Not that I'm opposed to the notion that SW spans its galaxy. Ultimately, it would not affect these debates. The Empire or Republic might be *bigger* than the Federation, but they'd still be unwise to trespass on Federation Space. A beachball is bigger than a grenade...but I know which can go off with greater force.
-TOWNMNBS
And you know, when it arguably would only take a single Trek
style photon torpedo at max yield (or just fired at 0.8 C w/o arming the warhead at all) to vaporize any ship of the imperial navy, I am
disinclined to believe a Fed world would require all that much
protection against the empire to begin with. The fact remains, hyperdrive isn't usefull tactically against Trek ships *in* battle. Only for getting to and *possibly* from it.
-TOWNMNBS
Trek style torpedoes can be fired *from* any speed *at* any
target
-TOWNMNBS
TOWNMNBS: CP, I will await a *civil* reply.
Phong: Then what are you doing in alt.startrek.vs.starwars? This is basically a flamewar group.
They can track targets effectively even at warp. Of course they can do a 90 degree tyurn at massively sub-relativistic speeds. And nothing's been shown to prove they *can't* do it. And again, *if* it were an issue, the Fed ship would simply fire them straight down from above in
geo-synchronous orbit, well out of range of the DS's weaponery, and at a velocity far faster than their obviously manual gunners could ever hope to track, let alone target or shoot down.
-TOWNMNBS on photon torpedoes vs. the DS
The films and series. Have you ever watched them? Every single instance of something getting attached to the hull is *immediately*
recognized...in fact, the typically spot the attempt when, if not
before, contact is made with the shields. Come to that, half the time,
contect is *prevented* *BY* the shields...lucky for Solo SW shields
aren't capable of that.
-TOWNMNBS
Well let's see. While the SW ships can't spot a corellian freighter
penetrating its shields and clamping onto its back, a Fed ship would, in about 3 to 5 seconds on average, often less, ascertain a potential
threat vessel's *total* offensive and defensive potential. Right down to weapon power outputs, shield and hull strengths, systems status, crew compliment and origin, etc. While there's every reason to think SW sensors couldn't even penetrate shields, Trek sensors would spot the "ancient" hyperdrive tech present, and already be on to the astrophysics department to modify the lateral array to spot them in hyperspace, and to engineering to stand by to generate a grava-metric pulse to act as an interdictor well...that's assuming a standard tractor beam wouldn't do the trick, which one would expect it to. The Feds would know every move the imp ship was going to make as they were transfering power to make it. *That's* what advantage they'd have.
-TOWNMNBS
TOWNMNBS: Utterly false. A Trek ship can circle or strafe, and the warheads
You know, the Romulans used to think their cloaking tech made them
utterly indetectable to Fed sensors...they were wrong in their
arrogance, too. Once the Feds realize their adversary is using
"ancient" hyperdrice tech, a sector-by-sector graviton web will be
erected to interdict hyperspatial travel into key areas. Over the space of perhaps a few months to at most a year, most of the Federation will be covered, just as they managed to do with their subspace listening posts to detect Romulan ships crossing over into their space. Then, of course, the Klingons, Cardassians, Romulans, Ferengi, etc would all follow suit, and withing a grand total of perhaps 2 or 3 years the Alpha Quadrant would be basically inaccessable to SW ships. You see, *I* can speculate as readily as you can...except I am doing so legitimately.
-TOWNMNBS
"Our workload is nothing to do with this debate. Our personal obligations are nothign to do with this debate. If you don't have the time available don't challenge people to debates. You chose to start this debate now - you had the chance to take what you wanted from my page before christmas, but chose instead to go for this. Don't start moaning that I've got it easier than you have - you chose this debate, you chose this time. Any repetitions I make are a result of your responses."
-Edam, debate #2, March 11, 2002, before backing out of the debate having claimed that he didn't have time for it
"The other two requirements simply do not require a great expenditure of power. Destroying all residential, commercial, industrial, and agricultural sectors on the planet would be exceptionally easy. Coastal cities and any fisheries they support would be annihilated by a single kt-ranged thermal groundburst in the water, which would throw up a blast of superheated steam across the land, and destroy everything underwater through sheer concussion. Inland cities could be taken out with single kt-ranged hits without difficulty, and since the vast majority of industry and commerce would be in the cities, that would eliminate the bulk of the population right off the bat."
-E1701 "ISD vs. GCS"
http://kier.3dfrontier.com/forums/showt ... genumber=4
"His Divine Shadow" wrote:
> What you don't get, it fits perfectly with wars, you just refused to > accept this simple fact, Lucasfilm, George Lucas and Saxton agrees, > you don't? Who do you think is more qualified?
Elim Garak:
I am - because I actually watched the movies and yet at the same time know the difference between speed of sound and speed of light. Which makes me distinctly different from the people you just mentioned.
-Anton Polinger on the authority of George Lucas and Curtis Saxton versus himself in SW/ST debates.
"Wayne Poe: ST:5 Your average SF captain can't even deal with a simple textbook hostage scenerio. In terms of diplomancy nor tactically.
Elim: What are you babbling about? He dealt with it just fine, except that the hostages took him hostage!
Me: Man, that's worthy of a sig!"
--C.S.Strowbridge
You should've *read* what I wrote above, rather than engaged in yet
another demonstration of how foolish your side becomes when you're
losing a debate. You know, that kind of behavior from SWersies, as much
as anything else, proves to me and most objective third-party observers
that Trek's supporters truly have the greatest case, and certainly the
most credability. We do not engage in sucr purile attacks. We don't need
to. We are right, have proven right, and can easily continue to prove we
are right. And you know, when you *really* are right, and not just
posturing for public appeal, you find that that *really* is enough. I'm
not kidding! You honestly don't *need* to "one-up" the other side's
speakers in word games or flame wars. And I for one am extremely proud
of that fact. Not only is Star Trek's technology superior, so are it's
internet debate supporters! Amazing, but demonstrably True.
In any case, this *will* be my last reply to Crystal Psyborg, unless the
next post I see from CP is more mature, and worhty of my attention. And
frankly, I couldn't possibly care less how snubbish or arrogant or
condescending that sounds. It's a fact, and a well-justified one at
that. Be civil, or be ignored. Your choice.
-TOWNMNBS
Also found on SB [paraphrased]
-The Empire only has 1000 capital ships. 25 of them are ISDs, one of them is the Executor, a few hundred of them are VSDs and the rest are frigates and corvettes.
-As an analogy to the Empire vs. Federation
Okay, so the Emp has better tech. But like modern tech, it is too specialized. A WWII flotilla could defeat a modern naval flotilla using the right tactics and WWI biplanes could defeat modern jet aircraft.
-[Paraphrased from SB]
"Don't even start this with me. I'm a hunter, I can judge distance just fine, thanks, and I can peg cans and bottles with ease from twice that range with an offhand pistol shot. Without aiming I can peg targets within 3 inches of bullseye with throwing knives. With a rifle? Hell, triple or quadruple that range. Yes, these are all unaimed snapshots. A target the size of a human should be easy prey, especially, when like
Han, Leia, Luke, and the droids, who were barely moving."
-E1701 on his skill vs. Stormtrooper accuracy
Preferably the sentence with the drones. 
