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bilateralrope wrote:I wonder what he thinks about Order 66.

FedRebel wrote:Rex and the other clones...what happened to their chips? Guess the lost episodes are being ignored since the Kaminoans made sure there'd be no more 'malfunctions'

Who says he didn't march into the Temple alongside Anakin? He was pretty damn loyal to him, after all.

IIRC they said the Empire kind of just tossed them to the wayside anyway. So who knows what went through his mind and how he came to the point he was at. For all we know, he wasn't even against the Empire when they first meet; he was being loyal to Ahsoka, which is absolutely in character with him (and Ahsoka, being ex-Jedi well before Order 66, wouldn't be 'implicated' in the "Jedi plot" even assuming he bought it at the time). But since he linked up with the Rebels, well, the Empire went after him and there you go.

For all we know he was perfectly loyal to Anakin. But then Anakin "died" so he lost that, and then the Empire left him and his brothers to themselves anyway as they aged out, which would neatly explain his bitterness toward stormtroopers. Of course this is just speculation, we'll have to see how it goes.

I can't imagine they won't address Order 66 and whether he and his two buddies were a part of it, though.

I'd be astonished if Vader killed Ahsoka. She wasn't a Jedi yet and she was genuinely someone he cared about. He would want her to continue their prior relationship, so to speak -- as his apprentice when he replaces Palpatine as Master and Dark Lord of the Sith. He doesn't know his children are alive, after all, but he desperately wanted some kind of connection with someone, and Ahsoka is the first person he could conceivably have it with. It is, of course, the twisted kind of connection he is capable of having as a Dark Lord of Sith. But I would expect to see aggressive, sustained efforts to turn her to the dark side if he found her. Watch for her to instead die in some twisted plot by Palpatine to bind Vader closer to him.

FedRebel wrote:Rex and the other clones...what happened to their chips? Guess the lost episodes are being ignored since the Kaminoans made sure there'd be no more 'malfunctions'

I don't know if this is pure speculation, but... https://twitter.com/Knurr_/status/589710383226740736

The Romulan Republic wrote:

bilateralrope wrote:

The Romulan Republic wrote:Ashoka doesn't have to die. Yes, their's Yoda's line about Luke being the last Jedi, but Yoda could be wrong or Ashoka could no longer be considered a Jedi at that point (remember that she left the Jedi Order).

The biggest problem with Ashoka, Ezra or Kanan surviving isn't Yoda's line. It's the fact that none of the Rebels make any mention of them to Luke. Which means that all three of them must be in a position where teaching Luke is obviously not going to happen. If they leave the Rebellion, Luke can still go to them and ask for help. So that just leaves them dying or defecting to the Empire.

But he makes no attempt to get any kind of training from them when, at the end of ANH, even Ezra is bound to know a few things that Luke doesn't. Just have a read through the thread on Heir to the Jedi. Luke has to figure out telekinesis on his own.

I very much doubt that Ashoka, Kanan, and Ezra are all going to die or defect. I doubt Rebels will be that dark.

One possibility would be for them to screw up or be framed in some way that makes the Rebellion unwilling to work with them. Or they could suffer some tragedy so great that they give up and quit the fight.

Edit: They shouldn't do the same thing for all of them. It would be repetitive. So maybe they'll use a different option for each character. Logically I might go with Ashoka dies, Ezra is corrupted (followed by either death or redemption followed by exile), and Kanan retires. But since I like Ashoka, I'd kind of rather do it differently.

Having them give up the fight or turn to the Empire seems like it would be darker than them dying while accomplishing something important. Any of them leaving the Rebellion means that the writers would need a very good reason for Luke to never be told about them and/or seek them out.

My guess is that Ashoka or Kanan will be killed by Vader. Probably Ashoka, as Kanan is a main character of Rebels while she isn't. The best ending I can see for the other two would be dying while giving time for someone else to escape with the Death Star plans.

one possibility is that Ashoka or who will die will be on board that correlian corvette we saw being destroyed.

bilateralrope wrote:Having them give up the fight or turn to the Empire seems like it would be darker than them dying while accomplishing something important. Any of them leaving the Rebellion means that the writers would need a very good reason for Luke to never be told about them and/or seek them out.

My guess is that Ashoka or Kanan will be killed by Vader. Probably Ashoka, as Kanan is a main character of Rebels while she isn't. The best ending I can see for the other two would be dying while giving time for someone else to escape with the Death Star plans.

I very much doubt that Ashoka, Kanan, and Ezra will all die, and I don't think they necessarily should.

My guess is that Kanan and/or Ashoka dies and they figure out something else to do for whoever's left. Ezra, I think, is potentially being set up for a fall to the Dark Side.

Edit: Of course, falling to the Dark Side doesn't rule out also getting killed.

Dartzap wrote:

I loved the part where Vader gets into a TIE and basically rips shit up.

The Romulan Republic wrote:

bilateralrope wrote:Having them give up the fight or turn to the Empire seems like it would be darker than them dying while accomplishing something important. Any of them leaving the Rebellion means that the writers would need a very good reason for Luke to never be told about them and/or seek them out.

