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Re: Physical Violence

Posted: 2002-12-08 10:17pm
by Kuja
Rob Wilson wrote:You haven't been in a fight? Congratulations you are a winner in the Game of Life. Anyone who has started a Fight or has not run away/talked their way out when the opportunity presented itself is a Loser. That's it basically.
Come back and say that the day you get surrounded by gang members who push you back into the fight when you try and get away.

Re: Physical Violence

Posted: 2002-12-08 10:22pm
by The Duchess of Zeon
IG-88E wrote:
Rob Wilson wrote:You haven't been in a fight? Congratulations you are a winner in the Game of Life. Anyone who has started a Fight or has not run away/talked their way out when the opportunity presented itself is a Loser. That's it basically.
Come back and say that the day you get surrounded by gang members who push you back into the fight when you try and get away.
Well, obviously there is a time for fighting.

Posted: 2002-12-08 10:23pm
by Kuja
Of course. It's when every other option fails. The only way to be a loser is when fighting's your FIRST option.

Re: Physical Violence

Posted: 2002-12-08 10:24pm
by Evil Sadistic Bastard
IG-88E wrote:
Rob Wilson wrote:You haven't been in a fight? Congratulations you are a winner in the Game of Life. Anyone who has started a Fight or has not run away/talked their way out when the opportunity presented itself is a Loser. That's it basically.
Come back and say that the day you get surrounded by gang members who push you back into the fight when you try and get away.
Don't you people understand that there is a time for peaceful reconciliation and a time for bloodshed and slaughter of the other party? Being surrounded by gangers doing what Iggy did or a bunch of other belligerents is a time for the second.

Re: Physical Violence

Posted: 2002-12-08 10:26pm
by Rob Wilson
IG-88E wrote:
Rob Wilson wrote:You haven't been in a fight? Congratulations you are a winner in the Game of Life. Anyone who has started a Fight or has not run away/talked their way out when the opportunity presented itself is a Loser. That's it basically.
Come back and say that the day you get surrounded by gang members who push you back into the fight when you try and get away.
Could you run away? Could you talk your way out? Did you start the fight? By the sounds of it - NO. So what's the problem with what i wrote? If the answer somehow was Yes, then you're a Loser. If you had to fight as there was no alternative then you still qualify as a winner.

Re: Physical Violence

Posted: 2002-12-08 10:27pm
by aerius
IG-88E wrote:
Rob Wilson wrote:You haven't been in a fight? Congratulations you are a winner in the Game of Life. Anyone who has started a Fight or has not run away/talked their way out when the opportunity presented itself is a Loser. That's it basically.
Come back and say that the day you get surrounded by gang members who push you back into the fight when you try and get away.
Emphasis on "when the opportunity presented itself". Sometimes it's not there, and sometimes it's not an option, as in the gang scenario you pointed out. I can honestly say that violence is the only choice when you're surrounded by a gang that's out for blood, there's no talking or walking away from that shit, you can only try to avoid getting into the situation in the first place or if that fails try to take as many of them out to create an exit.

Re: Physical Violence

Posted: 2002-12-08 10:27pm
by Kuja
Rob Wilson wrote:Could you run away? Could you talk your way out? Did you start the fight? By the sounds of it - NO. So what's the problem with what i wrote? If the answer somehow was Yes, then you're a Loser. If you had to fight as there was no alternative then you still qualify as a winner.
Then you should have clarified that, ne?

Posted: 2002-12-08 10:28pm
by Darth Wong
It was quite clear the first time around.

Posted: 2002-12-08 10:29pm
by Darth Wong
I don't know about you, Iggy, and I can't say. However, I have noted that a lot of the people who I've encountered who find themselves "forced" to fight have a funny habit of getting themselves into these situations. Why doesn't it happen to everyone?

Re: Physical Violence

Posted: 2002-12-08 10:34pm
by Rob Wilson
IG-88E wrote:
Rob Wilson wrote:Could you run away? Could you talk your way out? Did you start the fight? By the sounds of it - NO. So what's the problem with what i wrote? If the answer somehow was Yes, then you're a Loser. If you had to fight as there was no alternative then you still qualify as a winner.
Then you should have clarified that, ne?
I did. It was right there in my post, everyone else spotted it "when the opportunity presented itself".

If you missed it, no biggie as it's cleared up now.

Posted: 2002-12-08 10:34pm
by Kuja
Guess so. *shrug*

Posted: 2002-12-08 10:38pm
by Rob Wilson
Darth Wong wrote:I don't know about you, Iggy, and I can't say. However, I have noted that a lot of the people who I've encountered who find themselves "forced" to fight have a funny habit of getting themselves into these situations. Why doesn't it happen to everyone?
I appreciate the assist Mike, but Environment and chance are a big factor. You live in gang territory then there's always a chance that you're going to get in a sticky situation that you simply cannot control. Plus if a friend is in trouble and you go to help them and thn get stuck yourself...

If your going to tar Iggy with that brush you have to do me too as i doubt anyone here has been in as many physical confrontations as myself, and I wasn't always the wronged party.

yes that makes me a Loser, everyone. and probably the biggest one here. Accept and move on. I have.

