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Saw it finally.
After avoiding everything I could remotely spoilerising for two years or so...

As with every SW film since ANH, I loved it and hated it all at the same time. Some more than others, but still...
There's just so much that's so very right that what's wrong stands out like a turd in a punch bowl. That the flaws are pretty serious doesn't help matters.

Anakin's being bestowed with the Darth title felt clumsy, rushed, disjointed. There was a good deal of this movie that flowed wonderfully, but that did not, and it was pivotal.

The declaration of the Empire was another bit that was jarring; *blammo* and Palpatine is His Majesty.
It would have worked much better if more time and the kind of subtlety that accompanied Palpatine's earlier manouverings played more of a role.
The Jedi staging a coup or no, a few short statements and the Senate cheers "The-Republic's-History-Hail-The-Empire" doesn't seem plausible.

Nice to know that everything I've ever learned about the Tantive IV was wrong. What in the hell is up with those lights around the docking ports and elsewhere? Reminds me of a SW style ship...

Anakin and Padme's love dialogue was painful, but that's a given.

Leia said her mother died when she was "very young", but she certainly didn't imply that she was only minutes old when she did...

Dune; a feature film, two mini-series, and it's only on Kashyyk that I finally see decent ornithopters.

Again, I loved it, but I hated it, too. ANH and TESB have not been demoted in my opinion.

Saw the movie only a few hours ago with my wife (and only because I received the tickets for free). I am not at all impressed, though I feel it did round out the prequels nicely (and in my mind will be the best of them).

Ok, Just came back from Seeing RotS and in my opinion it isn't that good. Better than TPM but worse than AotC.

There's lots and lots of Asskickery and eye vandy and explosions but the plot seems very poor and barely adequate to lace the fight scenes together. The fights aboard the Invisbile Hand, Obi Wans mission to fight Grevious, Yoda's journey to Kashyyk (sp?) what point did all of this have towards the plot? Nothing but Eye candy.

And talking of the fight scenes seriously the cheorography wasn't up to much. Or maybe it was the camera work. There's are only so many ways to do a lightsabre fight but the rotor blade hands of Grevious just didn't appeals. I felt very little involvemnt with the fights it was simply swing-swing-aaargh-swing. Light sabre fights are better when theres actually a dynamic between the characters, short scrap maybe a light or two thrown back and forth.

I did like the end of the Dooku fight, when he gets his hands cut-off. He collapses and looks to Palpatine, the look in his face when Play says Kill him!!! was so cool.

Grevious was just so much a let down compared to the clone war version what the hell is the point of armour if it just opens when some yanks at it?

Generally the whole thing felt stilted and jerky. Lord Vader slaughtering the temple was just tame. All the potential kickassery and they show all of three seconds of it. As a bloody crap hologram?

And I could barely tell the difference between Anakin and Evil Anakin, surely Hayden can emote more than that.

Darn this sounds so negative, even Palpy carving a bloody streak through those jedi masters was tame, and Again Yoda fighting him with a Sabre was bordering on the rediculous, although the scene of them fighting as the Chancellors podium rose in the empty senate was cool it was not enough to over lay the ludicrousness of the two most powerful most users in the galaxy jumping around screaming with lightsabres, The bit with them chucking around the platforms was more like it but still was overdone IMHO.

Well now for the slightly more positive slide. The last scenes between Anakin and Obi-Wan were more like it. Though it could have done with more of Kenobi trying to turn Anakin back, to give more credubillity to the RotJ line. See even the positive bits turn negative for me.

So bottom line: Pretty good but could be vastly vastly better.

Crazedwraith wrote: Yoda's journey to Kashyyk (sp?) what point did all of this have towards the plot? Nothing but Eye candy.

Maybe the Jedi saw them as valuable alllies in the future battle against the Empire?

And talking of the fight scenes seriously the cheorography wasn't up to much. Or maybe it was the camera work. There's are only so many ways to do a lightsabre fight but the rotor blade hands of Grevious just didn't appeals. I felt very little involvemnt with the fights it was simply swing-swing-aaargh-swing. Light sabre fights are better when theres actually a dynamic between the characters, short scrap maybe a light or two thrown back and forth.

