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Crom wrote:

Captain Cyran wrote:Yes but that was Anakin, one of the strongest force users ever. While yes a Sith Lord is going to be powerful in the force, I highly doubt he's going to be as powerful as AotC Anakin.

Anakin was still defeated in AoTC by Darth Tyrannus despite being more powerful. Mastery of the Force seems to be a factor as well.

While yes it will be an issue. Anakin was holding his own against Tyrannus rather well in the fight (IIRC Tyrannus was impressed by the skill he showed). And either way, in the Tuskan raider scenario Anakin had given into the dark side and was angry, and using his full potential and possibly beyond. Against Tyrannus he wasn't.

In the end, mastery does play a factor but raw power is what stopped those spears, not mastery.

Captain Cyran wrote:While yes it will be an issue. Anakin was holding his own against Tyrannus rather well in the fight (IIRC Tyrannus was impressed by the skill he showed).

He wasn't really holding his own considered he was taken out with Force Lightning initially and then dismembered in the second part of the fight. In terms of raw potential I always thought Anakin could have been the most powerful Jedi, but in AoTC we see him going up against a Sith Lord, who is not as powerful as the Emperor as far as I can tell, and the Sith Lord hands him his ass along with his arm.

And either way, in the Tuskan raider scenario Anakin had given into the dark side and was angry, and using his full potential and possibly beyond. Against Tyrannus he wasn't.

I think you should also take into account that the Tuskens weren't Sith Lords. They had no ways to counteract Anakin's Force techniques.

In the end, mastery does play a factor but raw power is what stopped those spears, not mastery.

I think that blocking spears would be a feat manageable by Dooku or Yoda at the very least.

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YT300000 wrote:

White Haven wrote:EMP (or its sufficiently technobabbly Wars equivalent), and a few guys with automatic chemical-powered firearms.

*Fwoop* so much for your saber.
*BAMBAMBAMBAMBAMBAM* So much for your spine.

There are Force techniques to totally negate toxins, and they can probably absorb the energy from the EMP too (assuming it'll even take out the sabre). Yes, its ridiculously hard to kill a Force user.

I believe Haven was talking about your run of the mill firearm, not poison.

Yes, I see he was, I missed the -powered on my first read of his post. In that case, Force wall.

Crom wrote:He wasn't really holding his own considered he was taken out with Force Lightning initially and then dismembered in the second part of the fight. In terms of raw potential I always thought Anakin could have been the most powerful Jedi, but in AoTC we see him going up against a Sith Lord, who is not as powerful as the Emperor as far as I can tell, and the Sith Lord hands him his ass along with his arm.

I've never read the book but if I remember what I've heard right, when it came to slowing each other down using the force, Anakin was actually holding his own against Tyrannus, it was just Tyrannus being a much better duelist that gave him the win.

I think you should also take into account that the Tuskens weren't Sith Lords. They had no ways to counteract Anakin's Force techniques.

Why? The ability to counteract something has no effect on how much damage a wall can take. Just because you use an armor piercing shell instead of a normal one doesn't mean the wall has changed at all.

I think that blocking spears would be a feat manageable by Dooku or Yoda at the very least.

Yoda most likely, but he's practically on the same level as Anakin is in terms of raw power. Dooku is up in the air, unless of course someone has info on that? *looks around at those who have read the books.*

Captain Cyran wrote:I've never read the book but if I remember what I've heard right, when it came to slowing each other down using the force, Anakin was actually holding his own against Tyrannus, it was just Tyrannus being a much better duelist that gave him the win.

I've never read the book either so I can't be much help there. It just seems to me that Anakin's performance couldn't have been that great considering the lesser of the two current Sith Lords rocked his shit.

Why? The ability to counteract something has no effect on how much damage a wall can take. Just because you use an armor piercing shell instead of a normal one doesn't mean the wall has changed at all.

I'm just saying that his performance against Tusken Raiders is not an accurate way of gauging how effective he was in fighting Dooku. The Tuskens are not Jedi, and even if he was going berserk, that does not necessarily mean he was fighting better or fulfilling any of his innate potential. A village of Tusken Raiders should be a cake walk for most Jedi, I would think.

Yoda most likely, but he's practically on the same level as Anakin is in terms of raw power. Dooku is up in the air, unless of course someone has info on that? *looks around at those who have read the books.*

According to the Databank the EU description of Dooku:

Databank wrote:Dooku had studied the ways of the Force for almost eight decades, becoming one of its most powerful practitioners, though his ultimate loyalty was not to the structured protocols of the Jedi order, but rather to his own intuitions and ideals.

Bolded text done by me.

Gimme a couple dozen speeders with E-WEBs, shields, and Yslamiri mounted on them, some bombers, some Vong warriors, and lots of thermal detonator-stuffed Yslamiri.

