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Lord Poe wrote:

Darth Servo wrote:Um, did I miss something? The clip showed why Lucas decided to edit Hayden into ROTJ but not how Anakin got the knowledge that Yoda and Obi-wan got from Qui-gon that brings them back as ghosts.

Oh, that. Hey, he's the chosen one, dammit!

I guess Vader lifted the information from Obi-wan's mind right before hacking him in ANH?

Lost Soal wrote:While I put in a dig at Lucas Film for that scene, the basic topic is that Anikan fell multiple km onto fast moving speeder and was completely unharmed, while Obi-Wan survives the fall which the Clone Troopers believed no-one could survive. Given that, its entirely possible that Windu survived his plunge.

Anakin and Obi-wan weren't in extreme pain from having their hand cut off moments before.

Darth Servo wrote:

Lost Soal wrote:While I put in a dig at Lucas Film for that scene, the basic topic is that Anikan fell multiple km onto fast moving speeder and was completely unharmed, while Obi-Wan survives the fall which the Clone Troopers believed no-one could survive. Given that, its entirely possible that Windu survived his plunge.

Anakin and Obi-wan weren't in extreme pain from having their hand cut off moments before.

Ignoring the fact I conceded his death since the novel apparently says he did, Obi-Wan had just had just been hit with a reasonably large explosion not 2 feet from where he was, I'd call that potentially painfull.

Obi-wan wasn't just fried by a Sith Lords Lightning attack.

He was dead before the Emperor tossed his corpse out the window

Solauren wrote:Obi-wan wasn't just fried by a Sith Lords Lightning attack.

He was dead before the Emperor tossed his corpse out the window

So Mace's scream was...after he died?

Lord Poe wrote:

DEATH wrote:2) There was no infinties label on it.

That entire book "Visionaries" is infinities. It was labeled as such before it came out, and continues to be. And then we have Lucas' comments specifically about Maul. Which, in contrast, we do NOT about Boba Fett.

Wait, you mean we never have Lucas say he intended for Boba Fett to die in ROTJ?

Solauren wrote:Obi-wan wasn't just fried by a Sith Lords Lightning attack.

He was dead before the Emperor tossed his corpse out the window

I thought the way people were interpreting the novelisation's description was that he "blacked out" (went unconscious) as he fell outside, and that (presumably) was why he died (that is, why unconscious, he couldn't pull an Anakin or Obi-Wan to survive the fall).

Luke can survive a fatal fall when his hand is cut off, being in extreme pain (both from his lost limb plus being beaten up by Vader's throw debris earlier and exhausted from the fight) and emotional anguish (even apparently having suicidal intentions at least at the start).


Anyway, it doesn't matter if Mace died and Lucas intends him dead, he can still bring him back. It's called "comic book death." Not that he will, but there's nothing stopping him except the will to do it. Plus if you want to clone Mace, a bit of blood will do (if he hit a bus, even easier! Just scrap a sample off of the bumper), but the easiest way is just to say his hand landed inside, don't worry about the splattered body below.

Damn, I forgot the hand.

Okay, screw my previous arguement. I concede.

Kurgan wrote:

Lord Poe wrote:

DEATH wrote:2) There was no infinties label on it.

That entire book "Visionaries" is infinities. It was labeled as such before it came out, and continues to be. And then we have Lucas' comments specifically about Maul. Which, in contrast, we do NOT about Boba Fett.

Wait, you mean we never have Lucas say he intended for Boba Fett to die in ROTJ?

IIRC Lucas did originally intend for Boba to die in the Sarlacc Pit. However, he allowed for the character to come back in the EU, and also stated in the director's commentary re-releases that he thought about adding a clip showing Boba coming out of the Pit but didn't feel that it fit with the overall scene.