If it is possible to have too many lightsaber fights in a single movie, ROTS accomplished it.

Grevious was just so much a let down compared to the clone war version what the hell is the point of armour if it just opens when some yanks at it?

If some JEDI yanks at it. With the telekinesis abilities of the Force, any battle with a Jedi/Sith involved is more than meets the eye.

Generally the whole thing felt stilted and jerky. Lord Vader slaughtering the temple was just tame. All the potential kickassery and they show all of three seconds of it. As a bloody crap hologram?

Lucas apparently didn't want to get an 'R' rating.

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Grevious was just so much a let down compared to the clone war version what the hell is the point of armour if it just opens when some yanks at it?


If some JEDI yanks at it. With the telekinesis abilities of the Force, any battle with a Jedi/Sith involved is more than meets the eye

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Not to mention the fact that the plate was blasted at point-blank range by Grievous' own blaster berore it was torn apart.

And as to your complaints about the Temple, you say you dislike the movie because it has too much eye candy and Asskickery, and yet you ask for more? Screwy values there.

Darth Servo wrote:

Crazedwraith wrote: Yoda's journey to Kashyyk (sp?) what point did all of this have towards the plot? Nothing but Eye candy.

Maybe the Jedi saw them as valuable alllies in the future battle against the Empire?

True enough but I meant the out of universe reason. Whta did it add to the plot. Zilch.

Generally the whole thing felt stilted and jerky. Lord Vader slaughtering the temple was just tame. All the potential kickassery and they show all of three seconds of it. As a bloody crap hologram?

Lucas apparently didn't want to get an 'R' rating.

I meant Vader tearing through the adult Jedi. Palpy's scene showed they could do it with out high ratings. The handling of the youngling scene was fine.

Pure Sabacc wrote:

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Grevious was just so much a let down compared to the clone war version what the hell is the point of armour if it just opens when some yanks at it?


If some JEDI yanks at it. With the telekinesis abilities of the Force, any battle with a Jedi/Sith involved is more than meets the eye

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Not to mention the fact that the plate was blasted at point-blank range by Grievous' own blaster berore it was torn apart.

And as to your complaints about the Temple, you say you dislike the movie because it has too much eye candy and Asskickery, and yet you ask for more? Screwy values there.

Anakin Tearing through the Jedi would have been decent for the plot, certinally more nessacary that the Wookie sceneces and would be more telling that he had become evil than killing Nemiodians.

Pure Sabacc wrote:Not to mention the fact that the plate was blasted at point-blank range by Grievous' own blaster berore it was torn apart.

I don't recall it being shot it was though hit sevelar times with a MagnaGuard staff

Lord Revan wrote:

Pure Sabacc wrote:Not to mention the fact that the plate was blasted at point-blank range by Grievous' own blaster berore it was torn apart.

I don't recall it being shot it was though hit sevelar times with a MagnaGuard staff

That happened too, but as I recall, when Obi is struggling with GG, he is able to bend the blaster down in his hand and it discharges into the chest plate.

Hits the car, actually.

Crazedwraith wrote:Grevious was just so much a let down compared to the clone war version what the hell is the point of armour if it just opens when some yanks at it?

What the hell is a point of a vest of Level IV kevlar/ceramic body armor when I can yank it off?

That's still ignoring the fact that it was struck several times by a MagnaGuard's staff, Mace Windu had telekinetically crushed his torso at the end of the Clone Wars series, and that Obi-Wan might have been augmenting his strength with the Force..

Cykeisme wrote:

Crazedwraith wrote:Grevious was just so much a let down compared to the clone war version what the hell is the point of armour if it just opens when some yanks at it?

What the hell is a point of a vest of Level IV kevlar/ceramic body armor when I can yank it off?

How commonly to people have they're bullet proof jackets yanked off? What with the staps and zip and all, I hardly think its likely.

It should remembered that it was not a clonetrooper, but Jedi Master that yanked at Grievous armor (and it said in novel that he used the Force to do so)

Fine, forget it.


Some more of my critisms of RotS.

