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*holds up hands*

Okay, I'm cool with that. But, won't blowing stuff up and doing live fire exercises in a place that's also a nuclear waste dumb a bad thing...? We can have an international incident in the form of an accident, cool

Hmm...so, how many heirs did you bring into this world, Coyote?

It's fairly simple: We set aside a zone as the dumping ground, and use a separate distinct zone as the live fire range. Between the two is a buffer zone.

How about making most of the island a wildlife and nature preserve?

Do we really need such a huge waste dump/live fire range? We could cultivate the island, create artificial reefs and such, and then let a limited number of people in each year to witness the glory of New Earth's nature.

I think the large islands' inland territories could make for better wildlife preserves than a charred 7500 km island, half of which is a giant oil field which totally burned out, and the other half with Urban areas is a wasteland of post-apocalyptic nightmares, razed to the ground like Hiroshima.

Seriously, Zablania was so thoroughly destroyed that it's biosphere was almost completely wiped; why spend money to restore it when we have uniquie habitats in other islands?

Why not propose a Mega National Wildlife Reserve in Vulpesia? Even your own nation?

Zablania will become a financial hole if we were to restore it's biosphere.

Unless we make it a post-apocalypse theme park; but seriously, using the apocalyptic megapolis ruins for military training is a better solution IMHO.

PeZook wrote: Does this mean you approve the ISCA budget for this year?

Yup, handled in-game. As long as we get a slice of the shipbuilding contracts, we're happy.

If you want to, I can shift some moneys from the Nuclear Powered Freighter into designind an FCS/ACV hybrid with all the latest automated toys.

We can, in fact, expand into automated/min-crew super-cargo zepps.

Mr Bean wrote:Hmm this brings up a point as technicly both Pezook and I have a right to claim exclusive rights to Zalbania on behalf of the citizens who we've taken in.

If they retained their Zalbanian citizenship and formed a government in exile and then granted authority, perhps, but if they've been absorbed into UKB citizenry then they've got no real authority to bargain away the sovereignty of their former land, craphole though it may be.

I do think that their should be some sort of watchful eye over the area, or it will become a haven for pirates and other nefarious types.

PeZook wrote:Hmm...so, how many heirs did you bring into this world, Coyote?

Too many. It's not going to be an element in the story, it was just done basically to pick on myself and provide moments of awkward comedy.

Hmm, the reforming of FUNGAL into FUN indeed left Zablania in a legal vacuum.

Since the conference is ongoing, can we all decide that it's a sealed practice range/waste dump observed by FUN? The FUN can effectively administer Zablania; it has bordering states with ports and so on to control it and rapidly react to any activity there.

I didn't recall Zablania's citizens forming a government in exile or anything like that, so I presume it's facilities are gone.

Coyote wrote:
If they retained their Zalbanian citizenship and formed a government in exile and then granted authority, perhps, but if they've been absorbed into UKB citizenry then they've got no real authority to bargain away the sovereignty of their former land, craphole though it may be.

I do think that their should be some sort of watchful eye over the area, or it will become a haven for pirates and other nefarious types.

All it would take is one of them to renounce their refugee status granted by the UKB and claim Zalbania in their own right and they would have a case for the land. Never mind how useless said land is. Just because they accepted the offer of citizenship does not mean they forever gave up their Zalbanian citizenship... unless the country in question made them do it as a pre-requisite for citizenship, we do have dual citizenship here on Old earth after all.

It's not like the Shadow Empire and it's Diamond mines, when Zalbania went kaboom it's oil industry went with it, and we are still a hundred years away from the cost of rebuilding it's industry to get at it's oil as being economically viable.


*Edit, let me remind you during the Zalbania Robo-Revolt the country was heavily damaged. Between Sheppard, Beowulf and myself I don't believe their's anything with intact roof and walls anywhere on the island. Your talking about Napam and other Incendiary weaponry, Fuel Air-bombs and a few hundred kilo-tons of conventional bombs. Plus the self-destruction of the robots themselves. There's nothing left of the island but ash, cratres and giant debris fields that used to be cities.

Indeed. [@ Stas' Zablania thing]

Awww... Stas, thank you! Erkanoplanes make the bestest of presents!

EDIT:

Also, the wastelands of Blastification are very rich in oil and I am using those abandoned desecrated factories and facilities of that postapocalyptic hole for my uses! Petrol... oil... Black Gold... GASOLINE!

