You have proven jack and shit.
You just don't know a) what exactly that oil is, and b) what exactly it is used for int he weapons.
Period.[/quote]
a). It's derived from tannot root. What sort of plants do you get super organic fuel from that can derived energy besides using chemical reactions? Unless you think organic fuel>am/m.
b). It's a fuel source in the weapon. It's been stated on the show. Just read the synansis yourself.
And about your assumed superiority of AM/M reactions: A Honor Harrington SD will put the NX1 to its grave without breaking sweat. And know what? They use fusion reactors...
You're comparing fusion with chemical reaction? What a moron! Yeah, if fusion reactor using a hundred times more fuel per unit time than an AM/M reactor, the fusion reactor can match the AM/M reactor. Try to match power with an AM/M reactor using chemical energy, you have to use billions of times more mass per second in a chemical reaction to equal to the power production of an antimatter-matter reaction.
Crossover_Maniac wrote:You're comparing fusion with chemical reaction? What a moron! Yeah, if fusion reactor using a hundred times more fuel per unit time than an AM/M reactor, the fusion reactor can match the AM/M reactor.
You are assuming zero operational energy costs, parasitic losses, energy conversion difficulties, etc. This kind of simplistic thinking is the reason why most people can't figure out why fusion reactors aren't already in use (the average person thinks they can't make fusion happen, rather than realizing they just can't make them produce more power than they require).
Try to match power with an AM/M reactor using chemical energy, you have to use billions of times more mass per second in a chemical reaction to equal to the power production of an antimatter-matter reaction.
Assuming 100% efficiency and zero operational costs for both.
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Crossover_Maniac wrote:And about your assumed superiority of AM/M reactions: A Honor Harrington SD will put the NX1 to its grave without breaking sweat. And know what? They use fusion reactors...
You're comparing fusion with chemical reaction? What a moron! Yeah, if fusion reactor using a hundred times more fuel per unit time than an AM/M reactor, the fusion reactor can match the AM/M reactor. Try to match power with an AM/M reactor using chemical energy, you have to use billions of times more mass per second in a chemical reaction to equal to the power production of an antimatter-matter reaction.[/quote]
No, I didn't compare fusion to neither chemical nor antimatter reaction.
I just pointed out a flaw in your reasoning, that AM/M reactions make a ship/tech/weapon superior, which you have implied multiple times already.
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Clearly this root is actually refined to produce...
Hypermatter
Come on. Disprove. Well?
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Chakan Oil: Made from tannot root, it fuels all Peacekeeper weapons. Aeryn promised to teach the people on Sykar how to make chakan oil so they could get free from Peacekeeper rule. Thank God It’s Friday, Again
That's right folks, the advanced spacefaring, interstellar military force known as the Peacekeepers uses the equivalent to Greek fire for their primary weapon. Unless they're pumping that crap out by the dozens of ton per shot, it wouldn't come close to matching even Enterprise NX-01's phase cannons.
That's hand weapons for you, and Farscape weapons are capable of disintegrating half of the torso of a certain powerful creature in one episode (which just regenerated itself, but had no special weaknesses and wasn't made of Play-doh). I think that NX-01's phase pistols are yet in the molecular disruption/NDF effect of the "later" shows.
You obviously don't know anything about Farscape, and haven't even watched the show. That's called playing the NAME GAME. Using exotic oil for power = throwing miniature molotov cocktails. NOT!
Crossover_Maniac wrote:You're comparing fusion with chemical reaction? What a moron! Yeah, if fusion reactor using a hundred times more fuel per unit time than an AM/M reactor, the fusion reactor can match the AM/M reactor.
You are assuming zero operational energy costs, parasitic losses, energy conversion difficulties, etc. This kind of simplistic thinking is the reason why most people can't figure out why fusion reactors aren't already in use (the average person thinks they can't make fusion happen, rather than realizing they just can't make them produce more power than they require).
Why are making reference to modern fusion reactors which have not been fully developed to the sci-fi reactors that are?
Try to match power with an AM/M reactor using chemical energy, you have to use billions of times more mass per second in a chemical reaction to equal to the power production of an antimatter-matter reaction.
