More Trektardism

[Peptuck]

Apparently, he doesn't like the idea that the Dominion war showed us what the Federation's wartime capability really is. Something trektards have an immense problem with is coming to grips with the fact that if they didn't use it during the war with the Dominion, why would they use it in a war witht he Empire?

These fucktards don't see any problem with the idea of mass deployment of Genesis devices fro crying out loud.

Turnabout is fair play. If the Feds can field an entire arsenal of Genesis devices, the Empire can field battlefleets of nothing but Sun Crushers, with thousands of Galaxy Guns backing them up.

[Darth Ruinus]

Apparently, he doesn't like the idea that the Dominion war showed us what the Federation's wartime capability really is. Something trektards have an immense problem with is coming to grips with the fact that if they didn't use it during the war with the Dominion, why would they use it in a war witht he Empire?

These fucktards don't see any problem with the idea of mass deployment of Genesis devices fro crying out loud.

Turnabout is fair play. If the Feds can field an entire arsenal of Genesis devices, the Empire can field battlefleets of nothing but Sun Crushers, with thousands of Galaxy Guns backing them up.

And Centerpoint Stations to smash planets and stars from afar. Or Thought Bombs. And full Dark Trooper armies. Armed with Lightsabers.

[Peptuck]

Hypocritical Trektard: No, wait, you can't do that! Only Trek is allowed to mass produce lost, unused-again wonders of destructive technology!

[Darwin]

[Darth Servo]

Hey, Spock actually posted an "argument" (sort-of):

[quote"J-MSCG-Spock"]This map of the galaxy was used by Professor Galen as a visual aid in explaining his plans to Captain Picard. Galen intended to hitch-hike for between three months and a year, covering a staggered route which may be scaled (from a ~100,000 light year diameter galaxy) as 40,000-50,000 light years. Thus, Professor Galen intends to average 160,000-200,000 c with no ship of his own. A Federation starship with the appropriate diplomatic clearances can cover the same trip in "a matter of weeks." A 2-4 week trip by the Enterprise suggests an average sustained speed of 540,000-1,300,000c.[/quote]
Here is the map he is talking about:



Here are other perhaps clearer pictures:

map 1
map 2
map 3

My first reaction was "And we should assume the map is to scale because...???"

Second, does Galen actually point to different points all over the place on there, in accordance with Spock's argument?

[Darth Servo]

Damn it, would someone kindly fix my quote tag?

[Lord Poe]

Hey, Spock actually posted an "argument" (sort-of):

[quote"J-MSCG-Spock"]This map of the galaxy was used by Professor Galen-----

BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP

Sorry; rest of the quote was interrupted by a Taco Bell fart.

Wow, what staggering speed! But then we bring up Voyager's 70+ year trip back to the Alpha Quadrant...

But then, Trektards blubber, "B-but Voyager wuz dammiged!"

You can counter with, "Then why couldn't Starfleet send undamaged starships to Voyager with spare parts? Or, why couldn't the Enterprise D go back to where it came from when Q tossed it into the DQ?

Not much you can do, but once again, fart in their general direction.

[Darth Servo]

Sorry; rest of the quote was interrupted by a Taco Bell fart.

Wow, what staggering speed! But then we bring up Voyager's 70+ year trip back to the Alpha Quadrant...

But then, Trektards blubber, "B-but Voyager wuz dammiged!"

You can counter with, "Then why couldn't Starfleet send undamaged starships to Voyager with spare parts? Or, why couldn't the Enterprise D go back to where it came from when Q tossed it into the DQ?

Oh no, Spock's excuse is that maintaining those speeds requires frequent pit-stops to fill up the gas tank.

[Batman]

Curious how we never see those comparatively awesome speeds actually displayed, or how every time they actually bother to quantify their Warp speeds, it's firmly in the 4 to 5 figure c range or below...
If Trek ships are that fast how come that in 'Where no one has gone before' Data decreed it would take them centuries to cover a piddlin' 2.7 million light years at maximum Warp?

[Lord Poe]

Oh no, Spock's excuse is that maintaining those speeds requires frequent pit-stops to fill up the gas tank.

All that storage space, and they can't carry spare fuel for such a trip?

[Darth Servo]

If Trek ships are that fast how come that in 'Where no one has gone before' Data decreed it would take them centuries to cover a piddlin' 2.7 million light years at maximum Warp?

Because they have to stop and fill up the tank every week, dag-nab-it

[Batman]

If Trek ships are that fast how come that in 'Where no one has gone before' Data decreed it would take them centuries to cover a piddlin' 2.7 million light years at maximum Warp?

Because they have to stop and fill up the tank every week, dag-nab-it

In intergalactic space. Where there is, essentially, nothing.
Not to mention that if you make pit stops every couple thousand light years to top off your tanks from nonexistent fuel depots that isn't exactly maximum Warp anymore...

[Ritterin Sophia]

Why can't they just hit maximum warp and let the fuel run out, it's not like you need an engine or fuel to maintain speed in space, right?