Posted: 2002-12-08 10:41pm
by Darth Wong
Rob Wilson wrote:I appreciate the assist Mike, but Environment and chance are a big factor. You live in gang territory then there's always a chance that you're going to get in a sticky situation that you simply cannot control. Plus if a friend is in trouble and you go to help them and thn get stuck yourself...
True enough. I reiterate that I don't know enough about Iggy's particular situation to say. But it is still true that an awful lot of people who get into fights (particularly bar fights) have a habit of pretending they'd done nothing to instigate it after the fact.

Posted: 2002-12-08 10:42pm
by Kuja
Darth Wong wrote:I don't know about you, Iggy, and I can't say. However, I have noted that a lot of the people who I've encountered who find themselves "forced" to fight have a funny habit of getting themselves into these situations. Why doesn't it happen to everyone?
Mike, I'm assuming you want to a halfway decent high- and middle- school.

Sometimes in a bad school there's NOTHING, no matter how or what you try, you can do to avoid a fight. The punks just want it and there's no way t otalk them out of it. Running is only a temporary solution. I'll do everything in my power to avoid a fight, but when I'm backed into a corner with no other options, I'll trash whoever wants to get physical.

Posted: 2002-12-08 10:47pm
by Rob Wilson
Darth Wong wrote: But it is still true that an awful lot of people who get into fights (particularly bar fights) have a habit of pretending they'd done nothing to instigate it after the fact.
"honest guv'nor he headbutted my fist repeatedly. I didn't do nuffin'."
:D

Yeah, there's more than a few poor souls who always manage to get into fights, especially when drunk. I obviously mis-read the last part of your original statement (must be contagious :D )

Posted: 2002-12-08 10:48pm
by Ted
Rob, you're in the British Army, right?

Were you ever deployed to Northern Ireland?

Posted: 2002-12-08 10:49pm
by aerius
Darth Wong wrote:But it is still true that an awful lot of people who get into fights (particularly bar fights) have a habit of pretending they'd done nothing to instigate it after the fact.
There's people I know who go to seedy bars hoping to get involved in a bar fight. I can see how it might work to blow off stress or take out excessive aggression, but honestly, there's much better ways of going around it.

Posted: 2002-12-08 10:52pm
by Evil Sadistic Bastard
aerius wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:But it is still true that an awful lot of people who get into fights (particularly bar fights) have a habit of pretending they'd done nothing to instigate it after the fact.
There's people I know who go to seedy bars hoping to get involved in a bar fight. I can see how it might work to blow off stress or take out excessive aggression, but honestly, there's much better ways of going around it.
I recall Don Corleone saying something like this in The Godfather.

"There are people in this world who have the desire to get killed. You see them everywhere - these are the people who jump out of their cars at the slightest provocation, who go around bars looking for trouble, never paying attention to how many or how well armed their attackers may be."

Posted: 2002-12-08 10:53pm
by The Duchess of Zeon
aerius wrote:
There's people I know who go to seedy bars hoping to get involved in a bar fight. I can see how it might work to blow off stress or take out excessive aggression, but honestly, there's much better ways of going around it.
There's a difference between using violence to resolve problems and just getting drunk and throwing a few with your friends as a method of relaxation. Or so I've been assured by many people.

Posted: 2002-12-08 11:02pm
by aerius
The Duchess of Zeon wrote: There's a difference between using violence to resolve problems and just getting drunk and throwing a few with your friends as a method of relaxation. Or so I've been assured by many people.
That's what they tell me too. They say that they know what they're doing, and that no one really gets hurt too bad. I don't know about that, they're going out and getting into bar fights with complete strangers, and generous amounts of alcohol are involved. Sounds like a goatfuck to me, and it's a small miracle that no one's been killed or seriously maimed yet.

Posted: 2002-12-08 11:44pm
by Rob Wilson
Ted wrote:Rob, you're in the British Army, right?

Were you ever deployed to Northern Ireland?
Yes, me and every other soldier in the British Army at some point in their service life.

Posted: 2002-12-08 11:46pm
by Rob Wilson
aerius wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:But it is still true that an awful lot of people who get into fights (particularly bar fights) have a habit of pretending they'd done nothing to instigate it after the fact.
There's people I know who go to seedy bars hoping to get involved in a bar fight. I can see how it might work to blow off stress or take out excessive aggression, but honestly, there's much better ways of going around it.
Yeah, punchbags work fine and you rarely get arrested for hitting them. :D

Posted: 2002-12-08 11:47pm
by Kuja
aerius wrote:That's what they tell me too. They say that they know what they're doing, (they don't)and that no one really gets hurt too bad. (who goes to the hospital for broken bones and gashes, anyway?) I don't know about that, they're going out and getting into bar fights with complete strangers, and generous amounts of alcohol are involved. (not to mention the possibility of being beaten with a club) Sounds like a goatfuck to me, and it's a small miracle that no one's been killed or seriously maimed yet. no kidding)

Posted: 2002-12-09 12:00am
by Zaia
Next of Kin wrote:You've never been in a kat fight!?! :o
Nope, not ever. Everyone loves me. *bats eyelashes* :wink:

Posted: 2002-12-09 12:01am
by Darth Wong
Zaia wrote:
Next of Kin wrote:You've never been in a kat fight!?! :o
Nope, not ever. Everyone loves me. *bats eyelashes* :wink:
Besides, cat fights are not sexy if there's actual violence. We men like catfights to be just like they are in our dreams: a little bit of swearing and hair-pulling, followed by nakedness and lesbian sex.