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Wasn't the original C'baoth already close to skirting the border to the dark side and the clone just batshit crazy and taking a running leap across it?

So if Yoda was aware of the clone he might have considered him a fallen / Dark Jedi.

tezunegari wrote:Wasn't the original C'baoth already close to skirting the border to the dark side and the clone just batshit crazy and taking a running leap across it?

So if Yoda was aware of the clone he might have considered him a fallen / Dark Jedi.

I very much doubt Yoda was aware about him, but it goes to show that not everybody who was once a Jedi was known to him.

It is worth noting that Yoda spent many years hiding in a swamp. I do not think he had up to date information on the number of jedi around.

True. But the fact that he's a psychic who can see the future, sense things light years away, and communicate telepathically can't hurt.

The Romulan Republic wrote:True. But the fact that he's a psychic who can see the future, sense things light years away, and communicate telepathically can't hurt.

Yeah but I doubt he can reach the whole galaxy. In fact, his powers of recognition are heavily stunted by the time RTS rolls around - see the whole "dark side clouds" etc. I doubt it got any better when he went into exile on Dagobah. In fact, I doubt he could mask himself succesfully from the Emperor without severely limiting his abilities. (Didn't Dagobah also dampen or mask his presence? Not sure, but I think there was something about this in the old EU).

Yoda is not omniscient and less than totally forthcoming with what he does know. Luke has to press him hard to get conformation that Vader is his dad and he and Kenobi hide that Leia is his sister for as long as possible. Even if they knew about the survival of several quasi-Jedi, hiding that knowledge would be totally in character.

Thanas wrote: Yeah but I doubt he can reach the whole galaxy. In fact, his powers of recognition are heavily stunted by the time RTS rolls around - see the whole "dark side clouds" etc. I doubt it got any better when he went into exile on Dagobah. In fact, I doubt he could mask himself succesfully from the Emperor without severely limiting his abilities. (Didn't Dagobah also dampen or mask his presence? Not sure, but I think there was something about this in the old EU).

Supposedly Dagobah helped hide him because it was packed with lifeforms so that their combined presence in the Force helped mask his.

After that I think it was the remoteness and the lack of technology on Dagobah that combined to hide him.

Every damned inhabited planet in the galaxy (and those that aren't but have animals aplenty) is packed with lifeforms. I was under the impression that in the old EU Yoda hid on Dagobah because the massive Dark Side presence of the cave would drown out his Light Side signature.

In any case, the fact that any survivers were no longer associated with the Order, makes Yoda's statement true regardless of who survived.

So, finally got caught up and OMG AHSOKA SQUEEEEE

Also, the Rebels Recon has me feeling good. Pablo Hidalgo flat out says the Ghost crew will be leaving Lothal, and they showed lots of concept art of "Commander Tano and Phoenix Squad" which, in addition to increasing the scope and scale of the show (yay!) also gives hope for some Rebel Mooks to get taken out. Like the ones we already saw, who conveniently have face masks for maximum anonymity.

Thanas wrote:

The Romulan Republic wrote:The problem is that Yoda specifically says that Luke is the last Jedi and there's no evidence to the contrary.

However, Yoda also is not on top of things and he might just conclude because he hasn't heard anybody nobody exists still.

I mean, in the old EU we still had Callista.

Callista? Old EU had close to whole battalion of unaccounted for Jedi, even if we count only those who had official Old Republic Jedi title, twice that if you count new apprentices, sidekicks and washouts

It used to be grating, but yeah, you had to accept conclusion Yoda pretty much had to be ignorant of these.

Batman wrote:I was under the impression that in the old EU Yoda hid on Dagobah because the massive Dark Side presence of the cave would drown out his Light Side signature.

Yes, official version was that a very powerful Dark Jedi was killed there tainting the site.

Just wanted to say that ImperialWiki is still in business and would welcome any technical info coming out of Rebels.

http://stardestroyer.net/mrwong/wiki/in ... /Main_Page

The trailer for series 2 just popped up on the Star Wars Facebook page

It would appear the Empire Strikes Back.
Spoiler

A-wings and B-wings in BBY. Suck it old EU.

On a more serious note, this looks epic. Vader is going to make shit get real, Rebel mooks there to die, some character conflict for Kanan, REX IS BACK FUCK YES, more Ahsoka which is always great. Man I love this.

Oh, and one more thing: Spoiler

Apparently James Earl Jones is doing the Vader voice.

RogueIce wrote:REX IS BACK FUCK YES

I wonder what he thinks about Order 66.

