More Trektardism

rhoenix · Post by **rhoenix** » 2007-10-28 05:13am

From an outside perspective, I'm finding it deeply funny that someone adopting the username Spock can be so deeply illogical; in fact, he appears to be reaching further and further up his colon to find his arguments.

Servo, Aratech and others, I sincerely salute you. I simply wouldn't have the patience to debate with someone like this.

lord Martiya · Post by **lord Martiya** » 2007-10-28 06:13am

It isn't patience, it's natural and Darwinian cruelty.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2007-10-28 02:41pm

I simply have a low tolerance for stupidity and consider it needed to exposed and smacked down. One posting such idiocy (and out-right lies) needs to be humiliated.

DarthShady · Post by **DarthShady** » 2007-10-28 03:29pm

Darth Servo wrote:I simply have a low tolerance for stupidity and consider it needed to exposed and smacked down. One posting such idiocy (and out-right lies) needs to be humiliated.

Not just humiliated but also ridiculed and publicly laughed at.

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2007-10-29 04:16am

Terralthra wrote:
Connor MacLeod wrote: Video clip?
here

Well, that was interesting.

- I'm not convinced that the thing is actually 4-5 km long defintely. At most, that's an upper limit. I'd say more like 3 km if anything. But again, if Spock wants to do the scaling to prove his point, ,he can be my guest. (then again it would still be an upper limit, since the comet was closer to the camera than the enterrpise at the only scaling reference I noticed.)

- I fail to see why Spock assumes that the comet was entirely "melted" by thermal effects. The entire thing looked very odd to me, as if it melted/boiled away too quickly. If we take Spock's scale as accurate, the heat would have to travel quite fast through it - far faster than conduction can achieve, as far as I am aware of. And they're not widebeaming at all.
I also see no evidence of work-heating, which is about the only way I could see that largge volume of ice being affected as rapidly as it was.O Nevermind its not having any sort of side effects on anything else.

f course, to totally disregard the phasorising effect is also foolish. Particularily when the comet's mass keeps disappearing long after the firing stops.

Moreover, if you vaporize that entire volume, why isn't it producing more steam? we can see it rising off - vaporizing a huge chunk of ice should produce MASSIVE amounts of steam. If its having any major thermal effects, it looks to be melting, if not phasorizing away. Nevermidn the 4000-5000K nonsense.

In any event, it basically amounts to a lage amount of guessing and unsubstantiated claims coupled with some debatable interpretations of visuals.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2007-10-29 04:32am

Connor MacLeod wrote:- I fail to see why Spock assumes that the comet was entirely "melted" by thermal effects.

Because he can generate higher numbers that way. Consistency with whats observed on screen? Do we really need that?

Moreover, if you vaporize that entire volume, why isn't it producing more steam? we can see it rising off - vaporizing a huge chunk of ice should produce MASSIVE amounts of steam.

Add in the fact that we see vapor around the commet before the Enterprise starts shooting.

In any event, it basically amounts to a lage amount of guessing and unsubstantiated claims coupled with some debatable interpretations of visuals.

And a lot of numbers Spock clearly pulled out of his ass.

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2007-10-29 04:34am

Darth Servo wrote: And a lot of numbers Spock clearly pulled out of his ass.

Well yes, buit its interesting to note that his mentality is such that he feels perfectly justified in making unwarranted assumptions in STar Trek's case, yet in Star Wars its impossible to do so and nothing is true unless its spelled out in absolute, excrutiating, and blatant detail. And even then, he might still find wiggle room to (mis) interpret it. THe bit about the "weeks out put of several main sequence stars" is a prime example.

darth_timon · Post by **darth_timon** » 2007-10-30 11:28am

I've seen a few of JMSpock's arguments on ST.com, which concern me greatly. He is arguing that Federation forces could intercept Imperial vessels with ease in the event the Empire invaded the Federation, because he claims Fed ships are as fast as Imperial ships over -10,000LY distances. He doesn't appear to have seen Voyager.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2007-10-30 11:36am

darth_timon wrote:I've seen a few of JMSpock's arguments on ST.com, which concern me greatly. He is arguing that Federation forces could intercept Imperial vessels with ease in the event the Empire invaded the Federation, because he claims Fed ships are as fast as Imperial ships over -10,000LY distances. He doesn't appear to have seen Voyager.

Oh, he's seen it. He has a bunch of references (an unmentioned, unjustifiable assumptions) from each series to get his wanked numbers. Look at the example I posted from "The Chase" a page or two back.

Jericho Kross · Post by **Jericho Kross** » 2007-10-31 10:15am

Thet guy has serious issues. He actually thinks he is winning!

His posts make me want to see the Empire fucking assrape the federation sidways.

Kane Starkiller · Post by **Kane Starkiller** » 2007-11-01 08:52am

The best part is when JMSpock claims that "Ensigns of command" suggests 4 days to 3 weeks travel time for the nearest Federation colony ship when in fact 4 days is the ultimatum given by the Sheliak and had nothing to do with the travel time which was always no less than 3 weeks.
Damn what a fucking liar.

Aratech · Post by **Aratech** » 2007-11-01 09:29am

He's resorted tot he usual final tactic of someone of his kind, too, bowed out after having his arguments shoved back in his face. Phoenix is still at it though. He seems to be becoming more unhinged though. Fewer leaps in logic fallacies, more Ad Hominums.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2007-11-01 11:34am

Kane Starkiller wrote:The best part is when JMSpock claims that "Ensigns of command" suggests 4 days to 3 weeks travel time for the nearest Federation colony ship when in fact 4 days is the ultimatum given by the Sheliak and had nothing to do with the travel time which was always no less than 3 weeks.
Damn what a fucking liar.

