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Anyone who thinks this is silly should read the 'Secura isn't dead' thread. People SAW her get blown away, but MAYBE she survived

Mace is more likely to be alive than any of the other Jedi that we see die. He is also not likely to be alive at all.

However, I've noticed people putting a lot of subjectivity into Palpatines powers, so who knows.

I just read the other thread on how the force lightning just revealed Sidious's true appearance, so I retract that part. Still, Windu looked like little more than a blackened skeletal form when he went out the window completely.

I sure hope Windu died...that was the funniest yet coolest death I've seen in a long time, and Anakin cutting his arm off just seconds before made the great Mace seem rather like an insignificant heap of Jedi arrogance!

I can't see the airspeeder thing actually happening, though. Does anyone remember seeing speeders outside the Chancellor's office? It wouldn't make sense to have speeders so close to the Senate building....

Stofsk wrote:Do I want Windu to survive? Hell no. The only Jedi I wanted to survive was blue skinned and a d-cup.

AMEN TO THAT, BROTHER!

Stark wrote:Anyone who thinks this is silly should read the 'Secura isn't dead' thread. People SAW her get blown away, but MAYBE she survived

No, it's "We HOPE she survived, because a butt that hot needs to sizzle in a GOOD way."

As for Mace... yeah, he can fuck off and die.

Samuel L. Jacks...errr, Mace may be One Bad-Ass MoFo.

He may be the top dog of the Jedi.

Hell, he may even be able to hold his own against Yoda with sabers.

But I'm sorry. When the Emporer wants you dead, you have relatively few choices:

a) turn his apprentice against him
b) Run. Run fast, and far.
c) Hide out on some god-forsaken rock, doing your best not to be noticed by anyone

or

d) Die.

Methods a, b, and c were employed by Luke, Yoda, and both Yoda and Ben (respectively).

Method d was followed by everyone else (including Vader, though he took Palpy with him).

Windu chose option e: be a Bad-Ass MoFo, threaten him, and turn your back on a potential threat. This led him back to option d.

Windu was sliced, fried, and fell down what was (effectively) a deep pit. He's hawk-bat fodder.

Stofsk wrote:As for Mace... yeah, he can fuck off and die.

I'm curious about why the strong dislike of Mace Windu?

Sure, he lead a group of Jedi into what amounted to a death trap, but other than that I don't remember him doing that much.

Crom wrote:

Stofsk wrote:As for Mace... yeah, he can fuck off and die.

I'm curious about why the strong dislike of Mace Windu?

Sure, he lead a group of Jedi into what amounted to a death trap, but other than that I don't remember him doing that much.

He blundered the arena in so many ways it's hard NOT to hate him. Under him, many Jedi died. They could have escaped as quickly as possible, then come back in when Yoda arrived with the clones but instead they just kind of stand in the center and get hammered. Also, Windu had Dooku at the blade's edge, and lost him. He's a loser, pure and simple.

At the same time, he treats Anakin like shit and is explicitly hostile towards him and his training. He and the Jedi failed Anakin throughout his formative training and in the last days of the Republic, he didn't give Anakin a reason to trust him or the Jedi.

If Mace Windu isn't dead, I'll track the son of a bitch Jedi witch down myself and kill his hippy ass.

I personally think Lucas left his death intentionally vague. Sure, things look bleak for Mace, but his survival could easily be written into the TV show (or a novel, comic, etc.).

My cynical side can imagine James Earl Jones and Samuel L. Jackson doing guest spots as Vader and Mace (w/artificial arm) squaring off in some major episode during May sweeps in a couple of years.

Galvatron wrote:I personally think Lucas left his death intentionally vague. Sure, things look bleak for Mace, but his survival could easily be written into the TV show (or a novel, comic, etc.).

My cynical side can imagine James Earl Jones and Samuel L. Jackson doing guest spots as Vader and Mace (w/artificial arm) squaring off in some major episode during May sweeps in a couple of years.