My guess is that Ashoka or Kanan will be killed by Vader. Probably Ashoka, as Kanan is a main character of Rebels while she isn't. The best ending I can see for the other two would be dying while giving time for someone else to escape with the Death Star plans.

I very much doubt that Ashoka, Kanan, and Ezra will all die, and I don't think they necessarily should.

My guess is that Kanan and/or Ashoka dies and they figure out something else to do for whoever's left. Ezra, I think, is potentially being set up for a fall to the Dark Side.

Edit: Of course, falling to the Dark Side doesn't rule out also getting killed.

Dying and/or falling seem to be the only options.

Though a thought does come to mind. If they are kept out of action until Luke meets Yoda, then Luke's incentive to seek them out drops considerably. So that could work, if someone has a good reason to keep them incapacitated for those years.

bilateralrope wrote:

The Romulan Republic wrote:

bilateralrope wrote:Having them give up the fight or turn to the Empire seems like it would be darker than them dying while accomplishing something important. Any of them leaving the Rebellion means that the writers would need a very good reason for Luke to never be told about them and/or seek them out.

My guess is that Ashoka or Kanan will be killed by Vader. Probably Ashoka, as Kanan is a main character of Rebels while she isn't. The best ending I can see for the other two would be dying while giving time for someone else to escape with the Death Star plans.

I very much doubt that Ashoka, Kanan, and Ezra will all die, and I don't think they necessarily should.

My guess is that Kanan and/or Ashoka dies and they figure out something else to do for whoever's left. Ezra, I think, is potentially being set up for a fall to the Dark Side.

Edit: Of course, falling to the Dark Side doesn't rule out also getting killed.

Dying and/or falling seem to be the only options.

Though a thought does come to mind. If they are kept out of action until Luke meets Yoda, then Luke's incentive to seek them out drops considerably. So that could work, if someone has a good reason to keep them incapacitated for those years.

Was there any evidence that Luke was actively seeking out any surviving Jedi to train with prior to TESB? I mean, he was caught up in the rebellion and all.

And if I remember correctly, the Rebels has cells scattered across the remote parts of the galaxy. (I doubt, for example, that the entirety of the Alliance was either on Dantooine, Yavin IV, or Hoth) It might have made sense for the Rebels to keep Luke in a separate unit from Ahsoka, Kanan, or Ezra, if the Rebels knew that the Empire was specifically seeking Luke.

That's true. But you'd think it would have come to Luke's (and through him, Yoda's) if their there were other Jedi fighting in the Rebellion.

amigocabal wrote:And if I remember correctly, the Rebels has cells scattered across the remote parts of the galaxy. (I doubt, for example, that the entirety of the Alliance was either on Dantooine, Yavin IV, or Hoth) It might have made sense for the Rebels to keep Luke in a separate unit from Ahsoka, Kanan, or Ezra, if the Rebels knew that the Empire was specifically seeking Luke.

Right up until one of them brings up the risks of an untrained force user falling to the Dark Side.

Or someone decides that the more Luke knows about the Force, the more useful he is to the Rebellion. Meaning that he should go see the people who know more about the Force than he does.

The Romulan Republic wrote:That's true. But you'd think it would have come to Luke's (and through him, Yoda's) if their there were other Jedi fighting in the Rebellion.

Yoda has had contact with Kanan through that Jedi temple on Lothal. So Yoda knows about Kanan and Exra. He showed enough interest in them that I'd expect him to at least ask Luke about them (unless Yoda has already felt their deaths). If they are dead, then that's a discussion than can happen off screen because it's one that would have no consequences. If they are still alive, then there is the question of why Yoda is training Luke but not them.

bilateralrope wrote:Yoda has had contact with Kanan through that Jedi temple on Lothal. So Yoda knows about Kanan and Exra. He showed enough interest in them that I'd expect him to at least ask Luke about them (unless Yoda has already felt their deaths). If they are dead, then that's a discussion than can happen off screen because it's one that would have no consequences. If they are still alive, then there is the question of why Yoda is training Luke but not them.

It might have simply been an assumption that they would not have been capable of ever stopping Vader or the Emperor. Luke had far more Force potential than both of them put together.

Yeah. Luke is strong and the son of the Chosen One. And that teaser we just got gave a pretty good indication of how well Kanan and Ezra vs. Vader would go.

And its not like they're untrained. Ezra has been trained by Kanan, and Kanan was trained at least a bit by the old Jedi Order, right? Much good it did them against Vader, much less Palpatine.

we also have to remember that Kanaan wasn't a Knight but a half trained Padawan when Order 66 was enacted, so Yoda might have thought that having Kanaan Train Luke wouldn't be good because of that.

Yoda kept secrets from Luke, there is no reason not to believe that this is simply another secret. Cells ignorant of one another's existence is a basic insurgent tactic.

Imperial Overlord wrote:Yoda kept secrets from Luke, there is no reason not to believe that this is simply another secret. Cells ignorant of one another's existence is a basic insurgent tactic.

And one that they've been employing in the show already; the finale made a big deal of how none of them knew they were a cell after they got rescued.