He also tried to say that the three weeks included accounting for the fact that the colonists were unwillilng to move, even though the ETA was given BEFORE Data had informed Picard of their stubbornness.

Peptuck · Post by **Peptuck** » 2007-11-01 11:37am

Aratech wrote:He's resorted tot he usual final tactic of someone of his kind, too, bowed out after having his arguments shoved back in his face. Phoenix is still at it though. He seems to be becoming more unhinged though. Fewer leaps in logic fallacies, more Ad Hominums.

I wonder how he'd respond if I wandered back in there and started mocking him, French castle guard style.

Aratech · Post by **Aratech** » 2007-11-01 12:05pm

Peptuck wrote:
Aratech wrote:He's resorted tot he usual final tactic of someone of his kind, too, bowed out after having his arguments shoved back in his face. Phoenix is still at it though. He seems to be becoming more unhinged though. Fewer leaps in logic fallacies, more Ad Hominums.
I wonder how he'd respond if I wandered back in there and started mocking him, French castle guard style.

I can't say I'd mind. Between the classes and studying for the GRE/LSAT I need a good laugh.

Peptuck · Post by **Peptuck** » 2007-11-01 12:32pm

Aratech, I just read through that savage, merciless beatdown, and holy crap. That was epic.

It was like....well, the Curbstomp Song makes an adequate comparison: "A vampire, a wizard, a battleship, and a dragon, against a monk, a settler, and a coal miner in a cattle wagon."

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2007-11-01 12:40pm

Peptuck wrote:I wonder how he'd respond if I wandered back in there and started mocking him, French castle guard style.

One way to find out.

Aratech · Post by **Aratech** » 2007-11-01 01:21pm

Peptuck wrote:Aratech, I just read through that savage, merciless beatdown, and holy crap. That was epic.

It was like....well, the Curbstomp Song makes an adequate comparison: "A vampire, a wizard, a battleship, and a dragon, against a monk, a settler, and a coal miner in a cattle wagon."

I can't take all the credit, Pep. Servo and Vympl showed me to some sites where the transcripts for the Trek epsidoes were, provide the droid screenshots I needed, and told me exactly who Sarli was. An Ancient, over at SB, also gave assistance on the screen shots regarding Tears of the Prophets.

Still, my favorite part had to be where he yanked out Republic Commando to try and show slow hyperdrive speeds, which when I showed him them calcs, wound up proving that an ISD can hit 50,000,000+ C

Peptuck · Post by **Peptuck** » 2007-11-01 02:04pm

Still, my favorite part had to be where he yanked out Republic Commando to try and show slow hyperdrive speeds, which when I showed him them calcs, wound up proving that an ISD can hit 50,000,000+ C

Aha, an example of the ultimate reversal!

I can't help but note that in the "Federation vs. the Empire" thread, Spock also got his ass royally handed to him.

Man, I want to start a Star Trek vs Warhammer 40k thread over there, just to see how morons like Spock would handle it.

Aratech · Post by **Aratech** » 2007-11-01 02:24pm

Peptuck wrote:
Still, my favorite part had to be where he yanked out Republic Commando to try and show slow hyperdrive speeds, which when I showed him them calcs, wound up proving that an ISD can hit 50,000,000+ C
Aha, an example of the ultimate reversal!

I can't help but note that in the "Federation vs. the Empire" thread, Spock also got his ass royally handed to him.

Man, I want to start a Star Trek vs Warhammer 40k thread over there, just to see how morons like Spock would handle it.

I would suspect a very harsh date with reality. If they don't think that SW beats Trek, why would they believe that the pseudo-gothic Imperium of Man should?

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2007-11-01 02:40pm

Peptuck wrote:Man, I want to start a Star Trek vs Warhammer 40k thread over there, just to see how morons like Spock would handle it.

Guys, you're talking about a group of people who

to the phase cloak to the point that they've convinced themselves that Trek could beat the culture.

Aratech · Post by **Aratech** » 2007-11-01 02:47pm

Darth Servo wrote:
Peptuck wrote:Man, I want to start a Star Trek vs Warhammer 40k thread over there, just to see how morons like Spock would handle it.
Guys, you're talking about a group of people who to the phase cloak to the point that they've convinced themselves that Trek could beat the culture.

Is this before or after the GEOM has the UFP fleets sucked into the Warp? Lacking Gellar fields, I can only imagine the horrors awaiting them about half a second after their arrival.

Peptuck · Post by **Peptuck** » 2007-11-01 02:48pm

Aratech wrote:
Peptuck wrote:
Still, my favorite part had to be where he yanked out Republic Commando to try and show slow hyperdrive speeds, which when I showed him them calcs, wound up proving that an ISD can hit 50,000,000+ C
Aha, an example of the ultimate reversal!

I can't help but note that in the "Federation vs. the Empire" thread, Spock also got his ass royally handed to him.

Man, I want to start a Star Trek vs Warhammer 40k thread over there, just to see how morons like Spock would handle it.
I would suspect a very harsh date with reality. If they don't think that SW beats Trek, why would they believe that the pseudo-gothic Imperium of Man should?

Because neither Star Wars nor Star Trek has anything as awesome as walking battle cathedrals

Darth Ruinus · Post by **Darth Ruinus** » 2007-11-01 02:50pm

I like that Pheonix guys latest post, where he says that he was just threatened, and that, by his logic, we (here at SDN) think that it would be ok to kill people because they are stupid, since we think it is ok to flame people for stupidity.

DarthShady · Post by **DarthShady** » 2007-11-01 03:06pm

Darth Ruinus wrote:I like that Pheonix guys latest post, where he says that he was just threatened, and that, by his logic, we (here at SDN) think that it would be ok to kill people because they are stupid, since we think it is ok to flame people for stupidity.

Where does their bullshit end?

Flaming=Killing.WTF?