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Personally, I choose to believe that Mace survived the long fall and force-cution and crawled to a back street prosthetics shop on coruscant to have his appendages repaired.

Once he accomplishes that, he becomes a criminal henchman, due to his fractured mind and more or less abandonment of the ways of the force. He slowly remembers more and more of his past life, and considers the chilling lines he's been telling his victims, about shepherds and the tyranny of evil men, and he goes through some sort of redemption thing.

After the events of RotJ, he meets up with Luke, in a diner, who has collected all the lightsabres of the Sith that have died in a bag. He says who he is, and asks for his lightsabre back.

Luke says, "Which one's yours?"

Mace responds, "It's the one that says "Bad Mother Fucker" on it."

Luke finds it, and passes it back to its rightful owner. He leaves the diner without incident, and goes to the next peaceful stage in his life.

Oh noes! Mace didn't explode like the Emperor, he must sitll be alivezor!111

While I'm sure he could still be alive, the intention (both of Sid and George) is that he's dead. Debate is meaningless, until George changes his mind.

Spartan wrote:I recall no reference to Jedi spirits disintegrating, but I take your meaning.

Well, they can either manage to maintain soul cohesion or not.

They became one with the force and disappeared ala Yoda and Obi-Wan. Its interesting in their case because: Ulric was blinded to the force, while Luke's padawan's had less than a month of training and still manage it....without having been taught!

Help me. Still, the Whillis Process can't be that hard to learn. Qui-Gon somehow managed to learn it after he died and before he would have disintegrated without the technique. Don't those Padawans already know of some BS called Tyia, so they know how to manipulate the Force in some limited way?

Heck remember when it took a Jedi to kill a Jedi?

Actually, we are closer to that than ever. In the OT, you can use the Force to choke people, be a better swordfighter and maybe throw a few objects around. Then Jedi powers became increasingly wank. Even the PT followed the trend in its search for "coolness", even if you don't Sid managing to jam a huge bunch of Jedi at once with his Dark Side Shroud. As your powers grow increasingly wank, it becomes closer to the above ideal.

and the Force was Mystical.

I'm not sure if it was ever meant to be mystical. Even in the ANH novelization, it was explained as a knd of "energy field" and they have analyzed it partially. The scheme of it being partly scientific had gone on rather consistently for a long time. It is just that it is still not fully scientifized, and gained on a mythical air.

Some parts are decent volume 1 for instance the remainder is utter shit.

The Battle of Balmorra seemed like something for humor... lame humor.

Stofsk wrote:He blundered the arena in so many ways it's hard NOT to hate him. Under him, many Jedi died. They could have escaped as quickly as possible, then come back in when Yoda arrived with the clones but instead they just kind of stand in the center and get hammered. Also, Windu had Dooku at the blade's edge, and lost him. He's a loser, pure and simple.

I see your point. Mace Windu really did botch the whole Arena situation.

I always interpreted his actions in that he completely misjudged Dooku. I think he expected Dooku to back down once the Jedi revealed their presence. I also think up until that point he did not know, or expect, Dooku to have embraced the Dark Side and still thought of Dooku as a fellow Jedi.

Plus, I never saw him give orders during the whole scene in the Arena, so I figure a lot of what the Jedi did resulted in them just trying to assemble and get their act together. They performed dismally, but I'm not sure it was entirely his fault.

I'm not trying to convince you to hate Mace Windu any less. That was just how I saw his actions, he still is personally responsible for the death of at least a hundred or so Jedi, an action for which it seems he was never held accountable for.

At the same time, he treats Anakin like shit and is explicitly hostile towards him and his training. He and the Jedi failed Anakin throughout his formative training and in the last days of the Republic, he didn't give Anakin a reason to trust him or the Jedi.

That was always a tough call for me. I always thought that Anakin spent most of his time with Obi-Wan, who while grating (God, how many times did he say, "My very young padawan?") always struck me as trustworthy and loyal. I never got the impression that Mace Windu interacted with Anakin much, and when he did Anakin was acting like a bitch.