• Artoo, is an astromech why the hell can beat up Super Battle droids?
• Could the Tantive IV look any less like the original?
• Venators in Imperial White look plastic and half done.
• Ok, so you spent a while making a guy up to look Tarkin ish then have him in a final scene for three secondsin the back ground.
• Why does the republic only have one class of ship at a time? In AotC of the clones it was all Acclaimators, In RotS all Venators. Would the universe implode if they were in the sane scene?
• 10MJ Clone rifles, barely singing Aayla's Back. Where was the smoke, the burnt craters?
• In the Windu death scene, what the hell was palpy doing tossing Force lightening around, frying a Jedi master in front of Anakin shouldn't endear him to you at all.

Crazedwraith wrote:Artoo, is an astromech why the hell can beat up Super Battle droids?

My only guess is that some of the modifications Anakin gave him included the ability to defend himself against battle droids.

Could the Tantive IV look any less like the original?

One of my gripes as well, but can be explained as a refit between RotS and ANH.

Venators in Imperial White look plastic and half done.

I don't remember them looking that way, though I'd have to see it again. It could be because we're used to seeing them in warm livery.

Ok, so you spent a while making a guy up to look Tarkin ish then have him in a final scene for three secondsin the back ground.

Agreed. He should've been given a couple lines, at least.

Why does the republic only have one class of ship at a time? In AotC of the clones it was all Acclaimators, In RotS all Venators. Would the universe implode if they were in the sane scene?

Acclamators would've been fine if seen in the Coruscant docks or on Kashyyyk, but they would've been out of place in the opening battle.

10MJ Clone rifles, barely singing Aayla's Back. Where was the smoke, the burnt craters?

She used the Force to absorb the hits?

In the Windu death scene, what the hell was palpy doing tossing Force lightening around, frying a Jedi master in front of Anakin shouldn't endear him to you at all.

Not unless that Jedi had been treating you like shit since you joined the order, and was about to kill the only man who could save your wife.

[quote="Firefox"

Why does the republic only have one class of ship at a time? In AotC of the clones it was all Acclaimators, In RotS all Venators. Would the universe implode if they were in the sane scene?

Acclamators would've been fine if seen in the Coruscant docks or on Kashyyyk, but they would've been out of place in the opening battle.[/quote] It was a desperate last ditch pull out all the stops action to try and retake the chancellor why the republic should be sendinf every vessle they have, troop transport or no.

10MJ Clone rifles, barely singing Aayla's Back. Where was the smoke, the burnt craters?

She used the Force to absorb the hits?

Maybe for the first one, but when they were pooring overkill shot indo her, she'd be in too much pain to absorb them

In the Windu death scene, what the hell was palpy doing tossing Force lightening around, frying a Jedi master in front of Anakin shouldn't endear him to you at all.

Not unless that Jedi had been treating you like shit since you joined the order, and was about to kill the only man who could save your wife.

A good point, Windu wasn't going to Kill him before the whole force lightening lark but it still didn't seem a very effective method electrocuting yourself. Surely a few well chosen comments from our master manipulator here could have brought about the same.

Crazedwraith wrote:Artoo, is an astromech why the hell can beat up Super Battle droids?

Because he's a Bad Ass. But don't forget, he pays for it (gets thrown into a wall and knocked to the ground a moment later).

Venators in Imperial White look plastic and half done.

I disagree.

Ok, so you spent a while making a guy up to look Tarkin ish then have him in a final scene for three secondsin the back ground.

What else should he do? The film is wrapping up by that point, a longer scene would just be an annoying delay. Besides, there's only so far you can take imitation.

Why does the republic only have one class of ship at a time? In AotC of the clones it was all Acclaimators, In RotS all Venators. Would the universe implode if they were in the sane scene?

No argument here.

10MJ Clone rifles, barely singing Aayla's Back. Where was the smoke, the burnt craters?

I reiterate my theory that Aayla was talented in Force Absorption.

In the Windu death scene, what the hell was palpy doing tossing Force lightening around, frying a Jedi master in front of Anakin shouldn't endear him to you at all.

Anakin weight the lives of every single Jedi in the galaxy against that of Padme and found the Jedi wanting. As long as Palpatine promised him Padme's life, Anakin would ultimately yield to him.