The Romulan Republic wrote:That's true. But you'd think it would have come to Luke's (and through him, Yoda's) if their there were other Jedi fighting in the Rebellion.

Yoda already knew, remember? When Kanan and Ezra visited that sub-temple, he was not a hologram. He was projecting his consciousness over interstellar distances.

If they are still alive, then there is the question of why Yoda is training Luke but not them.

Kanan was almost fully trained if his performance is any indication. A half-trained Padawan is damn dangerous, and already proficient in everything Yoda would need to teach them. For example, by the time Ahsoka was apprenticed to Anakin, she was already proficient in all the skills she would need to be a functioning Jedi. The basic Force abilities, lightsaber combat etc. The Padawan period is basically a way to guide them through their own adolescence, and give them an opportunity to hone their abilities and judgement through practice and application without having to shoulder the full burdens of Jedi Hood.

Luke had to be Crash-Coursed in basic skills, because he had next to zero training and was the Only one in the Entire Galaxy with a chance of defeating/turning Vader. No one but Luke or possibly his sister could have done it, because doing it required leveraging what was left of his humanity, which entirely hinged on what amounts to familial affection.

Telling Luke he was the last jedi, even if the others do live, is true. From a certain point of view. He is the only one who's knighthood would be certified by way of passing the Trial set by another Knight. Namely defeating Vader. It was also precisely what Luke needed to hear.

One other reason is that Ahsoka and the others realize that Vader and the Empire consider any surviving Jedi an unignorable threat: so Ahsoka and the others become essentially big distraction while the less-important non-Jedi rebels actually get shit done like assembling a fleet.

One possible creative alternative is that Ahsoka and other Jedi leave Imperial space for unknown regions, abandoning the Rebellion for whatever reason. They may even abandon being a Jedi in favor of just surviving. One possible reason is that they think their cell is destroyed and deliberately decide to run away rather than juts look for another cell, again to distract Vader and to insulate the Rebellion from him.

The Duchess of Zeon wrote:I'd be astonished if Vader killed Ahsoka.

As would I. In Vader's mind, she's probably as much a victim of the Jedi as he was. At the very least, we should see some conflicted feelings on Vader's part after he learns that his former padawan has become a rebel. I doubt he has any genuine affection for Palpatine and any he had for Obi-wan probably died on Mustafar, but Ahsoka might be the only person from his past who still has the ability to reach the good man that he used to be.

Zixinus wrote:One other reason is that Ahsoka and the others realize that Vader and the Empire consider any surviving Jedi an unignorable threat: so Ahsoka and the others become essentially big distraction while the less-important non-Jedi rebels actually get shit done like assembling a fleet.

One possible creative alternative is that Ahsoka and other Jedi leave Imperial space for unknown regions, abandoning the Rebellion for whatever reason. They may even abandon being a Jedi in favor of just surviving. One possible reason is that they think their cell is destroyed and deliberately decide to run away rather than juts look for another cell, again to distract Vader and to insulate the Rebellion from him.

I like your idea - have Ahoska, Kanan, and Ezra, toward the end, (or with the rest of the Ghosts's crew), basically decide that the best way they can help the rebellion, at that point, is to quietly make their way to the outer rim, and go into permanent hiding - maybe even going so far as to head toward that little satellite galaxy...

Season 2 launches on June 20th. I'll be out of town away from any possibility of catching it. Have to wonder what Vader's going to do now.

biostem wrote: I like your idea - have Ahoska, Kanan, and Ezra, toward the end, (or with the rest of the Ghosts's crew), basically decide that the best way they can help the rebellion, at that point, is to quietly make their way to the outer rim, and go into permanent hiding - maybe even going so far as to head toward that little satellite galaxy...

My take is that the galaxy is a very very very large place. The Empire is a vast organization and by the time of the original trilogy the rebellion is spread throughout the galaxy. Though the "official" leadership consists of Mon Mothma, Princess Leia, Admiral Ackbar et al, There are many Rebel groups spread throughout the galaxy. There may be some jedi / former jedi assisting the rebellion who are not using the force for obvious reasons.

biostem wrote:I like your idea - have Ahoska, Kanan, and Ezra, toward the end, (or with the rest of the Ghosts's crew), basically decide that the best way they can help the rebellion, at that point, is to quietly make their way to the outer rim, and go into permanent hiding - maybe even going so far as to head toward that little satellite galaxy...

Or, say, volunteer for a suicide mission to obtain the Death Star plans.

Galvatron wrote:

biostem wrote:I like your idea - have Ahoska, Kanan, and Ezra, toward the end, (or with the rest of the Ghosts's crew), basically decide that the best way they can help the rebellion, at that point, is to quietly make their way to the outer rim, and go into permanent hiding - maybe even going so far as to head toward that little satellite galaxy...

Or, say, volunteer for a suicide mission to obtain the Death Star plans.

that's a possibility too, though considering the lenghts they went to recruit Obi-Wan Kenobi during ANH (who had as far as I know been living as a hermit in the Dune Sea for 20 years) I dout the Rebel Leaders would approve of Team Fulcrum (to use Ahsoka's code name) going on a suicide mission.

Indeed.

A Jedi is not an asset you just throw away.