One thing about Windu, is when he was facing Palpatine, is if Palpatine had mentioned about Padme. Windu could have realized that Anakin was in love with her, and Anakin's face would reveal the truth.

Windu would realize that they were married, and had a kid.

Then, Windu starts getting onto Anakin. "You were telling me about following the rules of the Jedi Order? You've been defying the rules for the past what, ten years? And you've made her pregnant as well! You know what this means Anakin."

Anakin: "I love her. I have loved her for the past ten years, and you cannot deny that."

Windu: "No? Then let me tell you what the Council will decide. First, you will immediately break off the marriage to the Senator. Second, you will cease any further communications with her. Third, you will lose your rank of Knight. You will be kept at the Jedi temple for the rest of your life, and only let out when two Masters are there to watch you at all times."

(Anakin gets shocked at the first, then he starts getting pissed. He bows his head, and from Windu's point of view, it looks like Anakin is accepting his announcement. A close-up of the hood shows that Anakin is getting angry. Palpatine is looking between the two, and starting to smile.)

Windu: "And finally, the child will be terminated. After today, you are to never speak to another person outside the Jedi Temple, and you will never be allowed outside without supervision. You have never learned the rules, you have defied our authority, and have proven that you can never be trusted. Forget Padme, because you will never see her again."

Anakin: (Suddenly looks up at Mace and you can see the anger in his face) "NEVER!"

(Windu suddenly changes expression from absolute confidence to Oh Shit)

Anakin charges across the room, lightsaber drawn, engaging Windu in a direct battle. When Windu knocks him back (higher skill) Anakin starts using the debris in the room to attack Windu with. Anakin just keeps on going, and finally start cutting Windu with the lightsaber. You see Windu fall in the same manner as Vader did in RotJ, and Anakin keeps on cutting, until there is only pieces of Windu scattered on the floor. Anakin finally grabs some heavy piece of sculpture that is left, and splatters the remains.

Palpatine slowly gets up, and has a very big smile on his face. He sensed the anger building up in Anakin, and decided that he would let this one play out, without any interference. He looks at Anakin, and asks if Anakin is all right.

Anakin slowly calms down, and realizes what he has done. He has murdered a senior memberof the Jedi council, using the Dark side of the Force. But his first question

Anakin: "You said the Dark side could be used to save someone's life. Is that true, and do you have the knowledge?"

(Palpatine has to think really quickly here, as otherwise Anakin will likely call for reinforcements, or take him on. Palpatine could take on Anakin, but it would attract every Jedi in the galaxy due to the Dark Side energy.)

P: "The Dark Side can, yes. I do have the knowledge, but it takes a great deal of power. By myself, I cannot. I will need your strength when the time comes. There is a problem though." (Palpatine lying here, to keep Anakin)

A: "What?" (Anakin is getting nervous here, due to his love for Padme.)

P: "It is very sensitive, and time-consuming. If any of the Jedi were to sense it, they could disrupt it, killing whoever we were trying to save."

A: "Windu was the best of the Jedi. He speaks for all of the Council. If the Council finds out about Padme, they will do what Windu just said. I can't let them interfere. What about the children at the Temple?"

P: "What do you think they will do?"

A: "They have been trained just as Windu was trained. They will agree with him."

P: "Then you know what you have to do."

A: "Yes," (bowing on one knee) "Master. I will deal with them. What about the rest of the Jedi away from the temple?"

P: "Leave that to me."

(continue with movie, where Palpatine issues General Order 66, and Anakin slaughters the Jedi children.)

Comments?

Having Anakin kill Mace would have been very powerful. However I think you interpretation is a little over the top. Hello daddy-mack Lucas needs a PG-13 rating to make some dough.

If were going to go for an NC-17 rating, I'd much prefer a Alya and Padame lesbian bondage session!