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Norseman wrote:Could someone please describe how the Freedom Conference is laid out? I mean is it a closed conference for specially invited parties, or is it open to any announced guests? How many reporters are there? Are there any big public dinners planned? In short what's going on down there?

The idea for the conference is that any non communist nation can attend and that it is mostly open to the public. Statements made so far would be followed by the press, etc. Committee meetings are closed in order to facilitate negotiations and allow some diplomacy behind closed doors.

Security is very tight though. Only background checked members of the public and press are allowed into the conference hall, ostensibly to prevent assassinations, but it also prevents embarrassing questions from socialist reporters. Most local prominent "communist sympathizers" (trade unionists, etc.) have either been imprisoned when charges could be drawn up (though will likely be released when they fall through, conveniently after the conference is over) or placed under surveillance.

Sorry for how long this reply took. I've been away from my computer for awhile.

Edit: I also finally got my orbat and build queues sorted out properly, including quarter two production.

So there's no way the USSR might learn of Beowulf's rejection of Chicherin's note? *wipes tear* But, we are patient.

Stas Bush wrote:So there's no way the USSR might learn of Beowulf's rejection of Chicherin's note? *wipes tear* But, we are patient.

I think he said the statements would still be made public. So you'll learn via the international wire.

Siberia is 77% of Russia. What's the amount in the Far East (Let's be nice, and say Trans-Baikal)? A million? Siberia is, after all, everything east of the Urals to the Pacific watershed.

It seems I've given birth to a monster; all the reactionaries are now coming out of the woodwork at the Freedom Conference.

Who am I kidding, with a name like the Freedom Conference of course the reactionaries are going to come out to play .

Pretty much, and this will have negative effects on the Conference's PR, so to speak. A number of nations that might have been amendable to a pact to protect from Communist subversion will be likely to see the Conference as tainted due to the harsh reactionaries and anti-Semites and such.

Beowulf wrote:Siberia is 77% of Russia. What's the amount in the Far East (Let's be nice, and say Trans-Baikal)? A million? Siberia is, after all, everything east of the Urals to the Pacific watershed.

No, Siberia is not everything "east of the Urals" to the Pacific, at least not in the USSR/Russian Empire administrative region sense as of 1920s.

Sibirskiy krai - everything East from Omsk. IRL population, 1926: 8 687 939

Far East region. IRL population, 1926: 1 881 351

There's also 491 236 IRL in the Buryat-Mongol ASSR (right in the spot under the Baikal) - in this reality it would clearly be over 1 million, and in the Yakutsk region/ASSR around 500 000 also IRL. In this reality, a million is likewise well warranted.

So overall, there's enough men to support my ventures.

If we include the everything "East from the Urals", that would include the obsolete (1923-1934 existing) Ural region, which starts right behind the Urals and gives another 6 786 339 men. Probably around 10 000 000 without a Civil War and corresponding internal migration etc.


And frankly, Beowulf, you just by fiat ordered the existence of the equivalent of the Maginot line in Manchuria? I don't think that "5000 fortifications" is going to sit well with the mods.

Damn, just two weeks and I have to cue Holst "Mars" already?

I'll converse with Beo on his forts later. Though you shouldn't be too shocked that Manchuria would highly fortify its Soviet border, Stas, and it's had 20 years or so to do it.

Steve wrote:Why wouldn't they? Even without a Pacific port America would probably be doing a lot of business in China, and Manchuria is next door.

Weell. Manchuria also had a war with Cascadia and meddled with Japan over the Ryukyus. That could cause interesting complications...

Steve wrote:Damn, just two weeks and I have to cue Holst "Mars" already?

I'll converse with Beo on his forts later. Though you shouldn't be too shocked that Manchuria would highly fortify its Soviet border, Stas, and it's had 20 years or so to do it.

How much did Japan fortify theirs?

Steve wrote:Pretty much, and this will have negative effects on the Conference's PR, so to speak. A number of nations that might have been amendable to a pact to protect from Communist subversion will be likely to see the Conference as tainted due to the harsh reactionaries and anti-Semites and such.

Haha! A crazy German-Mongolian stirs international unrest! Take that, Freedom!

Although, I'm honestly curious as to what sort of traction Baron Ungern von Sternberg is gaining among the people of the Conference and people reading his inflammatory comments.

Ok this is the place for shameless marketing.

Cisplatina has 10 slips over 25,000 tons (4 55,000 ton and 6 40,000 ton). It also has air and land technology 4. We are willing to sell everything from battleships to aircraft and small arms to anyone so interested as long as he can pay and we don't consider him a threat to Cisplatina.

