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Havok wrote:Wow. 4-1? That is just... well, pathetic really. I thought England was supposed to be good? I mean, yeah, we lost, but at least we took it to overtime and played our hearts out. We are also a young team with almost no talent as compared to the rest of the world... didn't you guys invent the game?
What, did England stop for tea time or something or did Germany just beat them into submission like they always do? Too bad it wasn't a war, maybe we could have come and saved your asses... again. Oh well, I guess you can just keep clinging to glories past, your country is good at that.

SancheztheWhaler wrote:

Agent Sorchus wrote:Honestly a video replay wouldn't have happened then, but a system closer to Hockey where the goal posts know might work.

Video replay would absolutely ruin soccer; it's annoying but not destructive in American football because there are natural stoppages all the time, but in basketball, when it is used, it really disrupts the flow of the game... even more so than timeouts.

This solution, however, would be a fantastic, easy to implement, and most importantly, impartial solution... although I doubt it will be utilized any time soon.

Edi wrote: You don't need video replay verification for everything, but goals and penalty shot calls should have it.

wautd wrote:If there's one thing worse than those godawful vuvuzela's, its some of the abysmal referees in this WC.

SancheztheWhaler wrote:I have a question for the English folks on this board... why is Wayne Rooney so good for Manchester united (34 goals in all appearances last year) and so shit awful for England? For that matter, why are English players in general pretty damned good in the EPL and so complete and utter shit when they play internationally?

Zac Naloen wrote:

SancheztheWhaler wrote:I have a question for the English folks on this board... why is Wayne Rooney so good for Manchester united (34 goals in all appearances last year) and so shit awful for England? For that matter, why are English players in general pretty damned good in the EPL and so complete and utter shit when they play internationally?

In the premier league they are supported by players of superior technical skill that allows them to do play the more british athletic//powerful style without that ball technique and get away with it. Rooney doesn't need to do very much on the ball in premier league, he runs around a lot.. get passed the ball and shoots at goal. Whats more annoying about Rooney is that he's gone backwards since he was 16, he's not even the player he was then.

We just don't have enough technical quality across the team to compete on the world stage and by the time they reach international age it's too late. It's a scandal in our football academy system that we still pick for size and pace and not ability on the ball.

Which I why I'm not at all upset england are out, I was hoping we'd get a good game yesterday and we did... but some of my country men need to grow the fuck up and stop whining (and not just on here either) we were never good enough to get past this stage our performances in the groups showed that.

Thanas wrote:I suspect you will be banned if Dalton sees this, Bluewolf. So do me a favour and change it, I know you did not mean it.

charlemagne wrote:

wautd wrote:If there's one thing worse than those godawful vuvuzela's, its some of the abysmal referees in this WC.

Indeed. Maybe after that terrible start their new policy now is to just screw with every match so the tournament stays "fair"

Anyways, Germany did really good against England, yes England was pretty rubbish, but our team stayed calm, kept working and played some fantastic football. No one would've thought a couple of years ago that you'd see the German team playing that kind of fast, modern football. IMO this style wouldn't be possible with Ballack playing. It'll be amazing to see what that team can pull off once they get some more experience. I mean, look at Müller - he's fucking 20 years young!

D.Turtle wrote:I like this one:

Ingerland is Killing England wrote:How Ingerland Is Killing England...
Posted 28/06/10 10:45


The worst thing about an England tournament exit is the fall-out; the phone-ins with idiot fans, the tabloid hyperbole, the pundits with easy solutions and the inevitable sacking of the manager.

This is the noise of what I call Ingerland; the noise of people who expected too much based on nothing other than their own myriad delusions, false assumptions and insane expectations.

The more rational, perceptive voice of England fans gets drowned out in the all this bluster.

Ingerland fans are full of rubbish. To these people it is always the players who were not picked that would have provided the solution. If only Darren Bent had been selected, or Theo Walcott or whoever, they would have turned things around. One caller to 606 offers the argument that Liverpool won five trophies when Peter Crouch played for them as proof of why Crouch should have played from the start. He's totally sure. Pity that it's not true.

England fans know that just picking another couple of players who are inculcated into the same football culture, the same youth training, with the same attitude, will not help. England fans know a revolution from the grassroots upwards is what is required, not just shuffling the chairs on the deck of a Titanic.

But the bellicose howling of Ingerland is now in full flow with fans shouting about Capello being foreign. That's always the problem to Ingerland fans - "get 'Arry in" says one Ingerland blow-hard, "he's proper English".

Proper. English.

Ingerland doesn't like foreign. Indeed, to the Ingerland man, it's the foreigners who are to blame for pretty much everything.