Assuming 100% efficiency and zero operational costs for both.[/quote]
It's already established that the Starfleet can produce anti-matter efficiently to power interstellar vessels. Even if AM/M reactions are 0.01% efficent while chemical energy source is 100% efficent, AM/M reactions are still a million times more potent than a chemical reaction between an equal amount of matter to the AM/M reaction.
I've told you before, the oil is processed into hypermatter. Now bugger off.
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Crossover_Maniac wrote:You're comparing fusion with chemical reaction? What a moron! Yeah, if fusion reactor using a hundred times more fuel per unit time than an AM/M reactor, the fusion reactor can match the AM/M reactor.
You are assuming zero operational energy costs, parasitic losses, energy conversion difficulties, etc. This kind of simplistic thinking is the reason why most people can't figure out why fusion reactors aren't already in use (the average person thinks they can't make fusion happen, rather than realizing they just can't make them produce more power than they require).
Why are making reference to modern fusion reactors which have not been fully developed to the sci-fi reactors that are?
Try to match power with an AM/M reactor using chemical energy, you have to use billions of times more mass per second in a chemical reaction to equal to the power production of an antimatter-matter reaction.
Assuming 100% efficiency and zero operational costs for both.
It's already established that the Starfleet can produce anti-matter efficiently to power interstellar vessels. Even if AM/M reactions are 0.01% efficent while chemical energy source is 100% efficent, AM/M reactions are still a million times more potent than a chemical reaction between an equal amount of matter to the AM/M reaction.
Could you back up proof that it's a pure chemical reaction, and not, say, an obscure fuel for fusion? Or any of a dozen things. You are constructing arguments that make Dark Star look bright. 'haha natimattre rulz'
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Nitram, he can't back it up at all. He made a claim without thinking it through, and now he's just saying anything, anything at all, to avoid paying the consequences.
IG-88E wrote:Nitram, he can't back it up at all. He made a claim without thinking it through, and now he's just saying anything, anything at all, to avoid paying the consequences.
Like I said, just like Darkstar....
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SirNitram wrote:Could you back up proof that it's a pure chemical reaction, and not, say, an obscure fuel for fusion? Or any of a dozen things. You are constructing arguments that make Dark Star look bright. 'haha natimattre rulz'
Barring technobabble explanations OR magic (which is a possibly with the Farscape-verse), no plant can produce a substance that can produce the energy per mass that nuclear power can produce. As for being an obscure fuel of fusion, you can save yourself the trouble of havesting tannot roots and just distill heavy hydrogen from water or use a breeder reactor to transmute Li-6 into tritium than extracting deuterium from a plant. Of course if technobabble or magic is involved, the chakan oil may let ships travel faster than light and the Conservation of Mass and make whoever eat it grow to the size of a giant without collapsing under their own weight (sort of like Protoculture on "Robotech"). I'll just watch the rest of the Farscape episodes I've missed and see if technobabble is behind this.
SirNitram wrote:Could you back up proof that it's a pure chemical reaction, and not, say, an obscure fuel for fusion? Or any of a dozen things. You are constructing arguments that make Dark Star look bright. 'haha natimattre rulz'
Barring technobabble explanations OR magic (which is a possibly with the Farscape-verse), no plant can produce a substance that can produce the energy per mass that nuclear power can produce. As for being an obscure fuel of fusion, you can save yourself the trouble of havesting tannot roots and just distill heavy hydrogen from water or use a breeder reactor to transmute Li-6 into tritium than extracting deuterium from a plant. Of course if technobabble or magic is involved, the chakan oil may let ships travel faster than light and the Conservation of Mass and make whoever eat it grow to the size of a giant without collapsing under their own weight (sort of like Protoculture on "Robotech"). I'll just watch the rest of the Farscape episodes I've missed and see if technobabble is behind this.
Thank you for finally admitting you knew jack or shit and were leaping to conclusions. While Protoculture and the like are BS in reality, in sci-fi we must accept them as possible. If a Peacekeeper performs things beyond the scope of the NX, which I highly suspect, it will still win, no matter what you or others whine about types of power generation.
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SirNitram wrote:Thank you for finally admitting you knew jack or shit and were leaping to conclusions. While Protoculture and the like are BS in reality, in sci-fi we must accept them as possible. If a Peacekeeper performs things beyond the scope of the NX, which I highly suspect, it will still win, no matter what you or others whine about types of power generation.