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I think that the Freedom Conference is filled with whackadoodles from Ungern-Sternberg, to the Cascadian guy, to that Swiss guy, I mean all we lack is Ayn Rand popping up to scream about "No Compromise With Evil."

Kelvin was intentionally sent by Halling to cause a ruckus. Halling is... bitter about losing to the Liberals, you see, and on his way out he intentionally attempted to give my avatar some problems to deal with in the hope that the Conservatives would get openings to attack the new administration in the media.

You know I'm playing with the idea of having a Brazilian Government in Exile, e.g. the Libertarians who managed to run away, they even hold a piece of Brazilian land! That is this island. They also claim to be the real Brazilian government and try to get other countries to support their return.

So which of you would still recognise the exile government?

Norseman wrote:You know I'm playing with the idea of having a Brazilian Government in Exile, e.g. the Libertarians who managed to run away, they even hold a piece of Brazilian land! That is this island. They also claim to be the real Brazilian government and try to get other countries to support their return.

So which of you would still recognise the exile government?

I might, depending on their ideals. If by Libertarian you mean "believes in health care and fair taxes," the Simonist Party would probably have put some very heavy pressure on the French government to support them.

Master_Baerne wrote:

Norseman wrote:You know I'm playing with the idea of having a Brazilian Government in Exile, e.g. the Libertarians who managed to run away, they even hold a piece of Brazilian land! That is this island. They also claim to be the real Brazilian government and try to get other countries to support their return.

So which of you would still recognise the exile government?

I might, depending on their ideals. If by Libertarian you mean "believes in health care and fair taxes," the Simonist Party would probably have put some very heavy pressure on the French government to support them.

*snickers*

Not exactly watch that video then you'll see one of the more reasonable Libertarians. If you want to see what the *un* reasonable ones read say the American Lenin or anything by L. Neil Smith.

EDIT: Their explanation of why the Communist Revolution occured? "There was too much government interference in the economy, in fact I'd say too much government interference *period*"

Their reaction to the first uprisings? "What will they rebell against? Freedom? You see in our country there is no vast government monolith to rebell against, thus the system is very resilient."

How did they try to fight the enemy? "Unlike your country our military outsources many of its functions to private contractors, who win their contracts by way of competitive bids. In short the magic of the Free Market supplies our military needs as well as any other." (Though eventually they did begin to use their regular military)

Ah, they're definitely not getting French support, then. We're a very socialist state, and the government has a hand in nearly everything.

Master_Baerne wrote:Ah, they're definitely not getting French support, then. We're a very socialist state, and the government has a hand in nearly everything.

Have I mentioned how Cisplatina is militantly liberal and had Saint Simonists place very considerable influence on its development? Methinks that should imply some short of connection and friendly ties with the 3rd republic.

Lascaris wrote:

Master_Baerne wrote:Ah, they're definitely not getting French support, then. We're a very socialist state, and the government has a hand in nearly everything.

Have I mentioned how Cisplatina is militantly liberal and had Saint Simonists place very considerable influence on its development? Methinks that should imply some short of connection and friendly ties with the 3rd republic.

That it does, that it does... If you've got a specific idea, toss me a PM.

Minor nitpick; Beo has Thompsons?

A bit early for those, aren't we?

Ryan Thunder wrote:Minor nitpick; we have SMGs? I thought those weren't around until the 30s...

There should be SMGs around. Tommy Guns entered production in the early 20s.

Lonestar wrote:

Ryan Thunder wrote:Minor nitpick; we have SMGs? I thought those weren't around until the 30s...

There should be SMGs around. Tommy Guns entered production in the early 20s.

Sorry, I should've looked it up first.

There should also be plenty of MP18s floating around alongside the Thompsons. Hell, there are even quite a few Mauser M712 Schnellfeuers in the SAU and Yishuv armories; technically, the Schnellfeuer didn't actually enter production until 1932 (some Spanish gunmakers made their own full-auto C96s as early as 1927-1928), but whatever.

Shinn Langley Soryu wrote:There should also be plenty of MP18s floating around alongside the Thompsons. Hell, there are even quite a few Mauser M712 Schnellfeuers in the SAU and Yishuv armories; technically, the Schnellfeuer didn't actually enter production until 1932 (some Spanish gunmakers made their own full-auto C96s as early as 1927-1928), but whatever.

We have analog-MP18s called....MP17s.

(designed for internal security forces, initially, then spread out to the border conflicts)