Wish they kept Asoka out of it, on one end the nostalgia and desire to see a conclusion to her character is great...but they're easily going to box themselves in a corner storywise

Thing is Vader's locked into being Vader so any interaction between the two is going to fall flat and most points are going to be that Asoka must die at somepoint, had that been left to the void between series...we could have that tragedy cement Vader being Vader.

Rex and the other clones...what happened to their chips? Guess the lost episodes are being ignored since the Kaminoans made sure there'd be no more 'malfunctions'

...was that 3 AT-AT not being able to hit target larger than a barn?

FedRebel wrote:Wish they kept Asoka out of it, on one end the nostalgia and desire to see a conclusion to her character is great...but they're easily going to box themselves in a corner storywise

Thing is Vader's locked into being Vader so any interaction between the two is going to fall flat and most points are going to be that Asoka must die at somepoint, had that been left to the void between series...we could have that tragedy cement Vader being Vader.

Rex and the other clones...what happened to their chips? Guess the lost episodes are being ignored since the Kaminoans made sure there'd be no more 'malfunctions'

Ashoka doesn't have to die. Yes, their's Yoda's line about Luke being the last Jedi, but Yoda could be wrong or Ashoka could no longer be considered a Jedi at that point (remember that she left the Jedi Order).

The teaser gives a bit too much away about Rex. I would have left weather he was a friend or an enemy unclear at first.

On the plus side is Palpatine and Vader showing up. I appreciate how Vader seemed to be beating both Kanan and Ezra. Who wants to bet that scene leads to Ashoka showing up to save their asses by duelling Vader (albeit probably just long enough for them to escape- even Ashoka shouldn't be a match for Lord Vader).

if she takes on Vader to let the children live and escape, by default she dies; Vader knows who she is, even if she doesn't know it's Anakin. And Vader aint looking all soft and cuddly here. He rightfully was swatting the sainted Kanan and his wannabe around like insects, which he would

The Romulan Republic wrote:Ashoka doesn't have to die. Yes, their's Yoda's line about Luke being the last Jedi, but Yoda could be wrong or Ashoka could no longer be considered a Jedi at that point (remember that she left the Jedi Order).

The biggest problem with Ashoka, Ezra or Kanan surviving isn't Yoda's line. It's the fact that none of the Rebels make any mention of them to Luke. Which means that all three of them must be in a position where teaching Luke is obviously not going to happen. If they leave the Rebellion, Luke can still go to them and ask for help. So that just leaves them dying or defecting to the Empire.

But he makes no attempt to get any kind of training from them when, at the end of ANH, even Ezra is bound to know a few things that Luke doesn't. Just have a read through the thread on Heir to the Jedi. Luke has to figure out telekinesis on his own.

Burak Gazan wrote:if she takes on Vader to let the children live and escape, by default she dies; Vader knows who she is, even if she doesn't know it's Anakin. And Vader aint looking all soft and cuddly here. He rightfully was swatting the sainted Kanan and his wannabe around like insects, which he would

See, I don't know that Ashoka would die.

Ashoka is a very good duelist. She may not be a match for Vader, but she's good enough that I think she could hold him off for a minute and then escape, at least. She has a long history of surviving against opponents who should be out of her league- she survived duels with both Ventress and Grevious as a young Padawan. That said, I don't recall Ashoka ever duelling a Sith Lord.

She might die, and if they're going to have her die, fighting Vader be an epic way for it to happen. But their are alternatives.

bilateralrope wrote:

The Romulan Republic wrote:Ashoka doesn't have to die. Yes, their's Yoda's line about Luke being the last Jedi, but Yoda could be wrong or Ashoka could no longer be considered a Jedi at that point (remember that she left the Jedi Order).

The biggest problem with Ashoka, Ezra or Kanan surviving isn't Yoda's line. It's the fact that none of the Rebels make any mention of them to Luke. Which means that all three of them must be in a position where teaching Luke is obviously not going to happen. If they leave the Rebellion, Luke can still go to them and ask for help. So that just leaves them dying or defecting to the Empire.

But he makes no attempt to get any kind of training from them when, at the end of ANH, even Ezra is bound to know a few things that Luke doesn't. Just have a read through the thread on Heir to the Jedi. Luke has to figure out telekinesis on his own.

I very much doubt that Ashoka, Kanan, and Ezra are all going to die or defect. I doubt Rebels will be that dark.

One possibility would be for them to screw up or be framed in some way that makes the Rebellion unwilling to work with them. Or they could suffer some tragedy so great that they give up and quit the fight.

Edit: They shouldn't do the same thing for all of them. It would be repetitive. So maybe they'll use a different option for each character. Logically I might go with Ashoka dies, Ezra is corrupted (followed by either death or redemption followed by exile), and Kanan retires. But since I like Ashoka, I'd kind of rather do it differently.