Finally got off my ass saw it last night. My only big complaint was that many parts of the movie went by too fast to have that big an emotional impact. I was expecting to see more of the space battle at the beginning, Count Dooku, the battle on Kashyyk, General Grievous, and the Jedi Purge, but the movie had this feel to it that made it seem like they were trying to cram in a plot that would have flowed much better if the movie was 30-60 minutes longer. That aside, there were several scenes I liked.

-The scene with Anakin and Palpatine at the opera had something in it that clicked with me. Must have been the pacing and dialogue, it seemed so natural.
-Mace Windu's death. I was expecting it to happen later in the movie, but seeing Palpatine's face deform from the force lightning was a surprisingly powerful moment.
-Mustafar from Padme's arrival to the end of the lightsaber battle. Probably the most suspenseful scene in the Prequel Trilogy.
-Anakin getting the Vader suit put on him, although I feel that there were several aspects of the scene that could have been done better. I can't put my finger on it, but it seemed like it didn't have the emotional punch I thought it could have had.
-The final scene on Tattooine. I was expecting some dialogue, and after seeing it, I can say it didn't need any to move me.

Overall, a very good movie (I'd give it an 8.5 out of 10), and something I'd want to see again.

I saw it on the Opening Sunday, but didn't sort it out until now. Overall, I place it as third in the ranking of Star Wars, below ANH but over RoTJ.

First things first- awesome eye candy. Purely delicious at every moment.

-The dialogue, while still a bit shaky, was far, far better than that of any of the other prequels.

- I thought it definitely nneded an extra 30-40 minutes to it. The Obi-Wan/Grievous fight was too rushed, and more time could have been spent on Kashyyyk.

- Like others have said, the last hour is amazing. From Order 66 to the final battle, with Anaking screaming pathetically at Obi-Wan- awesome. Really quite kewl.

Crazedwraith wrote: [*] 10MJ Clone rifles, barely singing Aayla's Back. Where was the smoke, the burnt craters?

Don't be absurd. Why would they be using a maximum power, wall cratering shot against a person?

Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba wrote:- I thought it definitely nneded an extra 30-40 minutes to it. The Obi-Wan/Grievous fight was too rushed, and more time could have been spent on Kashyyyk.

That would make it approximately three hours long, you know?

Vympel wrote:

Crazedwraith wrote: [*] 10MJ Clone rifles, barely singing Aayla's Back. Where was the smoke, the burnt craters?

Don't be absurd. Why would they be using a maximum power, wall cratering shot against a person?

To make sure she's dead? They didn't seem to find firing a dozen odd shots into her back when she was already down. So Overkill didn't seem to be an issue for them.

You wouldn't want to fire full power against Jedi in case they managed to deflect the bolt back at you, especially if you are wearing armour that gives you a chance of survivng a deflected bolt. Just open up at her and keep unloading the gun until she's way past dead.

Crazedwraith wrote:

Vympel wrote:

Crazedwraith wrote: [*] 10MJ Clone rifles, barely singing Aayla's Back. Where was the smoke, the burnt craters?

Don't be absurd. Why would they be using a maximum power, wall cratering shot against a person?

To make sure she's dead? They didn't seem to find firing a dozen odd shots into her back when she was already down. So Overkill didn't seem to be an issue for them.

positive ID (I know that the trooper saw it was herm but her death official you'd need a body that in a shape that it can be IDed (full power shot would have probaly burned her body a la Grievous)

Lord Revan wrote:

Crazedwraith wrote:

Vympel wrote: Don't be absurd. Why would they be using a maximum power, wall cratering shot against a person?

To make sure she's dead? They didn't seem to find firing a dozen odd shots into her back when she was already down. So Overkill didn't seem to be an issue for them.

positive ID (I know that the trooper saw it was herm but her death official you'd need a body that in a shape that it can be IDed (full power shot would have probaly burned her body a la Grievous)

DNA taken from the remains can prove it. Besides they didn't seem to to that for the Jedi In that starfighter, or the One riding the Juggernaut that blown up. And if Cody blasting Obi-Wan hadn't missed then there wouldn't have been a body.

Went a second time.

I noticed that when Vader snaps open the lightsaber to kill the younglings, they give it a much more meaty bass sound. That was really cool.