Yeah, but the range still on the CC still suck. Even most of the fans of farscape admits a metra is only about one km, and the frag cannon's range is only 45 metras. And I'm renting Farscape from blockbusters at the end of final exams to see for myself....how powerful the CC's are.
The funny thing is if this was a ST ship that was using a chemical fuel to run their weapons, you wouldn't have been so forgiving. In fact, it would have chalked it up as more proof of SW>st. But because it was an error in judgment from another show, you excuse it as technobabble.
Crossover_Maniac wrote:The funny thing is if this was a ST ship that was using a chemical fuel to run their weapons, you wouldn't have been so forgiving. In fact, it would have chalked it up as more proof of SW>st. But because it was an error in judgment from another show, you excuse it as technobabble.
Thank you for your baseless ad hominem attack. Get the fuck out of here with your baseless accusations.
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Crossover_Maniac wrote:The funny thing is if this was a ST ship that was using a chemical fuel to run their weapons, you wouldn't have been so forgiving. In fact, it would have chalked it up as more proof of SW>st. But because it was an error in judgment from another show, you excuse it as technobabble.
If they do run on a chemical reaction then yes, it's technobabble or a dumb idea. But it still might be a more powerful tech.
SirNitram wrote:Thank you for finally admitting you knew jack or shit and were leaping to conclusions. While Protoculture and the like are BS in reality, in sci-fi we must accept them as possible. If a Peacekeeper performs things beyond the scope of the NX, which I highly suspect, it will still win, no matter what you or others whine about types of power generation.
Yeah, but the range still on the CC still suck. Even most of the fans of farscape admits a metra is only about one km, and the frag cannon's range is only 45 metras. And I'm renting Farscape from blockbusters at the end of final exams to see for myself....how powerful the CC's are.
Then they have a range of 45 klicks. Big deal. Most Trek combat takes place within this range, so?
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DATA: The warship is three hundred thousand kilometers from the Phoenix. It is opening fire. The Phoenix has taken a direct hit ... the Phoenix is beginning evasive maneuvers ... it has positioned itself outside the weapons range of the opposing ship ... the Phoenix has powered up with both phasers and photon torpedoes ... the Phoenix is firing photon torpedoes.
(little blips move toward other little blips on the screen, indicating the destruction of the Cardassian warship)
MACET: He has destroyed our warship ... the warship carried a crew of six hundred... the supply ship... fifty.
Crossover_Maniac wrote:The funny thing is if this was a ST ship that was using a chemical fuel to run their weapons, you wouldn't have been so forgiving. In fact, it would have chalked it up as more proof of SW>st. But because it was an error in judgment from another show, you excuse it as technobabble.
If they do run on a chemical reaction then yes, it's technobabble or a dumb idea. But it still might be a more powerful tech.
Well, at least someone agrees with me that the chakan oil is a brain bug.
Crossover_Maniac wrote:TNG Season 4, Ep# 86: "The Wounded"
(watching tactical display)
DATA: The warship is three hundred thousand kilometers from the Phoenix. It is opening fire. The Phoenix has taken a direct hit ... the Phoenix is beginning evasive maneuvers ... it has positioned itself outside the weapons range of the opposing ship ... the Phoenix has powered up with both phasers and photon torpedoes ... the Phoenix is firing photon torpedoes.
(little blips move toward other little blips on the screen, indicating the destruction of the Cardassian warship)
MACET: He has destroyed our warship ... the warship carried a crew of six hundred... the supply ship... fifty.
Congratulations, you have the reading comprehension of my cat. Now fuck off please.
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Crossover_Maniac wrote:Don't get pissy with me because I can back up my claims that Farscape weapons ranges pale in comparison to ST's.
WHO CARES ABOUT THE FUCKING RANGES, DICKHEAD?! IF YOU CAN'T PROVE THAT THE NX-01 CAN HURT THE CARRIER IN THE FIRST PLACE, WHAT HELP WILL RANGE BE?!
And how does THAT help you at all anyway?! That's a TNG quote! We're talking about a ship that sailed more than a century earlier! Do you honestly think you can compare the two?!!?
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