STGOD 4 OOC Thread (part 2)

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-08-25 06:09pm

Why would the Draconis BDZ? Theyt wouldn't even bomb urban centers, and that cost them huge numbers of lives. they won't BDZ just for vengeance's sake!

Besides, your press release was pretty wishy-washy and inconclusive. It attacked the Etern more than it supported the Draconis.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-08-25 06:11pm

Speak softly and carry a big stick. I said I would honor my treaty obligations. That's all I needed to say.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-08-25 06:14pm

I've never found speaking softly to be a wise move in situations when one intends on using said stick...

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-08-25 06:23pm

Huh? What do you think you did to Hudson? Didn't say a word. Just *WHACK!*

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-08-25 06:26pm

Hudson took place before the STGOD even began. How do you know who was or wasn't warning anyone else? Besides, we didn't have the proper facilities to go about warning people at the time, and had to procure some hypercomms first.

Every other Hajr military act has been presaged by public announcements of intent.

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2004-08-25 09:07pm

Alyrium Denryle wrote:Actually, we will never sign the treaty, and if we get invaded, you can be sure we probably wont leave much standing on their world as we pull out. Not only will it be a fighting retreat, but they have such terrible damage to their infastructure that come winter, they will all die(at least in their colder areas in temperate zones)

Unless, of course, they are co-belligerents against the Draconis together with various other nations. Then they can probably expect significant aid from their new friends.

Marcao · Post by **Marcao** » 2004-08-25 09:32pm

Hello Everyone!

I just got back from the Dominican Republic, and I am starting to catch up. I hope you missed me. ^_~

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-08-25 09:33pm

Welcome back!

Long story short, Shit + Fan= Right Now.

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2004-08-25 09:33pm

Marcao wrote:Hello Everyone!

I just got back from the Dominican Republic, and I am starting to catch up. I hope you missed me. ^_~

Good thing you're back, we're starting to get on the move again.

I hope you enjoyed the Caribbean, you lucky piece of crap.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-08-25 09:50pm

Ah, excellent. Now maybe we can stop having this MASSIVE CONFLICT OF INTEREST that we're having with Straha running the pirates...

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2004-08-25 09:56pm

Rogue 9 wrote:Ah, excellent. Now maybe we can stop having this MASSIVE CONFLICT OF INTEREST that we're having with Straha running the pirates...

Yes, Marcao must take back over as soon as he is prepared to do so.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-08-25 11:06pm

Pablo Sanchez wrote:
Rogue 9 wrote:Ah, excellent. Now maybe we can stop having this MASSIVE CONFLICT OF INTEREST that we're having with Straha running the pirates...
Yes, Marcao must take back over as soon as he is prepared to do so.

Is Marcao playing them or is Straha still controlling them?

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-08-25 11:32pm

Let me get this straight. You're giving warships to known pirates in exchange for a base right smack in the center of the largest concentration of the UPA nations? That dog ain't gonna hunt.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-08-25 11:36pm

Rogue 9 wrote:Let me get this straight. You're giving warships to known pirates in exchange for a base right smack in the center of the largest concentration of the UPA nations? That dog ain't gonna hunt.

I'm offering warships to a legitimate government that's under seige by a bunch thugs. It all depends on the spin.

And yes, I know that's in the Alliance space. Strategic basing after all.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-08-25 11:38pm

That's not all that terribly strategic; if it did ever come to war between the Alliance and the Asgard, that base would be the very first thing to go. Being close is one thing. Being surrounded is something else.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-08-25 11:40pm

Rogue 9 wrote:That's not all that terribly strategic; if it did ever come to war between the Alliance and the Asgard, that base would be the very first thing to go. Being close is one thing. Being surrounded is something else.

Depends on how much I put into the defenses. After all, look at places like Gibraltar or Malta. You can hold out if you've got the will.

Straha · Post by **Straha** » 2004-08-25 11:40pm

Rogue 9 wrote:That's not all that terribly strategic; if it did ever come to war between the Alliance and the Asgard, that base would be the very first thing to go. Being close is one thing. Being surrounded is something else.

But then that diverts units you could best be using elsewhere. And if he fortifies the system enough he might be able to make sure you send whole fleets worth of units in there, thus giving him a far upper hand in numbers.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2004-08-25 11:43pm

This reminds me, I have a military base right next door, down in Ja'del. Hmm hmm....

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-08-25 11:46pm

Straha wrote:
Rogue 9 wrote:That's not all that terribly strategic; if it did ever come to war between the Alliance and the Asgard, that base would be the very first thing to go. Being close is one thing. Being surrounded is something else.
But then that diverts units you could best be using elsewhere. And if he fortifies the system enough he might be able to make sure you send whole fleets worth of units in there, thus giving him a far upper hand in numbers.

I doubt he's going to have the time or ability to mirror Pinnacle on a world that doesn't even belong to him. He asked for basing rights, not ownership of the planet.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-08-25 11:48pm

Rogue 9 wrote:I doubt he's going to have the time or ability to mirror Pinnacle on a world that doesn't even belong to him. He asked for basing rights, not ownership of the planet.

Actually, I plan on fortifying the place real good. Of course that assumes Alyrium choses the smart route and pulls back. If not it's a war and I get the base after the dust settles. I hope it's the former to be honest, much clearner.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-08-25 11:48pm

Oh, I almost forgot. Now that I have my computer back online, I have mapped out my territory and need someone to host the pic. I'm converting the maps to jpegs now.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-08-25 11:50pm

Stormbringer wrote:
Rogue 9 wrote:I doubt he's going to have the time or ability to mirror Pinnacle on a world that doesn't even belong to him. He asked for basing rights, not ownership of the planet.
Actually, I plan on fortifying the place real good. Of course that assumes Alyrium choses the smart route and pulls back. If not it's a war and I get the base after the dust settles. I hope it's the former to be honest, much clearner.

Why would they let you occupy when they could get the Draconis to pull out and fix most of the vital stuff that was destroyed and have no foreigners on their planet? (And yes, fortifying the world that much would require massive military presence, enough to be tantamount to occupation.)

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2004-08-25 11:52pm

A point about fleet counts that recently caught my attention--

Firstly, I want to make sure everyone is aware that at the very beginning of the game I declared a Vampire fleet which was around half of the maximum size, and according to the rules decided at the time that means that they are rather kickass in comparison to the more numerous vessels of other nations.

Secondly, I want to talk about the fleet counts of second-chance and recently entered nations. The Minmatar Fleet is appropriately proportioned for a state just recovering from severe decline, but I'm curious about what we agreed to in particular concerning Alyrium's reentry as the Draconis--what size of fleet was he granted?

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-08-25 11:52pm

Rogue 9 wrote:Why would they let you occupy when they could get the Draconis to pull out and fix most of the vital stuff that was destroyed and have no foreigners on their planet?

Because Alyriums apparently would rather nuke them into oblivion? They've got a good reason to want ships and a bit of protection.

Rogue 9 wrote:(And yes, fortifying the world that much would require massive military presence, enough to be tantamount to occupation.)

It depends, and it's basing in-system not necessarily on New Tortuga. I generally put military bases on relatively uninhabited worlds to begin with.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-08-25 11:56pm

Pablo Sanchez wrote:Secondly, I want to talk about the fleet counts of second-chance and recently entered nations. The Minmatar Fleet is appropriately proportioned for a state just recovering from severe decline, but I'm curious about what we agreed to in particular concerning Alyrium's reentry as the Draconis--what size of fleet was he granted?

Three quarters, I think.