Transporters are Dangerous!!

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2002-07-31 04:02pm

TheDarkling wrote:When we start talking about the Soul we get into rather odd territory but I do wonder why these question never occur to the races that use the transporers, for example we know the Bajorans believe in a soul yet they have no concerns.

We know that Humans still believe in souls because in Measure of a Man one of the question raised is wether Data has a soul also Picard isnt shocked that an after life and God exist (Ref Tapesty) until he finds out its Q.

Therefore the magical energy could be what they define as a soul and I would agree the ability to trap someones soul in a device is chilling.

but then in other episodes they imply the idea of a soul or god as arcaic. sometime you wonder what they actually mean.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-07-31 04:06pm

I cant remember them saying the idea of a soul was primitive however I do remember some slights aginst God.

Maybe they just dont like organised religion or are agnostic.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-07-31 11:02pm

TheDarkling wrote:I cant remember them saying the idea of a soul was primitive however I do remember some slights aginst God.

Maybe they just dont like organised religion or are agnostic.

They can't be agnostic. They actually met God, remember? And they've met several gods from different religions, and even more apparently omnipotent beings.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-07-31 11:09pm

"What does God need with a starship" sorry to remind everyone that ST V actually existed.

Those were just your run of the mill super beings, they werent God - not even Q knows who God is according to I,Q - good book by the way.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-07-31 11:18pm

But they have met Greek/Roman gods, and the Prophets, and lots of other god-like beings.

Moonstone Spider · Post by **Moonstone Spider** » 2002-07-31 11:22pm

They've also killed god, repeatedly. What religion is that?
"Yes, the Federation is Christian. Of course we believe in Jesus, we have what's left of him after tangling with Kirk on display in this jar here. . ."

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-07-31 11:24pm

Moonstone Spider wrote:They've also killed god, repeatedly. What religion is that?
"Yes, the Federation is Christian. Of course we believe in Jesus, we have what's left of him after tangling with Kirk on display in this jar here. . ."

That's true. They've killed many gods. And Kirk has blown lots of Klingons to their gods, and Sisko has blown many Jem'Hadar to their gods, and lots of people have tried to kill the Prophets, and Sisko helped kill the Pawraiths, and....

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-08-01 12:19am

Yes but they always refer to them as aliens - The wormhole aliens for example.

The Jem Hadar gods are the founders and I dont think you will find many Feds thinking they are gods.

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2002-08-01 12:23am

Just a question... How did y'all get from; 'Transporters are Dangerous' to talking about Gods?

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-08-01 12:25am

It was to do with the metaphysical repercussions of the transporter on the Human soul.

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2002-08-01 12:28am

Well clearly aren't I an ass!

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-08-01 01:03am

But the Bajorans clearly thought of the prophets as gods. And what about the Pa'wraiths? Dukat thought that they were gods. I think that this might have to do with a SF dismissal of religion.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-08-01 01:08am

The Bajorans may believe that the prophets are gods but the humans no longer seem to believe in organised religion.

We dont really know what the other Fed races think about gods etc.

Antediluvian · Post by **Antediluvian** » 2002-08-01 01:24am

Master of Ossus wrote:
Isolder74 wrote:the transporter is always having some problem:

if not splitting you into good and evil halfs, it turning you into children. sometimes it results in an exact copy of someone. and then you could end up being completely vaporized never to return.

i am an engennering major and i know for a fact that the number of accident with transporters that occur would immidiatly cause the goverment today to demand a redesign of the unit or it's complete retirement
NTM the holodeck.

How about Federation design, period?

Like using only one type of fail-safe for the Warp Drive?

Hoo boy.

On Topic: I agree transporters are too dangerous and unpredictable to use.

Anyone remember "Mirror, Mirror?"

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-08-01 01:30am

You have to remember that almost every SF transport accident is due to some strange circumstance - people just beaming around Earth or to and from a transport will have no complaints.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2002-08-01 01:32am

TheDarkling wrote:You have to remember that almost every SF transport accident is due to some strange circumstance - people just beaming around Earth or to and from a transport will have no complaints.

The frequency of the accidents is what makes Transporters dangerous. Simply using a shuttle would decrease the accident rate at least a hundredfold.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-08-01 01:34am

SirNitram: Yes but Phil who uses it to go to the cabin on the weekend has no problems with the transporter, thats what im saying.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2002-08-01 01:38am

TheDarkling wrote:SirNitram: Yes but Phil who uses it to go to the cabin on the weekend has no problems with the transporter, thats what im saying.

Except possibly his electric bill.

Power intensive technobble vs. a car. Hrm... Which is better....

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-08-01 01:40am

Electric bill???? what are you talking about, theres no need for such crazy things

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2002-08-01 01:41am

TheDarkling wrote:Electric bill???? what are you talking about, theres no need for such crazy things

well it still takes fuel

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-08-01 01:43am

Fusion??
If they are crazy enough they could keep warp cores on the planet (wouldnt be a very good idea but this is SF we are talking about).

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2002-08-01 01:49am

TheDarkling wrote:Electric bill???? what are you talking about, theres no need for such crazy things

Oh yea, Communists don't have those.. Silly me.

Still, I'd prefer to drive, the wind in my hair, the sun on my face, a good tune blaring... And if Transporters are that prevelent, I got the road all to myself, baaaaaybe.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-08-01 01:51am

SirNitram: If there are a)Roads and B)Cars you may be in luck but I doubt either exist.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2002-08-01 01:52am

TheDarkling wrote:SirNitram: If there are a)Roads and B)Cars you may be in luck but I doubt either exist.

If Roman roads can survive 2000 years, American roads can survive threehundred.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2002-08-01 01:52am

TheDarkling wrote:SirNitram: If there are a)Roads and B)Cars you may be in luck but I doubt either exist.

I'd take a shuttlecraft

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