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Viola!!! I knew it!Arawn Fenn wrote:The Clone Wars is like Jason Voorhees. Even after you kill it, it comes back to do more damage.The Romulan Republic wrote:Glad to hear some more of The Clone Wars will be released.
I didn't mean to imply that the rebels would just casually send Jedi to their deaths. The mission would have to be pretty damn important and also damn near impossible for it to justify sending their best assets get it done.The Romulan Republic wrote:Indeed.
A Jedi is not an asset you just throw away.
That would require some level of competence from the stormtroopers, something that so far the show's authors have not only been unwilling to show, but actually believe is not possible; I believe it was Dave Filoni who said in an interview that Obi-Wan was mistaken, stormtroopers are not so precise, he was just remembering the clone troopers, and the OT actually shows them being terrible soldiers, despite the fact that every time they fail it's because they were ordered to keep a high-value target alive.Galvatron wrote:I didn't mean to imply that the rebels would just casually send Jedi to their deaths. The mission would have to be pretty damn important and also damn near impossible for it to justify sending their best assets get it done.The Romulan Republic wrote:Indeed.
A Jedi is not an asset you just throw away.
And I don't think Ahsoka necessarily has to die by Vader's blade. Instead, I can imagine her holding the line at some hangar bay choke point against hordes of stormtroopers so her teammates could board their ship and escape. I can also imagine Vader silently watching it all happen from a distance and not interfering, which would leave the audience to wonder what thoughts he had and what emotions he felt as he witnessed his former apprentice (and one of the only people from his past who never betrayed him) bravely sacrifice herself for her friends and her cause.
Yeah, I think I'd prefer something like that over yet another trite lightsabre duel.
I think their are two main failures that cause stormtroopers to have a bad reputation. The first one is their repeated failure to take out any of the main heroes despite huge odds in their favour (the closest they came was a minor injury Leia suffered in Return of the Jedi and capturing her when she was on her own against them in A New Hope). This is, of course, an inevitable consequence of them frequently going up against elite fighters who must survive. The other reason is their defeat on Endor to the primitive and much-reviled Ewoks, though I think that people should keep in mind that the stormtroopers were ambushed and the Ewoks had help from Rebel troops.Galvatron wrote:Hey, even hordes of battledroids can be threatening if there are enough of them, although I do agree with you that stormtroopers are given a bad rap for no good reason. Frankly, I thought the opening scenes in ANH were meant to showcase how easily stormtroopers can steamroll typical rebels.
That's fucking absurd given the marksmanship of the AT-AT gunners on Hoth who were able to shoot fast-moving T-47s out of the sky.Rogue 9 wrote:Well, the Season 2 trailer gives the distinct impression that they intend to show AT-AT gunners unable to hit a slow-moving Clone Wars era walker at close range with the clone crew openly mocking them about it, so I doubt it's going to get much better on that front.
Yet more reasons for me to believe that things only really started to go to shit with ROTJ.The Romulan Republic wrote:I think their are two main failures that cause stormtroopers to have a bad reputation. The first one is their repeated failure to take out any of the main heroes despite huge odds in their favour (the closest they came was a minor injury Leia suffered in Return of the Jedi and capturing her when she was on her own against them in A New Hope). This is, of course, an inevitable consequence of them frequently going up against elite fighters who must survive. The other reason is their defeat on Endor to the primitive and much-reviled Ewoks, though I think that people should keep in mind that the stormtroopers were ambushed and the Ewoks had help from Rebel troops.
Kanan was only a padawan; he is not officially a Jedi. Ahsoka left the Order during the Clone Wars so she is not a Jedi either.Zixinus wrote:I find it amusing that people keep saying that the whole dramatic stake of the prequels (and everything they do in that timeframe) is pointless because it ends only in tragedy (Vader kills all the Jedi) but that somehow Rebels isn't. If we are to take Yoda's line about Luke being the last Jedi literary (and we should as Yoda knows about Ezra and Kanan by actually speaking with them) as well as Asoka, we know that they will die. Most likely killed by Vader. Their fate is somehow open but everything that happens during the Clone Wars somehow isn't.
Technically speaking Padawans were Jedi for this defination, besides it's clear in ROTS that Darth Sidious and by extension the Galactic Empire does not care if you finnished your trials or not if you were member of the order you're a target and I dout Yoda cares about the official ranking either and at least the "spirit Yoda" seemed to consider Kanaan to be full Jedi.amigocabal wrote:Kanan was only a padawan; he is not officially a Jedi. Ahsoka left the Order during the Clone Wars so she is not a Jedi either.Zixinus wrote:I find it amusing that people keep saying that the whole dramatic stake of the prequels (and everything they do in that timeframe) is pointless because it ends only in tragedy (Vader kills all the Jedi) but that somehow Rebels isn't. If we are to take Yoda's line about Luke being the last Jedi literary (and we should as Yoda knows about Ezra and Kanan by actually speaking with them) as well as Asoka, we know that they will die. Most likely killed by Vader. Their fate is somehow open but everything that happens during the Clone Wars somehow isn't.
Yoda might have felt that way before she chose to not return. But after that... well, she chose to say goodbye to the Jedi.Lord Revan wrote:Technically speaking Padawans were Jedi for this defination, besides it's clear in ROTS that Darth Sidious and by extension the Galactic Empire does not care if you finnished your trials or not if you were member of the order you're a target and I dout Yoda cares about the official ranking either and at least the "spirit Yoda" seemed to consider Kanaan to be full Jedi.amigocabal wrote:Kanan was only a padawan; he is not officially a Jedi. Ahsoka left the Order during the Clone Wars so she is not a Jedi either.Zixinus wrote:I find it amusing that people keep saying that the whole dramatic stake of the prequels (and everything they do in that timeframe) is pointless because it ends only in tragedy (Vader kills all the Jedi) but that somehow Rebels isn't. If we are to take Yoda's line about Luke being the last Jedi literary (and we should as Yoda knows about Ezra and Kanan by actually speaking with them) as well as Asoka, we know that they will die. Most likely killed by Vader. Their fate is somehow open but everything that happens during the Clone Wars somehow isn't.
And Yoda was ready to bring Ahsoka back to the order (Windu's wording implied that she might even have been a full knight), she was the one who refused so it's probable that in Yoda's eyes she's a Jedi even if she didn't under go the ritual promotion to Jedi Knight
If she doesn't come to him or she manages to overwhelm him by sentimentality (or otherwise persuaded to give mercy), I don't think he'll care too much about the semantic technicalities in which lightsaber-wielding, Force-using, Empire-opposing person he kills. Or about anyone else that opposes him and serves the Empire.Galvatron wrote:The real question is whether or not Vader would consider Ahsoka to be a Jedi.
Did Sabine just shrug off 2 reflected blaster shots with barely a scratch?Rogue 9 wrote:
Minor spoilers, but god damn it, James Earl Jones voicing Vader just gives me chills.