Shroom Man 777 wrote: Also, the wastelands of Blastification are very rich in oil and I am using those abandoned desecrated factories and facilities of that postapocalyptic hole for my uses! Petrol... oil... Black Gold... GASOLINE!

Considering the number of people we have in the world now(620 million counting Saddamstain and Terra Libertia) we have roughly six major oil producing countries, ten moderate oil producing countries, and three know large oil fields of Bear's land... Oil probably is at the five dollars a barrel mark... if that.


More like Black Limestone

So what of Zablania? Can we all agree on an International Mandate to adminiter the territory be given to FUN nations, say, for 20 years?

Mr Bean wrote:Considering the number of people we have in the world now(620 million counting Saddamstain and Terra Libertia) we have roughly six major oil producing countries, ten moderate oil producing countries, and three know large oil fields of Bear's land... Oil probably is at the five dollars a barrel mark... if that.


More like Black Limestone

Also, I don't know about everyone else, but I'm trying to keep my oil consumption to a low trickle. Even though oil is plentiful, I'm still mandating biodiesel-hybrid plug-ins as much as possible.

Coyote wrote: Also, I don't know about everyone else, but I'm trying to keep my oil consumption to a low trickle. Even though oil is plentiful, I'm still mandating biodiesel-hybrid plug-ins as much as possible.

So four dollars a barrel, see Oil's not going to be a huge money-maker in our world since we know and trust in Peak Oil and are already planning ahead for it. For example we are all going Nuclear rather than Oil power plants, same with most transports.

As for Zablania, the UKB will treat it as an International Test Range, and if someone builds a military base on there, well then hey free targets.

Mr Bean wrote:

Shroom Man 777 wrote: Also, the wastelands of Blastification are very rich in oil and I am using those abandoned desecrated factories and facilities of that postapocalyptic hole for my uses! Petrol... oil... Black Gold... GASOLINE!

Considering the number of people we have in the world now(620 million counting Saddamstain and Terra Libertia) we have roughly six major oil producing countries, ten moderate oil producing countries, and three know large oil fields of Bear's land... Oil probably is at the five dollars a barrel mark... if that.


More like Black Limestone

Which makes it amusing as I have gone into the electric Car bussines enmass. The planet is so far swimming in fossile fueels right now, but hey, gotta think ahead. . Would rather save all that oil for big things like ships, planes, etc, and keep the civilians in nice clean Electric Cars, wouldn't ya say?

On another note, Has anyone decided what "Q" is going to do for this years big trick thingine? For that matter.. should we appoint somone as "Q" maybe someonme NOT playing the game for a better bit of randomness?

I hesitate to make a regular Q-trick as part of the game. He might do something every so often, but it shouldn't become the annual outwit the omniscient Gargamel type plot-saw.

I think this is what it is-- an ongoing experiment in human nature, given power. It is in Q's character so far, and I think the way we've portrayed him fucking with us is in character.

Here on SDN we like to gripe about the state of the world, so Q puts us to the test, betting that we succumb to violent (or at least paranoid) human nature and make alliances (maybe even irrational ones) and go at each others' throats despite having no actual reasons to do so (ie, we manufacture our own crises to satisfy primal urges).

But yearly, Q-manufactured social hurdles make it artificial, and gives us someone to band against, which throws the experiment.

Coyote wrote:
But yearly, Q-manufactured social hurdles make it artificial, and gives us someone to band against, which throws the experiment.

The crises to date have been the Megafauna Q added to our world, we've armed most ships against them and aggressively hunted them down for the most part, but they are not done with. The Zalbania robot-Massacre and as of yet nothing.

Both were world crises to see if we would band together, they wee in retrospect tests to see if we would unite to face a common foe, which we did, but only long enough to destroy said foe, then we split into our separate camps.

But there is a way, and we don't need Q for it.

I concur with Bean and Coyote. Q is additional for anyone to RP, but routine Acts of Q should not be enacted, much less become a mandatory part of hte game controlled by a random person.

Stas Bush wrote:I concur with Bean and Coyote. Q is additional for anyone to RP, but routine Acts of Q should not be enacted, much less become a mandatory part of hte game controlled by a random person.

Especially since, at this point we've demonstrated a willingness to band together in the face of group adversity, only to retreat to our lands when the crisis has passed-- so nothing more is proven with, say, zombies or asteroids or whatever.

We (and Q) "learn" more by finding out what happens when we have idle time to get in each other's faces, or if we come across something a bit more morally ambiguous.

