and take it unquestioningly over a breakdown of test scores or something which I was expecting. I'm also pretty confident that, except for the ones who could speak no English whatsoever (these got put in teaching positions), they could spot satire. But at any rate, all of them would have read the whole thing and held their thoughts until they could form one, which is more than what Bastard has done.

Malecoda wrote:As a very middling American undergrad, I met and worked with PLENTY of stupid, stupid people. They were from America, China, Laos, Kentucky, Switzerland, Bulgaria, Romania, Japan, Ethiopa, and Mexico, Poland, and England. Well, they weren't any stupider than anyone else. I'm sure they were all wrong about something or other. But none of them would look at a quote from a tourism minister and take it unquestioningly over a breakdown of test scores or something which I was expecting. I'm also pretty confident that, except for the ones who could speak no English whatsoever (these got put in teaching positions), they could spot satire. But at any rate, all of them would have read the whole thing and held their thoughts until they could form one, which is more than what Bastard has done.

Ah, yes, the key to everything--reading before slandering... (Which I did, if you read my earlier post)

I like the fact that Kentucky got its own billing--did it secede from the U.S. and I missed it? Or have you just met that many ignornant Kentuckians?

Didn't you know in the year 22 of the Chicken Kentuckia gained it's own standing

Still making it stand out is rather odd...nice catch.

Shinova wrote:

Next of Kin wrote:

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My point is, try not to generalize. But I do agree with the notion that most Americans are stupid. Not all.

Is that arrow pointing to me Shinova??

Arrow points to my avatar, in other words, me.

That arrow is starting to get out of control...

ArmorPierce wrote:

Frank Hipper wrote:Arguments aside, I remember a survey taken several years ago in which a sizable percentage of Americans could not name the large North American country directly to the south.

Oh thats because a lot if people thunks that Mexico is in South America because they are stupid

Who are stupid?

Alyeska wrote:

Enlightenment wrote:

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:I'm a bit tired of Americans always being automatically called stupid, especially if the generalization is based on a highly visible minority (eg: fundamentalists, right-wing wackos, celebrities, etc...)

With IIRC something like 45% of Americans believing in creationism and the non-fundi rightwingnuts and rednecks making up another 10-20%, all those 'minority' nutjobs put together turn out to be a majority of the US population.

Do no confuse brainwashing with stupidity.

Stupidity is a pre-requisite.

I'm American... but I do admit that I hate the stupid Americans (like those who think I'm not an American nor do I live in the US and speak spanish because I live in New Mexico...) and further I'm ashamed to admit that there do tend to be a lot of stupid Americans (hence the game shows about common sense knowledge that well, doesn't seem that common...)

Naw, Kentucky just had a nice ring to it.

Slartibartfast wrote:

Alyeska wrote: Do no confuse brainwashing with stupidity.

Stupidity is a pre-requisite.

Not if its something you're exposed to since birth...

While the average American intelligence is rather deplorable, America probably has the highest concentration of intellectual elites. Why? The freedom and high standards of living attracts the most brilliant minds from accross the world. Just take a look at any good engineering college. There is a disproportionally high number of international students and professors in those departments. These are the people that are responsible for a lot of the tech advancements.

It's a good thing that all non-Americans are so intelligent.. cough, cough

Id like to actually see the test National Geographic gave. Anyone know of a link?

Bastard wrote:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/2491509.stm

Americans think the UK is in the middle east.

Define Middle East. If we consider America West and Asia the Far East the UK and Europe could be considered to be in the Middle East. Why the fuck should America go by European oriented naming conventions? Hell by some definitions Morocco is in the Middle East, and its further west then the UK.

Sea Skimmer wrote:

Bastard wrote:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/2491509.stm

Americans think the UK is in the middle east.

Define Middle East. If we consider America West and Asia the Far East the UK and Europe could be considered to be in the Middle East. Why the fuck should America go by European oriented naming conventions? Hell by some definitions Morocco is in the Middle East, and its further west then the UK.

And if you consider America the center, then Europe is the Middle/Far East and Asia is the Middle/Far West. This would make more sense if you're doing it from an American POV.

American more stupids than others people? For having elected in power one like Bush? Well speaking from one country that had been ruled for 20 years by an ex corporal in blackshirt (no offence for the NCOs) and shares the border with an other one who gave birth to an other ex corporal which ruled an other country for more than ten years with a shirt of (slighty) different color I would be the biggest hypocrit on earth suggesting such a thing.
There is no reason to believe that.
Ignorance? Well if the 40% of the americans really believe in creationism and Azeron has a major in history for knowing not much more about roman history than I was supposed to know at the high school then there must be something rotten.But it would be reckless to judge only on this basis.
If someone can point out to me some websites with the programs of the courses which are kept in your colleges (for that it is worth) I would appreciate.
Also the americans seem to have the fastidiou tendence of ignoring what their government does abroad.So they often fall from the tree,for example bashing France for having supplied weapons to their current enemy (in the majority of the cases read as yesterday ally),ignoring blatantly that usually they managed to supply to their enemies more weapons than France did .