The speeders run suppression and their yslamiri blanket the entire area in a force-nullifying field, and the Vong go take them out.

Backup plan 1: toss the yslamiri at them, wiping them all out.

Alternate backup plan: bomb the entire area.

*wipes remains of Sith wank-fest off topic*

That said, Droidekas, in small numbers and repeated waves. Keep him off bal.ance, and send in a droid sniper to drop Sith Boy before his pre-cog kicks in. Main thing, keep it all droids. Troops will piss and run in five seconds from thinking of attacking a Jedi.


EDIT: Ysalamiri wouldn't really help, unless in large numbers. A few troopers would just stand out as emptiness in the Force, alerting the Sith Lord, who would then proceed to TK their asses(like C'Baoth did to Mara Jade). It's useful if the Force User's IN the ysalamiri's range, not before.

Captain Cyran wrote:Yes but that was Anakin, one of the strongest force users ever. While yes a Sith Lord is going to be powerful in the force, I highly doubt he's going to be as powerful as AotC Anakin.

Skill counts. Anakin was unskilled. Dooku kicked his ass with a single zap of lightning.

If Dooku hadn't had to fight Obi-Wan too he would have been all over Anakin's ass. Obi Wan Kenobi, Mack-Daddy of Star Wars is also able to defeat a more experienced Anakin through his skill (This isn't a spoiler, it's been out there since 1977) alone, when Anakin was in full Darth Vader mode.

NecronLord wrote:

Captain Cyran wrote:Yes but that was Anakin, one of the strongest force users ever. While yes a Sith Lord is going to be powerful in the force, I highly doubt he's going to be as powerful as AotC Anakin.

Skill counts. Anakin was unskilled. Dooku kicked his ass with a single zap of lightning.

If Dooku hadn't had to fight Obi-Wan too he would have been all over Anakin's ass. Obi Wan Kenobi, Mack-Daddy of Star Wars is also able to defeat a more experienced Anakin through his skill (This isn't a spoiler, it's been out there since 1977) alone, when Anakin was in full Darth Vader mode.

I didn't say skill doesn't play a part, simply that when we're talking about that force wall it doesn't play a part. That's just raw power at that point. The lightning wasn't skill, that was raw power, the use of the force to slow down Anakin was skill.

If skill didn't play a part, Kid Anakin would have been able to do it in TPM.

NecronLord wrote:If skill didn't play a part, Kid Anakin would have been able to do it in TPM.

My bad for exagerating, skill plays a relatively minor part, such as knowing how to do it. Skill has nothing to do with the strength of the wall, as I have already stated.

Uhuh. And why do you say a Sith couldn't do it, given that they select their apprentices from the most powerful force users available - Dooku being the most powerful jedi of his generation - then?

NecronLord wrote:Uhuh. And why do you say a Sith couldn't do it, given that they select their apprentices from the most powerful force users available - Dooku being the most powerful jedi of his generation - then?

I said that it was unlikely, unless there is evidence to the contrary, that a non-specific sith lord could do it. And again, I stated that they were the cream of the crop, but none are going to be as powerful as Anakin is, so it is highly unlikely that a generic sith lord is going to be able to create a force wall that is as strong as Anakin's was.

Problem is that a Sith Lord mean a leader of Sith faction (and his/her apprentice)

is this somebody like Exar Kun (survived in "ghost" from for 4000 years), Darth Revan (survived the bridge floor of his flagship exploding on him and also was considerd one most powerfull Jedi of his time), Darth Sion (for all intents and purposes a walking corpse), Darth Sidious (was able to fool even strongest Jedi of his era) or Darth Vader (the Chosen One)

I mean there's hell of difference on what needed to Yoda (or somebody of equal power) and a no-name Padawan.

Faqa wrote:EDIT: Ysalamiri wouldn't really help, unless in large numbers. A few troopers would just stand out as emptiness in the Force, alerting the Sith Lord, who would then proceed to TK their asses(like C'Baoth did to Mara Jade). It's useful if the Force User's IN the ysalamiri's range, not before.

Not true. Single ysalamiri, sufficiently spaced from each other, aren't easy to spot unless you're paranoid. Luke Skywalker nearly missed spotting one in Vision of the Future, and he knew that the Hand of Thrawn would be sending ysalamir troops after him. It's only when you have a group of ysalamiri that the empty bubble becomes noticeable.

Id do it myself. Knock him over a railing and watch him fall into a pit.

Or better yet, become his apprentice, train in the ways of the Sith, and then once I got stronger, i'd kill him and soon this scenario would be all about taking ME down. But sicne you have all revealed your strategies, I will know what to look for.