Acts of Q now mightnot even be acts of Q, but natural occurances to be observed. What do we do if our sworn enemy is suffering a major outbreak of Ebola, for example?

Also, things that already exist-- if we hunt down the magafauna, will animal-rights types protest? What about the dangers of overfishing? Etc.

And take that, time to finally use those three General's. Who's feeding the Sultan cash to buy heavy arms? How will the ISCA react to a Warlord attempting to join? And what happens when a side in a three way civil war asks you for direct intervention?

Cool plotline.

Personally, considering the backstories of those warlords, I say we prop Alexander (so 1 OMSK SC vote there). He's kinda like the best guy there. The other two are heavy on religion, while Alex is just a good fighter and a common warlord-general.

With his power, authority and charisma, we might as well take over Libertia, ending that crime- and war-ridden madness once and for all! For a greater peace and security!

I'm off to sleep, but my will shall be one with the OMSK and the SC remains functional, especially as I've cast my vote already.

My Spetznaz can protect Alexander and his arrival; I have also locked down the OMSK capital center for greater security of our Emergency Summit.

I think most people know how to RP me already

P.S. So a huge war can start around early-mid 2010. I'm optimistic about the power of the OMSk, especially as we already have a strongman there, but still that would be a huge undertaking if we actually go through with it.

Hey, Bean, can you point me to where those warlords are in our info threads? I want to look them over and maybe do some shopping for a counter-offer!

On the topic of Zablania: Given there is no government there, I think it would fall upon the nations who intervened to decide the ultimate fate. Syndromia attacked Zoria, but nobody let him go in an annex it. It was divided amongst those who attacked. While there was no occupation in Zablania, I feel we should nonetheless use that precedent and any future use should be decided by the combination of MESS, OMSK, and the FUN. To that end, the only agreed upon use was as a nuclear waste dumping ground.

Therefore, should the UKB simply "declare" they are going to use Zablania for their own purposes in the game, it will be meet with the strongest condemnation of the MESS, and we would call upon the FUN to offer their own condemnation of what would be a naked land-grab on behalf of the UKB. We would further call upon their fellow OMSK members to restrain their fellow nation from such an act.

Regarding Libertia and the OMSK alliance: As I said before, any one nation or power bloc attempting to "pacify" Terra Libertia would be seen as a power grab by other nations most likely. So if you were to go through with this, you can expect international outcry at your agressive acts to try to oppress the people of Terra Libertia, just because they didn't fall under the banner of your chosen Warlord. Such a thing would not be allowed to stand, and could lead to a naval quarentine of Terra Libertia to prevent your arms from reaching that land. So tread carefully, OMSK. The MESS isn't going to allow you to annex the people of Terra Libertia via your proxy warlord, and we would certainly hope the rest of the international community feels the same way.

On another note, I'm going to wrap up the MESS Summit. We'll just pretend it didn't actually take a year, and this is just how long it took for transcripts to be released or something along those lines.

EDIT: Oh and Stas, since you sent your Spetsnaz to Atlantis during the International Conference, there is a possibility someone noticed some mysterious activity around the airport by Red Technocracy military aircraft. Or if the UKB attempted to close it off, it would be equally alarming since such a thing should not be happening on Atlantis, least of all during a gathering of world leaders.

So I'd leave it to you and Bean to decide what happened. Remember, there would still be aircrews and members of delegations going back and forth to their aircraft, so expecting some kind of total secrecy in your transfer is unrealistic. Someone would have noticed something odd and begin to wonder. The only question is which route you took.

Coyote wrote:Hey, Bean, can you point me to where those warlords are in our info threads? I want to look them over and maybe do some shopping for a counter-offer!

Page 7,8 of the MK II thread

But just for you here's all three

Mr Bean wrote:BBC Photo:Lord Ramsley reviews the Son's of the Faith militia soldiers

Mr Bean wrote:"BBC File Photo of Supreme General Alexander of Terra Libertia"


BBC reports

Mr Bean wrote:BBC File Photo Sultan Ibrahim II reviews Libertian Troops on his birthday[/i]



"...Since officially claiming nation-wide power street crime in the Capital has dropped to nearly nothing as Sultan Ibrahim keeps his troops busy by patrolling up and down city streets looking for law breakers or simply harrasing Liberatopians out late at night. 14 Crimes now are worthy of the death sentance and all new criminals are speedily given trials the day after arrest then taken directly to a place of execution, normally firing squad for most offenses, but if the prisoner deny his guilt they will instead behead him or in extreme cases stone them to death."
BBC reports