England fans know this is spurious nonsense, not least because the results under English managers have been no better. Our best-ever run of form was under Sven. Ingerland has forgotten this and chooses only to remember the tabloid portrayal of him as a funny foreigner who was a loser.

England fans know that it's not the management that is the problem, it's everything else.

Another furious Ingerlander comes on and pulls out his killer analysis: "You need someone with a bit of passion." And he goes on to say, "I'm very nationalistic about my country," - comically unaware of the tautology. As yes, passion; that's what is always missing. Passion is the most over-used word in football.

England fans are all too aware that people who talk like this are part of the problem, not the solution. Passion, whatever that might mean and however it might manifest itself, is irrelevant without tactically flexibility, technique and mental strength. Just caring more doesn't help if you haven't the technique to pass the ball accurately under pressure.

But Ingerland isn't done yet: "They let down the whole country," he says.

England's more rational voices wonder how this could be the case when they have no track record of success in tournaments, indeed last 16 or eight or non-qualification is what has happened for 44 years with only one exception in 1990. So they're not letting anyone down, they are performing to par.

England fans know it's unfair to expect something which cannot be delivered and equally unfair to then berate those who were palpably unable to deliver it for their inadequacies. England's more rational fans wonder why so many Ingerlanders invest so much in these mere mortals to the extent that they seem to talk about them as if they know them personally; as though it's a member of their own family.

"Why can't they play like they do for their clubs?" wails another Ingerland caller, seemingly unaware of the difference between international football and club football. At their clubs they are in familiar surroundings, play 50% of their games in front of loyal supporters, they know how their team-mates play and those team-mates are often better than their England team-mates.

But crucially, above all that, they are playing quite poor sides half of the time. They play well against Wigan or Burnley and receive the unreasoned adulation of Ingerland fans for doing so, ignoring the fact that these players regularly make the same mistakes that they make in an England shirt but are punished by the opposition for it far less.

England fans know that this behaviour is totally over the top but their voices of caution are all too often painted by Ingerland as unpatriotic or simply stupid. Maybe we don't have enough passion?

The leap from club football to international tournament is clearly a vast gulf which time and again we cannot cross, not least because Ingerland fans heap pressure and expectation on the players to do so.

Another Ingerland fan drags out a favourite cliché calling them 'overpaid prima donnas' and wants the government to cut their wages, stunningly unaware that they are not public sector workers. He just seems to want to punish them; to hurt them.

England fans know that it matters not how much you're paid, if you're not able to play less rigid, inflexible football from an early age; if you can't control a ball with one touch, if you are caught out of position and are too slow to compete, you are going to end up losing. Making them poorer won't change that.

After every tournament failure we hear the full cry of Ingerland eagerly looking for scapegoats, wanting to wipe the past clean and start again, wanting a silver bullet to make it all better. The domination of Ingerland fans and the Ingerland press who feed them at times like this are all part of the England problem. Their bluster and ignorance puts up a smokescreen and obfuscates more rational, intelligent debate and thought.

I genuinely believe most England fans know what the basic problems are and how they might be solved in the long term, the trouble is it's the voices of Ingerland who all too often gear and drive the authorities' decisions. Ingerland says it is the carrier of the flame of Olde Albion. It is the only one who really cares and many in authority believe them or are too scared to take them on.

In short, Ingerland is killing England.

Tribun wrote:As for Brazil... while they won, they showed themselves to be rather mediocre. They should be glad that it had been only Chile. The Netherlands will be a different matter....

SancheztheWhaler wrote:I have a question for the English folks on this board... why is Wayne Rooney so good for Manchester united (34 goals in all appearances last year) and so shit awful for England? For that matter, why are English players in general pretty damned good in the EPL and so complete and utter shit when they play internationally?

1. He plays for Manchester United. It's a well proven fact that the Premier League is so 'enamored' by their rep that they get more favourable calls their way, and if they are chasing a game they get more time added on than any other team.
2. In fact so fucking unbelievable the level of capitulation at Old Toilet Old Trafford, one team didn't even fucking bother fielding their best starting eleven because 'they didn't think they would get anything out of the game anyway' (Mick McCarthy, I'm looking at you.
3. Those goals include penalties and free kicks (dead ball situations) which if you see point 1, you'll note they get a lot of.
4. The tactical 'nous' of Fergie is to play 4-5-1 with Rooney up front and two wingers who have had a (surprisingly) fantastic season. The Shrek bastard practically stands still and cross, after cross, after cross rebound in off him.
5. The second highest 'goal scorer' at Manchester United is 'Own Goal' ... okay, that didn't have a lot to do with anything, but I thought I'd throw it in.

Crown wrote:Those goals include penalties and free kicks (dead ball situations) which if you see point 1, you'll note they get a lot of.

Crown wrote: I support Liverpool