[Darth Servo]

Why can't they just hit maximum warp and let the fuel run out, it's not like you need an engine or fuel to maintain speed in space, right?

According to Spock-tard, its maintaining the warp field that requires the large amounts of fuel and employes a stolen concept fallacy, referencing the E-D moving the moon around in Deja-Q.

[TC Pilot]

What do you expect from this guy? He's also claiming Padme was a leading founder of the Rebel Alliance and that Alderaan was a prominent world in support of it between the Battles of Yavin and Endor.

[Batman]

In all fairness in Trek it DOES apparently require a constant energy input to maintain a Warp field and ships DO apparently drop to sublight speeds if the field breaks down.

[CaptJodan]

Considering the resources Starfleet developed and deployed to try and get Voyager home, try and get communications established with Voyager, etc, it was clear they were willing to spend a decent chunk of (apparently nonexistent) change to get Voyager home. Modifying a Galaxy class starship and emptying it of everything save the bare necessities and perhaps a small crew, and storage for fuel should be more than adaquate to help Voyager out.

Besides, Janway says in the second part of the first episode that it would take 75 years AT MAXIMUM WARP to reach home. She didn't say "maximum sustainable warp". She's there to say "Shit, it's going to take a long time to get home...oh look, a space fart to investigate!"

Spock is just dilusional. Put him in a padded room and be done with it.

[Darth Ruinus]

What do you expect from this guy? He's also claiming Padme was a leading founder of the Rebel Alliance and that Alderaan was a prominent world in support of it between the Battles of Yavin and Endor.

Wait, wasnt she? It seemed that way from the deleted scenes.....
Please clarify?

[Vympel]

Padme participated in preliminary meetings. She was long dead before the Rebel Alliance formed in any sort of real sense.

[Darth Ruinus]

Padme participated in preliminary meetings. She was long dead before the Rebel Alliance formed in any sort of real sense.

Ah, this makes sense, thank you for answering my question.

[Peptuck]

Oh no, Spock's excuse is that maintaining those speeds requires frequent pit-stops to fill up the gas tank.

Which still amounts to the same problem.

At the speed a B-52 takes to fly, it could cross the Pacific Ocean, drop its bombs on Japan, and fly back to a nice safe base in California in a few days.

So, why did we spend four fucking years taking every fucking island in the Pacific Ocean?

Aircraft flight range, which is limited by fuel concerns!

It doesn't matter if it takes that long to get where you're going because you need to refuel or because of how fast your vehicle goes, it still limits how fast you get there and whether or not you can get there.

[TC Pilot]

So, why did we spend four fucking years taking every fucking island in the Pacific Ocean?

Because you can't transport an invasion army across an entire ocean through enemy-held waters?

Bad example, but your point stands.

[Peptuck]

So, why did we spend four fucking years taking every fucking island in the Pacific Ocean?

Because you can't transport an invasion army across an entire ocean through enemy-held waters?

Bad example, but your point stands.

Well, yeah, that too. But they still needed carriers to get the bombers into range and islands to serve as airbases and logistical support.

Its late, I just got off work. Brain frazzled. :S

[Connor MacLeod]

You notice, on oen hand, Spock keeps insisting that SW (or other universes) must be held to a rigidly defined hierarchy of analysis where unless everything is laid out in excruciating detail it cannot be considered true (and in alot of cases, if it has the slightest wiggle room, its totally useless - cf rececnt DS novel quotes).

Whereas when it comes to Trek, you can be perfectly liberal with opinion and interpretation and theories - the slightest inconsistency is magically "explained away" without problem.

This just goes to show you the bizarre mindset and approach of these people when it comes to vs analysis. Which I find, personally speaking, frightening

[Kane Starkiller]

JMSpock wouldn't know consistency and honesty if it bit him on the ass.

In "Masks," a comet we may estimate as several kilometers across is flashboiled away by phasers at 10% of maximum power. The comet's material is evaporated and heated to an incandescent yellow-orange (i.e., 4000-5000 kelvins). If the comet contained roughly 100-500 kg/m3 of ice and 5 kilometers across, with the remainder being negligible substances, we could estimate the energy in vaporizing the ice of the comet as being roughly 16-84 gigatons, applied in a very short order. A short maximum power burst is therefore likely to exceed a gigaton.

I would posit that, in any universe with shared physics, the principles that cause phasers and disruptors to make objects outright vanish are the same that cause portions of Alderaan and the Liberty to phase out of existence. We may examine the visual effects in painstaking detail, or we may rely upon the novelization:

This reactor core was capable of providing enough power for all the systems onboard the battlestation, and most notably the main weapon, a device of unknown but complex operation capable of blowing up a planet. This suggests a high if difficult to quantify level of power consumption and generation.

Let us disregard the factual inaccuracy of individual quotes and merely note the self-contradictory statements. He claims that we can calculate firepower for phasers based on conventional calculations, he claims that superlaser effect is similar to phasers and yet he states that the firepower for superlaser cannot be calculated EVEN THOUGH HE DID JUST THAT FOR PHASERS.